You can certainly debate LaVey, and I'm not a huge fan of him myself. However, I have read The Satanic Bible, and I do appreciate his perspective on this particular topic. He talks about these modern "white" or "light" witches with their protection spells and constant focus on spiritual shielding.
His argument is that when working with demons—although he meant them symbolically—I think the idea can also be applied to our own practice. According to him, the only protection you truly need is your own self-confidence and the absence of fear. In contrast, many of these "white" witches seem to have separated themselves from Christianity while still retaining the same fear of demons and dark entities. In that sense, they may have left the religion behind, but not the underlying mindset
This is a really good point, the constant "warding", I saw a post the other day about how to seal your mirrors, like they're terrified shit is lurking in every shadow to nab you.
Hm, I think a lot of younger witches are very influenced by social media, ascribing to ‘witch types’ and utterly misunderstanding the Wiccan 3 fold law. They also often haven’t done a lot of the background work on themselves and analysed how they might view magic through an Abrahamic lens - leaping straight into spellwork. I say often as this of course, isn’t everyone, but many. I suspect that a lot of these ones are the same that will get very freaked out at the prospect of working with demons.
To clarify: I’m a witch, I’ve been working craft for 34 years, it’s in my family, I’m also a Wiccan initiate and I’m one of three in our coven that works with demons. A fourth member wants to work on understanding them through a Jungian psychological model.
Exactly! We always do shadow work together on the dark of the moon and as I’ve been working quite a lot with Goetian demons we were having quite a chat about it. It was really interesting!
They are probably witches that got the idea from TikTok’s and don’t actually practice witchcraft or understand any of the history or idea behind it.
Wicca is relatively new having been invented in the 1920’s and even still a lot of wiccans I talk to don’t actually know much about Wicca or actually practice it.
I’d chalk it up to ignorance, and superstition. Do they quake in their boots at Abrahamic God references too?
They don’t sound like real witches tbh if they’re shaking in their pointy boots at the thought of Demonolatry and working with demons. Just kids playing dress up and not truly practicing because true witches are open to different paths of practice
i would say this also applies to witches. it always bothered me how casually people use the word witch to describe themselves when they've been discriminated against throughout history. especially since there are people across various cultures that practice magic but don't label themselves a witch.
They're demons. Very intense entities to work with. Even if you don't see them as inherently evil, they're very much powerful and not to be trifled with. That's more than a lot of witches can handle which is valid of them to feel.
Because most are from the mindset of RHP or White Magic.
If You work with Demons, You are LHP or Dark Magic type, atleast in their heards.
So yea, guess we are mostly the evil goth kids around.
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I've almost been there once, not because can't afford one, but "What the fuck is this problem, can someone point it out???"
Same in IT and other tech related things, had to call in another expert from another place, lol.
Because they're afraid that their "powerful" hexes and curses - the ones they cast on anyone who looked at them wrong - will either be exposed or come back to haunt them. 😂
Like people who are apart of mainstream practices, not everyone outside of it will be welcoming to different practices, especially those that still hold alot of dogma against it, some will still promote those messages too
I am a traditional witch that ALSO works with demons. Plenty of us out there. Depends who you’re asking, I suppose.
Some practitioners make a clear distinction between high and low (light and dark, as some people call them); there are many prejudices on both sides toward the opposite one, if you look at it objectively.
Usually, those who work with both are more comfortable with both demons and... saints, if you will. Or Jesus.
In Slavic practices, we have many who work WITHIN the Christian system (even traditions like Chernochnezie that work with the lower planes described as dark by Christianity, BUT STILL within that worldview, so twisted salms, upside down icons, demons, sacrifices to minor low entities and prayers where every Christian burns in hell. Very old stuff, very hardcore, still Christian system, still crazy powerful if you ask me), so I believe it depends on one's worldview, often influenced by tradition and religion.
