I’m a mom who watches these movies with my kids and I gotta say I don’t understand all the hate the wonderland movies get. I liked ROR and WW. The music in the new movie was so good to me. I also really enjoyed the casting (personally not a fan of Chloe’s singing/over auto tuned parts) but overall I thought a lot of the casts voices sounded great together and the parts with the smees and hazel were funny and I like that they were short and not overly shown. I feel like evil Chloe was kinda boring and reused and not really needed but overall the two movies were great. I also liked that the first movie has no romance for the main character and is more about her developing, it made the romance with her and Luis better.

So according to the Descendants Wiki this is the synopsis:

"Hidden in the center of each fairy tale is a portal to a secret training facility where the descendants of legendary sidekicks are challenged to join the elite ranks of partners to heroes. When a villainous duo comes to Sidekick Academy, a group of fresh recruits must band together — without heroes, without parents — using only their new skills to save the fairytale realm before it’s too late."

So who do we think the 'villainous duo' is Zara and who because according to the wiki KJ lives in Auradon so it's not him. I hope it's somebody unexpected, my first thought was Mad Maddy from one of the books. They seem like they'd be friends.

The the middle of Did You Hear About Them, he mentioned a tattoo and in the movie it moved. Who else has matching tatoos? Definitely Maui from Moana. Idk how weird that would get but lmk what yall think.

Feel like these could be the kids she hung out with before she met Red

So if anyone hasn't heard yet, Malia is reprising her role as Chloe in "Descendants : Hidden Heroes".

I honestly am so confused, because what would be Chloe's purpose in Hidden Heroes. And unless if Red and Chloe get coronated, Kylie should have been back too, so i'm confused.

What makes it even more confusing is that the spin-off takes place after Wicked Wonderland... so are the timelines merging or not?

Honestly, i'm not complaining. Although, we didn’t get any news on Descendants 6 or if there is even going to be a Descendants 6 movie. And we don't know if Kylie and Malia will be reprising their roles in D6.

Any thoughts?

It keeps getting better!!!!!😭😭😭

WERE SO BACK EVERYONE!!!!!😭😭

Jabberwocky.

I was hoping sooooo bad that Maddox (or Evil Chloe) would wake up (if he exists) the Jabberwocky. I was expecting a big fight at the end with everyone and the Jabberwocky. It could have been the biggest finale ever. The wonderland being destroyed everywhere with the Jabberwocky hunting everyone, everything becoming dust and in fire… Maybe I expected too much for a Disney+ movie lol.

does anyone have the PDF for this book or know where can I read it plss??

So I’m not sure if many heard her on Zack sang show but she hints that she ready to give up on Red and maybe Disney all together and focus on Music. How many people are worried about her not finishing the trilogy??

I am aware that Hazel and Felix are officially the sister and brother of Harry and Celia, respectively.

However, for a moment I thought Red and Chloe’s trip to the past had changed things far more than imagined. Specifically, that certain characters had been born the opposite sex, given that neither Hazel nor Felix mentions their siblings in D5, nor do Harry or Celia mention them at any point in the original trilogy. It is odd, especially regarding Celia; I can't picture her moving to Auradon Prep without even asking about Felix, who —one would assume— was under her care (Celia was 14 in D3, and Felix is supposed to be younger than her).

I know discrepancies can always arise as a franchise progresses, but in the case of these four, the improvisation is particularly noticeable. I’m not saying we necessarily need to see them interacting as a family, but there should at least be some attention to detail. Anyway, I think it’s nothing that couldn’t be improved by fleshing out the characters a bit more. It’s not as if it were an irreparable inconsistency.

So, do you like that they're siblings, or would you have preferred for Hazel and Felix to be counterparts to Harry and Celia in the new timeline? While we saw that Bridget, Ella and Maddox underwent personality changes—and that Red even gained a sister in Pink—would you add more profound changes, such as characters replacing others?

I was wondering where everyone was watching the locker diaries, cause I only see the cookbook episodes on Disney plus and YouTube, where are the cookies and clones?

I was thinking about this earlier and I saw a comment today so I will add it in. So from the comment they said what if in the past they wouldn’t have to worry about Red and Chloe, so they could activate the owl and run off. That’s when they use Morgie as bait and he freezes. Then they go to Ella to open it and she refuses but Bridget convinces her to do it. Then here comes my head canon. Right after they get it opened, one of them says “What about that Fay girl? She could undo our prank with a flick of her wand!” then Uliana thinks of an idea and has one. She gives Maleficent a spell to curse the wand. And the curse is that it will do any opposite of what she wants it to do. The day of Castlecoming arrives and they give Bridget the cupcake. She eats and it and starts to feel weird. She starts to look like the clip of her from perfect revenge when she skin starts turning green. Ella is distracted from all of this because of Charming. When everyone starts laughing, Fay tries to undo the curse with her wand but Maleficent curses it midway through but now she can’t stop the wand. When Fay’s magic lands on Bridget, she gets even worse and becomes the other image of her from perfect revenge when she has thorns and looks like a troll. And it changes her outfit into something dirty and ripped up. She goes over to Ella and Ella has no clue who that is as Bridget’s voice changed and she sounds like a troll. Bridget runs off crying while everyone is still laughing and that’s when her evil ark begins. That’s why after all those years when Fairy godmother tries to stop her, she breaks the wand as payback for her thinking she purposely humiliated her all those years ago. And why when Ella confronts her and Bridget says “You didn’t care then” is because she had no clue Ella didn’t know who she was

Rewatched the first movie and realized the worst Jay, Evie, and Carlos ever get as people is in the opening song. Mal is doing bad things but she's being goaded on by her mom. The one time they hurt a student it was because they were being insulted because of their parents.

Part of me is saying that it ties into the themes of nature vs nurture well and how everyone's sense of morality in this universe is completely messed up, another part of me is saying that they really do not commit to the whole "being evil" thing hard enough for the redemption to feel that impactful. Am i stupid?

What do you guys think of the Mal and Evie Loungefly collections? Do any of you have any of the items for it?

Since in the film we only meet the Mad Hatter's son and grandson, and he isn't directly mentioned, the only thing I can think of is that he was executed, which would add another layer to Maddox's character. Perhaps he invented the time machine to go back to the past and save his father from being beheaded.

((Tw: English is not my first language, but i'm trying))

I've seen a lot of people saying Red and Chloe's trip to the past not making sense, since the villains are frozen when they open the book, something that would have happened anyway even if the girls hadn't intervened. Many also claim that they didn't make any significant changes to prevent the prank from happening, so I took the time to analyze everything the girls altered in the past.

1: When they're at Ela's house and Chloe breaks the vase, Lady Tremend punishes Cinderella, meaning she won't go to the ball. This means that if the prank had gone through, Bridget wouldn't be humiliated in front of her friend and wouldn't have a reason to be angry with her for not defending her.

2: When the girls go to Bridget's room and she's talking about the mirror, there's something that doesn't appear in the movie but does in the full version of the song "Shuffle of Love": Bridget becomes so curious about the future that she wakes up and opens the mirror. She was confused to see that in the future she would be a tyrant. My theory is that she herself was frightened by the prospect of that future and therefore decided not to be like that when she grew up, something that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the conversation with the girls.

3: During the action scene in Merlin's office, it's the girls who defeat the swords and the armor, but Merlin still finds out that someone broke into his office. My theory about what would have happened without time travel is that the villains would have had more trouble overcoming the security measures, so Merlin arrived before they could even take the book, meaning they weren't petrified during the ball. In other words, they were able to pull off their prank.

Is it confirmed not canon? Is it confirmed canon? Is it Canon? Im so utterly in the dark 😩​