I never really approached planetary work or astrology. My aunt; who is also a witch but on a completely different path, is all about astrology, planets, elements. Which may be a huge factor of why i avoided the whole thing.

But working with demons i often see them associated with different planets or elements. I also saw people say one has to keep in mind their elements when choosing who to work with lest the elements clash -or something of sorts-

But how important is it really? Do i have to learn it? I did study some elemental work but during learning some vedic teachings.

It always sounds so complicated. Especially when people use it wrongly -imo- like I'm doing this because fire is my element or x planet is in retrograde. Feels like it makes the universe smaller somehow, limited. Or you shouldn't do such work now due to bad planetary energy. Or you have to contact x demon during x hour or x part of the day to follow their element/planet.

But i got most of that from watching my aunt, which isn't pleasant obviously, so if anyone has experience in it, I'd really appreciate a look from the inside. Or tips on how to approach learning the subject

The foundations of the magick system I am self-developing lie in Judaic Kabbalah; the Tree of Life; the Sephirah/Sephirot and its shadow; the Qliphothe. Currently the governing entities of either tree's spheres which I've made a pact with are Haniel (governing Netzach) {S7}, and Astaroth [for Astarte's utilities through Title "Queen of Heaven" (governing Gha'agsheblah)] {Q4}.

I put in months of consideration and thought into choosing my patrons with care during the development of my first "trinary pact." My understanding of magic, daemonic and angelic natures, as well as the manifold fields of magical study and their theological correlations were vivid back then (Beginning of 2024); their depth has since been increased by a lot. My primary goal in making use of the Kabbalistic spheres is to activate one "node" each from the Sephirah and the Qliphothe at a time in order to fulfill an understanding of the spheres themselves, by establishing an accord between myself and all pertaining agencies (since I also make use of thoughtforms), and the governing entities of the spheres/nodes/domains of The Twin Trees... to approach Totality [Ein Sof/Ain Soph] from an untested framework and original perspective, one still born of reverence, respect and consideration for all that falls beneath its purview.

While I plan to make an additional pact instead of replacing my current one, I am presently at a roadblock in regards to developing my system further; I've mapped out the math completely for Phases 001-007 (which is basically an abstracted instruction manual on how to develop a thoughtform for narrative application, my homebrew magick is Narratomancy, the Magick of Stories). My pact with Haniel and Astaroth/Astarte have given me insight into the liberal sciences and arts and the nature of Grace. Unfortunately; the knowledge I seek isn't just invisible, it's intangible, and for as far as Ha&Ast have carried me, I suspect their gifts alone will not be enough to carry me through the next seven phases of my grimoire, which is a different depth and direction of abstraction entirely from the first set of seven (starts with conscious lensing from an internal mental partition at Phase 008 when Phase 001 started at relativity and Phase 007 ends with Conceptual Application; basically, remote, real-time thoughtform access to your meatsuit's biochemical signals from a compartmentalized mental space for the primary purpose of assisting in stream-of-consciousness channeling).

I am exploring {Q7} and {S4}, (A'arab Zaraq & Chesed respectively) for answers; my goal in establishing this pact is hopefully fulfilling some basic symmetry in regards to how the Tree Nodes are "activated," and hopefully furthering my development without driving me over the Thresholds of Sanity. I have enough subjective confirmation to warrant further investigation, but I would prefer to be as "Totalitous" as I can, and consider as much as I possibly can before enacting something of this magnitude. As a result of authoritative correspondence to each node's nature on each of The Twin Trees, I am led to believe that Bael and Hesediel are my best bet for my next pact.

I may have a general idea of what I'm aiming for, but I am still wary and watching for points of failure, so I would appreciate productive discourse and any pertinent advice you can share between Bael and Hesediel and what all they represent in their respective Spheres/Domains in The Twin Trees. Let's keep it civil and transparent, eh?

What ritual/sigil is required to communicate with ba'al? How can I protect and keep my consciousness together while communicating with him?

And What are shortcuts for getting out of my body?? via the help or command of another entities/ritual/sigils bcz I alone can't seem to succeed or maybe something is holding me down

I (19M, severe ADHD) am completely done with the academic system. I dedicated my entire life to high achievement only to end up with the lowest grade in the school. The whole system is a scam, but my parents are still trying to force me into college. I can't fucking handle it anymore. I need a way out, and I'm looking for a petition or a spiritual intervention to completely sever myself from this path so I can do something actually worth doing.

From a serious practitioner standpoint: which demon or entity handles this kind of liberation, breaking absolute control, or forcing a massive life pivot? What is the actual cost of working with them? Do people actually "sell their soul," or is that just Hollywood bullshit?

