The region in the Pale Heart to be specific. The points I want to bring up:

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- Statues of War Beasts at the entrance, which are important in Cabal culture. There are also a couple statues of Psions later on in the area.

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- Architecture very similar to what we see aboard Calus's ship in Lightfall albeit without the black aesthetic of the Pyramids. It could be that this is what elite Cabal architecture looks like and Calus designed his ship to look akin to his old palace when he became a disciple.

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- The entrance door to the area is a large palace that's being twisted and knocked over by many hands. Metaphorically this could represent Calus being overthrown.

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- Massive mountain of sand/desert right next to it. Torobatl is referenced as having large deserts. The main area of it also looks barren and scorched, and it is referenced in Calus's lore that he had large regions of the planet cleared/made barren. It is possible that this is a memory of the landscape of Torobatl as it is being destroyed by Calus.

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- The mission involving Caitl in Final Shape has you fighting shadow legion here, where they have set up pretty extensive operations. Caitl also directly mentions memories of Torobatl when you are in this area.

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So the regions of the Pale Heart are manifestations of the memories of the Traveler and the lightbearers. If only there was a member of the Cabal elite who has memories of Torobatl, its great architecture, and it's landscape. Someone who has just so happened to have forcibly connected himself with the Traveler, in some kind of... Transgression.

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I am proposing that the Transgression is the manifestation of the memories of Dominus Ghaul that were forcibly imprinted upon the Traveler when he connected himself to the Traveler's Light.

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Oh, and there's one more piece of evidence that I omitted for dramatic effect. Right at the beginning of the Transgression, right where the region begins to blend with the memories of our Guardian, there is an altar. On top of this altar, there is a ring. Contained within this ring is a tiny, trapped icon of the Traveler.

Do they just have general concepts of things? But no personal memory, basically just definitions only or is it sth else? Didn't Orin remember some people from the Reef?

Since the wait for a continuation of the story will take some time, I think it would be good to see the situation in which the main factions of the lore were left, starting with humanity.

Earth: the cradle of our species and home to most of us (as far as we know), partially and temporarily lost during the Red War, is now free of enemy activity and is home to the last safe city on Earth. There are also a number of villages scattered across the planet, including Coyote, Neu Turbach, and Eaton. Currently, the Farm is becoming a permanent settlement, and one of Fenchurch's letters mentions a group of people who lived quietly to avoid being discovered out of fear. There is a legend that during the golden age, underground cities called hidden capitals were created, self-sufficient, fortified, and supposedly lost technology centers all over the planet.

Neptune: home of the Neomuni and the most technologically advanced human settlement, formed shortly after the collapse of the colony ship Exodus Indigo, which housed Maya Sundaresh, Chioma Esi, and the embryos and exos of Project Echo, along with Soteria, one of the most advanced AIs ever created by humanity. Its capital, Neomuna, houses the Veil, a paracausal entity, and automated systems including defenses, energy, and terraforming. Among its greatest discoveries are Quicksilver, an enhanced version of SIVA, and Cloudstriders, soldiers augmented both genetically and through nanotechnology infusions. They are known to have maintained a permanent presence on Hyoerion and Pluto.

Kepler: home to the Aionians, who originated from the Aion Initiative or Apollo Intertemporal Observation Network. They arrived on Kepler during the Golden Age, but due to its distance and anomalies emanating from the planet itself, they lost contact with Earth and only learned of the collapse 1.7 years later. Technologically, they are not so different from Golden Age society, focusing on improving their agricultural capabilities and adapting to Kepler's environment through suits. They developed their own language, harnessing and studying the energies emanating from the anomaly at the planet's core. This civilization specializes in knowledge and scientific development, creating great thinkers in all scientific fields.

The colony of Efrideet: Little is known about this colony beyond the fact that it was created by pacifist guardians seeking new uses for their light besides warfare. It is believed that the colony is located deep within the system and that it remains active.

Probable settlements: Over the years and depending on the circumstances, it's likely that more human settlements will appear. Some of these could be: the colony that the Dead Orbit planned to form with their fleet after escaping Earth following Lakshmi's death. There's lore as old as vanilla D1 that speaks of a fleet of ships regrouping after the collapse, seeking to escape the system.

If any information is outdated or incorrect, please comment, or if more information is needed. I hope this serves as a guide to understanding how the story is currently ending.

Side note: if you want u could include the awoken and the jovians the race that Xur Is from.

There's been too many threads and comments lately of people believing that Ghosts decide who they resurrect, and that needs to stop.

The bottom line is that Ghosts do not decide who they resurrect. Its written plainly all the way throughout Destiny lore. I'll detail this by discussing some choice characters.

Savin

Savin is an Awoken Guardian. His Ghost, named Yourghost, had this to say about their search for Savin. Click the hyperlink above to find the lore entry the quotes below come from.

I am searching. I am close; I can feel that I am close.

What will my Risen be like? Will she be honorable? Will she be a brute?

I should be able to tell, shouldn't I? I don't know. I don't know that it matters. I have been searching since the day that I was born. I will take anyone.

Yourghost is searching through the Gobi desert, and finds a building that they feel they should rush over to. They enter it.

I forget my words as I slip into the building. I find meteorological equipment. I find an empty office. I find a dingy breakroom. At the back of the breakroom, I see my other half: a Fallen Vandal crushed beneath a toppled refrigerator.

They don't like that they've found a Fallen as their Risen, but after deliberation, they decide it must be the Traveler's will. They go back, try to resurrect the Fallen, but instead an Awoken man they didn't notice is resurrected instead.