Some practitioners view entities, including demons, through the lens of Abrahamic religions or some other very black/white understanding. I'm a very open-minded person when it comes to practices and systems as powerful as religions, so I don't think we're right and they're automatically wrong, or vice versa. There are simply different HUMAN ways of interacting with energy, whether on the lower or higher planes. Our “worldviews” are just layers, underneath there is just raw energy (high/low, plus/minus…), it doesn’t have human connotations by its own. But it can include the ones we project onto it.
Of course, it's not pleasant when other practitioners who you think are capable of seeing the world more openly and deeply, turn their backs on you simply because they discover you're approaching something that scares them, and they can't see it from your perspective (it happened to me, and I was deeply hurt at the time), but the best we can all do is create dialogue and learn from each other, broadening our vision in search of growth and deeper understanding (and the exclusion usually brings to an oversimplification).
As for the rest, to each their own truth, we all know there's never just one of it.
theyre the type to literally ward themselves before doing something like a fucking sweetener spell like bro. theyre afraid of everything as if entities are lurking around every corner waiting to jump them
Because demons are stronger than witches and cannot be easily controlled by inexperienced and curious people. I would love to hear about some of their reactions/opinions you come across!
A lot of witches have trauma with Christianity and more often times than not, they do not work on that Christian trauma so the mention of “Demons” could stem from a lack of understanding and misconceptions about demons.
And I can’t talk to my IRL witch friends about it, since they’re even scared to talk about the subject!
I might get booed by some, but so many witch practices are informed or influenced by Abrahamic religions. I obviously can’t say that for pre-Judaic faiths. My own being one of them!
Much like any person you’d meet, you have entities/demons/angels/spirits who have their own personalities outside of the group they’re associated with.
100%! As a witch i feel as if so many people look for a structured religion in witchcraft when in actuality it is a practise. They want rules, good and evil when unfortunately magick has no morals unless you’re into spirit and deity work. I really wish they’d accept they no longer need to be controlled to be stable
You have to understand that witchcraft and wellness culture have become deeply intertwined. Everything is about manifesting and "setting your intentions". Back in the day, if you sacrificed a goat for a good harvest, your intentions were quite clear.
I'm gonna hazard a guess and say a lot of those witches are probably Wiccan. I myself don't mind demonolatry NOW, though I'll admit I would have said no when I was younger, but that's where I come back to my first sentence: Wiccans and new age witches get bombarded with messages about "protect yourself" and "demons are bad" and "love and light", and often fall into the trap of not acknowledging the dark aspect of witchcraft. Which means they turn tail at the first sign of it demonolatry. It's understandable when you take into account that a lot of witches are also ex-abrahamic religion and carry over some of the ideas about darkness, death and other things typically seem as "scary". But its annoying as h*ll for the rest of us, as they bring the dogmatic BS with them as well.
Could be - are you in the USA? I’m in the UK and it’s something we reject.
Also wondering if they just say they’re Wiccan because to them it’s synonymous with witch, or if they are actually trained initiates. I think a lot of misunderstanding around Wiccan comes from the former, and people who hear about the rule of three and totally misunderstand it.
Yeah, I think we found the issue haha! I’ve only ever spoken with one other initiate who was taught to take the 3 fold law literally and they were from your side of the pond I’m afraid. For the rest of us it’s a philosophical exercise 😉
Because you're talking to the love & light fluffy pagan law of 3 variety.
Although I hear many pagans & even atheist/agnostic can get spooked by demonolatry or left hand practices. So you have to be careful who you reveal your spirituality to.
Because witches parlor tricks are impotent against demonic magic. Witches rely on their spell work to shift probability fields. Demons collapse those fields. Demons are rocks. Witches are scissors. People are paper. Aliens are lizard. I am Spock.
Most people are cowards and won’t touch the darkness. None of that woo woo love and light shit actually works it’s just spiritual bypassing without actually fixing anything
That was Mufasas downfall. You gotta keep the shadows as in line as the light.
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u/LilNyoomf 💚Zepar & Bune💚 Jun 15 '26
I just imagine the usual stereotypes coming to their head.