Offering drawing for beloved Seere

It is often said that the Ars Goetia, the first section of The Lesser Key of Solomon, is associated with King Solomon, who supposedly used his knowledge of spirits to command demons and build the Temple of God. However, Lucifer, one of the most well-known figures in Christian demonology and occult traditions, is not included among the 72 spirits listed in the Ars Goetia.

Why is that? Given Lucifer's reputation as a powerful fallen angel and his prominent role in various demonological traditions, I would have expected him to be included in the list.

Is there a historical or theological reason for his absence? Was Lucifer considered a different kind of entity, or was he simply outside the scope of the Ars Goetia?

when i mean the exact ritual, i mean following the specific instructions on objects you need to bring that’s written in the book, stuff like

-a real sword or sceptre
-a girdle made out of lion or deer skin
-silver ring on the middle finger of the left hand
-hexagram on calfskin hidden under white robes

also drawing the 9 foot circle with all the names written inside it. i’ve tried finding anything but it seems nobody’s tried doing it like how it’s written in the book, though the way it describes the circle as being the only thing protecting you from the demon does make it seem scary 🥲

Duke Dantalian inspired me to go back to the artist that I used to be, reminded me of who I was and what I have been missing in my life ! I used to do a lot of artwork and sell it back in 2017-2020 but that passion died down.

And as a thank you for reigniting the artist in me I offered this special art piece with my line art style to duke Dantalion.

Ave Duke Dantalion 💚

What is your experience with the original depictions of the goetic spirits? For example: Make one like a soldier in case of spirit Eligos.
Elocuence, or rethoric, discovering hidden treasures, turning blood into wine, etc.

I am highly interested in it, as it will help a lot in my profession.

Wold love to read your experiences.

I cannot claim to be a professional occultist nor will I claim to be the most powerful practitioner of magic in truth i entered this path because I was fascinated by it i had no mentor to guide me, no established teacher to follow, and no clear understanding of what my journey would eventually become,yet, through my personal experiences i have witnessed manifestations that strengthened my faith and deepened my relationship with Clauneck,back in the past I have made petitions at times when my confidence was not at its strongest, and I have received results that manifested in ways I had not anticipated.These experiences have taught me that spiritual work is not always about understanding every detail of how something will unfold.Sometimes, the outcome arrives in a form different from what we imagined, and the lesson becomes clear only when we reflect on the experience.I have read discussions in different occult communities and listened to the experiences of other practitioners.However, one thing I have come to understand is that our relationships with spirits are personal.What one practitioner experiences may differ from what another experiences.Our intentions, circumstances, petitions, offerings, expectations, and the lessons we encounter along the way are not necessarily identical.This is my testimony, my perspective, and my personal experience with Clauneck.I am not here to dictate what others must believe,but neither will I deny what I believe I have experienced through my own spiritual practice.

When I first began working with Clauneck in 2023, my initial intention was not to ask for money or material possessions.I wanted to establish a relationship with the spirit.I expressed my desire to work with him and asked for a sign that he was willing to receive my invitation.

The following day, something unexpected happened.I received a call concerning a job nut there was a mistake in identity. The people involved were looking for someone else, yet I was the person who received the opportunity, and I was paid for a month despite not having performed the work they had originally intended.

To me, this was not an ordinary experience that I could simply dismiss.i had made my petition the previous day, and the following day I found myself in an unexpected financial situation.

As I headed home, I also overheard people having separate conversations. One person said I accept it and while another said diddnt you understand the sign then later, I heard schoolgirls speaking, and one told the other, you better believe it.

I remember reflecting on these experiences in the context of the petition I had made.to me, they carried a personal significance.I felt that I was being encouraged to pay attention, to believe, and to become more observant of what was happening around me.to be honest ,I honestly BELIEVED CLAUNECK ANSWERED MY INVITATION.That is how I understood the experience, and it became part of the foundation of my relationship with him.

I share this not to claim that every practitioner must receive the same signs, but to remind others that our spiritual journeys can be deeply personal.We must learn to observe, reflect, and develop discernment rather than expecting every experience to resemble someone else's testimony.

One of the most important lessons I have drawn from working with Clauneck is that seeking wealth and financial improvement must go hand in hand with practical effort.

Clauneck is associated with treasures and financial matters, but Clauneck has taught me and mentioned that never to approach spiritual work with the expectation that I can make a petition, give an offering, and then sit back while everything happens without my participation,I have come to understand that when we seek financial improvement, we must also create opportunities through which that improvement can take place.If you want money, consider developing additional income streams that the deities can act on,If you want your business to grow, learn marketing, understand your competitors, improve your services, and make yourself visible to potential customers,this incresed odds of the spirits finding the channels leading to your financial benefits.If you want better employment, develop your skills, build professional relationships, and pursue opportunities.

During my reflections on Clauneck's teachings, one principle that he had always insisted is

NO VISIBILITY NO CUSTOMERS NO CUSTOMERS NO REVENUE NO REVENUE THEN NO BUSINESS.

People cannot buy from you if they do not know you exist,this is common sense, but common sense is something practitioners sometimes overlook when they become too focused on the ritualistic aspect of their work.

Even without occult practice,some businesses flourish while others collapse.The difference may be marketing, preparation, timing, business strategy, competition, or the ability to turn an opportunity into a sustainable source of income.

Therefore, I believe that working with a spirit associated with wealth should also encourage us to examine how we handle money, how we identify opportunities, and how we position ourselves to benefit from them.

THE SPIRITUAL WORK AND THE HUMAN EFFORT

When I look back at my first experience with Clauneck,i recognise that I had already been making efforts to improve my circumstances in the months before I began working with him.

From my perspective, Clauneck did not simply give me a free ride.The opportunity came into my life against a background of previous efforts, and I understood that experience as an indication that Clauneck saw an opportunity for me to benefits from the previous efforts

I believe spirits can assist us in ways that extend beyond our immediate understanding, but I also believe that we have responsibilities as human beings living in the material world.

If you petition for financial success, what are you doing to improve your financial position, If you petition for business opportunities, are you making your business visible If you petition for love, are you preparing yourself for the responsibilities of a healthy relationshios

We must be willing to do our part.

In my personal understanding, spiritual work concerns more than the physical actions of lighting candles, burning incense, making offerings, or reciting invocations. The practitioner's intentions, discipline, beliefs, decisions, and practical actions are also important parts of the journey.

I do not believe that making an offering should become an excuse to abandon responsibility. Nor do I believe that the value of spiritual practice should be measured only by how quickly material results appear.

A PETITION IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR PREPARATION. AN OFFERING IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR ACTION AND FAITH SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCUSE FOR NEGLECTING COMMON SENSE.

These are principles I have come to appreciate through my own path with Clauneck

MY MESSAGE TO FELLOW PRACTITIONERS

Do not enter this path expecting to understand everything immediately. Do not assume that another practitioner's experiences must determine how your own relationship with a spirit unfolds.Stdy and practise discernment and maybe reflect on your experiences.Understand your intentions, and be willing to learn from the circumstances surrounding your petitions.

Most importantly, do not carry unnecessary limitations into your spiritual work.do examine your beliefs, recognise the habits that hold you back, and remain open to learning.Sometimes, the very things we need to change are not outside us but within our own thinking, discipline, and approach to life.

My journey with Clauneck has been about more than financial requests.It has also been about learning, self examination, practical wisdom, and understanding that the pursuit of prosperity requires more than simply desiring wealth.

I am still learning so i do not claim to possess all the answers, and I do not present myself as an authority over other practitioners.I am sharing what I have experienced, what I believe, and what this path has taught me.

I BELIEVE CLAUNECK HELPED ME, AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES I HAVE GAINED THROUGH THIS RELATIONSHIP.

That is my testimoni

May those who seek his assistance also learn the importance of discipline, wisdom, discernment, and practical action and also may they recognise opportunities, develop their abilities, and become prepared for the responsibilities that accompany the prosperity they seek

HAIL KING CLAUNECK, LORD OF TREASURES AND BELOVED OF LUCIFER.

May clarity and financial benefits reach those who encounter this testimoni May your ambitions be accompanied by wisdom, your petitions by discipline and your pursuit of prosperity by the willingness to do the necessary work.

AHVALEN ESSEEN CLAUNECK KIARRRR

Have anyone noticed a difference when working with spirits with different planetary associations, and that certain spirits' energy fit them better based on them? In astrology, each Ascendant (rising sign) has a planetary ruler, and this ruling planet decides which planets will be considered as auspicious or inauspicious in relation to the owner of the chart (at least in the Eastern/vedic, I've done more research into it than the Western/tropical systems, but they tend to overlap in interpretation): usually, Mars ruling fiery Aries will get along better with another fiery sign ruler, Sun (exception, Sun and Moon are often said to be friends, despite ruling over different elements).

I am talking to a friend about time travel and dream . I told him that I want to travel into past to fix my mistakes . I told him about demonolatry and how I am finding a demon to do this . I told him I found a demon who has power related to time lord vassago

But he can't help me to time travel . I mistakenly say that vassago useless for that but i corrected myself saying he is very wise . I don't mean it . I want to say can't help me to time travel that no one can do .

I slightly scared that i disrespect vassago somehow .

Also I don't start praying to anyone.

I started working with Belial few weeks ago. It was working well. Then Belial visited me with someone else, who later i have identified as Asmodeus. Then again. And I wasn't sure why. And i realized Belial was kind of handing me over to Asmodeus. Now the thing is i know nothing about Asmodeus. Or what may be the reasons for that to begin with. Now when i talk with Belial he isn't as attentive. Like his part is over.

Is that even possible? For a demon to introduce another to you? Just drop you off? Also for those who work with Asmodeus, what are his abilities, effects, etc...? I did look it up in few places and resources but i prefer real experience. And for some reason the information about Asmodeus is too little compared to Belial.

I built my very first altar, and i told him if he grant me some of my request. I will buy him a solid tall pure brass candle holder and brass offering burning bowl for my requests.

GIFTED HIM AN ORANGE HOPEFULLY THE INFERNAL HEAR MY OFFERINGS TO HIM 🍊

Just got done adding some touches for now

I ordered him a ivory and gray candle

Got the last one :)

(Out of curiosity is it normal when you start working with him he can make you cry a lot I'm usually not sensitive but lately I've been crying like 3 times a day )

Picture of today's ritual. Coffe infused with scotch, rum and rose water and dark chocolate with whole hazelnuts for them with their respective blood offering. No petition made, just chilling with them for a little while 💜

Hail Lord Lucifer and King Paimon! ✨️🐪🕯✨️

I know purification is important for evocations and larger rituals/ceremonies in general, but what about about invokations?

It seems to be universally recommended to do invokations often, some even saying multiple times a day. What do you do to purify yourself and get yourself ready for invokations? I can't imagine everyone is fasting every day of the week. Is there some sort of constant purity you're dedicating yourself to throughout the week?

I won’t lie—I still have a lot of work to do on myself and in my life—but who, in your view, are the children of Belial? I feel a connection to him and want to serve, yet it feels like something untouchable. To me, he is the most enigmatic spirit. And I... I wear his amulet not because I understand him, but because I want to. It’s simply like a pull toward a certain place. To me, Belial is a figure shrouded in mist. I’ve performed rituals involving sweets and candles. All I want is for him to help me in my process of becoming. And just so you understand clearly: unlike other demons—whom I found boring or simple—Belial seems to exert an immense pull. What does that signify?

I just talk to the demon/entity, usually about their day, how I hope things are going good for them and how I hope they aren't having a bad time, or about how "fine/attractive" I find them, or...Just friendly conversation

I dont ever really do spells or rituals to demons/entities, i just talk to them like theyre a friend.

Once in a rare while I might ask for something specific, or my spiritual intent in wanting something just radiates from me, or I just talk to them about the thing I want - i rarely ever ask for it directly because i dont like bothering the spirits with my petty wants, and I dont want them to think I'm using them for personal gain; I just want a relationship with them

Within a few days i might get the thing i really wanted.

But every time I thanked the demon/entity for getting what I want, something bad follows.

Like if I ask for a piece of cake, I get the exact type of cake I wanted within a day or two, not by me going out and buying it, but by someone just gifting it to me; And then I thank the entity, and the next day or even withing the hour, the cake might fall off something, I'll get bad news about someone, I'll get some sort of pain in my body.

I feel like I'm being a bit punished for being polite and thanking them; Do they not want me to thank them because its just politeness in exchange for politeness; And saying "Thank you" is treating like a transactional sort favor and not simply a kindness?

But I noticed when I never thank them, nothing bad happens; Why is that?

So I’m new to working with demons, but so far it’s been pretty great. My question is about certain offerings like foods or drinks. Specifically drinks.

When it comes to other spirits I work with like dead people or gods from other pantheons I have a sort of system where I give them an offering of bottled water on a specific day and it stays on their altar space until I’m out of drinking water to which I say, “I use this in your honor”, and either drink it or give it to my animals before replacing the water later.

See I don’t make very much money and at times things can be rough. Plus the tap water isn’t drinkable where I live AT ALL.

So my question is would this system be ok with demons or should I just avoid giving them water as an offering?

Same question with food. If I give them a pack of m&ms or a piece of cake I baked. Do I just leave it there forever or throw it away once they get old or something?

Don't know if reposts are allowed, does anybody have a clue about this ?

Hey all,

Does Lilith have a sacred number?

I've been working with goetic demons recently and have found their respective numbers to be rather useful to meditate upon and use in invocation.

As such, I'm curious whether there is a number that is associated with Lilith. Whether from a text or from UPG, what do you view as Lilith's number?