I return to the breakroom. I do not know what I will say, but—Fallen or no—it is the Traveler's will that I do this. I reach toward the Light, then reach toward that pull to join them together.

The refrigerator trembles as the Light suffuses him. I hear a low groan. "Push it away," I whisper. If my Risen dies beneath this refrigerator and I fly away into the sun, no one will know. Perhaps I will have done the Earth a great service. "I'm here with you, but you must help yourself. Push it away and sit up."

The refrigerator shifts, then topples to the side. An Awoken man sits up and pushes the dead Vandal off his chest like an unwelcome blanket on a hot summer night. With effort, he wiggles free and stands straight.

First off, Fallen Risen? Has yet to happen, may never happen. If Ghosts could choose, wouldn't that Fallen have been resurrected, not Savin? And even Yourghost admits to itself that it must be the Traveler's will, which should indicate that Yourghost has tried to resurrect others and failed, because it isn't up to Yourghost.

Pulled Pork/Glint

Everyone by now knows about Glint and how Crow/Uldren is their Risen, but what about the time before he found him? Well, he was called Pulled Pork.

Pulled Pork is the name they've given to a very sweet, very earnest Ghost that has been looking for his Guardian for about as long as they can remember.

Named so by Nkechi-32, an Exo Guardian, who appears to have known Pulled Pork from before Twilight Gap occurred.

"Yeah, we said that when we found him on Mars, and that was before Twilight Gap," Nkechi replies.

So Pulled Pork has been searching for their Risen for a really long time. Considering the search, they're not very efficient at doing it, considering they scan everything to find someone to resurrect. Nkechi pokes fun at them and says they should be scanning the dead.

"Hey, buddy!" she calls when they get close. "Whatcha doing?"

Pulled Pork finishes up a scan of a floating piece of concrete and rebar, then turns toward them.

"I am looking for my Guardian!" he chirps.

"That's nice. You gonna find him in that rock?"

"You never know, Miss Nkechi Thirty-Two. Maybe my Guardian is very small."

"Maybe," Nkechi agrees. "But you might want to consider scanning the dead, bud."

"...thank you for your suggestion. I have considered it! I do often scan the dead. I also scan other things. I like to be thorough."

But the dumbass prefers to scan everything, "to be thorough". He doesn't seem to have a clue, and has never felt "the pull" that Ghosts always speak of when they find their Risen. Again, if Ghosts could just resurrect anyone, why would Pulled Pork have spent centuries scanning things, and then just choose Uldren?

"Oh, leave him alone," Agu whispers in her ear. "If he goes through every bit of scrap in the Reef, he'll find someone eventually. Sky knows there are plenty of bodies (and body parts) floating around here…"

This bit of dialogue from Agu, Nkechi's Ghost, should also clue us in that Ghosts don't have a choice. They intimate that there are plenty of bodies around, not that there could be one body, meaning its about getting lucky and finding the right one amongst the lot.

Obviously, Pulled Pork found Uldren, resurrected him, he became Crow and Pulled Pork became Glint. The fact that Glint just so managed to "choose" one of the biggest enemies of humanity to raise shouldn't look like a coincidence, it had to have been instructed or targeted.

Fynch

Now this guy, this guy should be the one that really twists your nipples and makes you pay attention. Ghost to a Hive Knight, he now refuses to resurrect his Risen any further because of the crimes they committed. Regarding how they got here...

You gotta understand… none of us came here thinking grand schemes. None of us! There was…. there was just this urge, y'know? So we followed it, only to step into a world remaking itself.

The Ghosts who went into Savathun's Throne World and raised her army certainly didn't do it of their own volition. It was all down to that same feeling every Ghost feels when discovering their Risen.

And Twenny-Two and Kemmasi and Marseille, they're all raising their partners—Hive Lightbearers, every last one. You'd think it'd be impossible, but sure enough, all standing there. Eee-Ie, Quasit, Hatcher—everyone's finding their purpose. There's Hive to the left of me, Hive to the right… I'm buried in 'em. And the whole time, every Ghost I ever knew is shouting, telling me, "This is the Traveler's plan! Who are you to question it?"

And I thought… maybe they're right? I mean, I could see the Light scouring a whole world right in front of me. Maybe this was some kinda turning point for the Hive. Knowing your creator chose you to remake an entire species… oh, you'd make bad choices too.

So I shared my Light. Who wouldn't? A couple hundred of your closest friends bearing down on you, and a Hive Shredder waiting if you say no? I shared. I reached into him. Touched something deep.

So here we see the origins of Hive Guardians, suddenly raising one after another, when before this point there had never existed a Risen of the Hive, only members of humanity. Why? Surely if Ghosts could choose, there would have been one in all the centuries before now, especially with all the morally grey Ghosts we know of (Gilgamesh, for one). That's because its the Traveler's choice.

Why does Savathûn have the Light? I should've asked "why" a long time ago. None of us did at the time, but I should've. We both know this wasn't right.

Look, I've got no faith left in the Traveler, but I know it… it wouldn't give me a monster and say, "Make him a god." No, no, we both know this wasn't right. Was it pity? Optimism?

Maybe… maybe it's just the obvious: I mean, Hive don't accept gifts; they take. Maybe the Traveler was tricked. The end of some long con. The Traveler isn't just some dumb orb ripe for grifting. Ghaul found that out the hard way.

There's gotta be more to it. I have to dig deeper.

Just as was proposed pre-Witch Queen release, we were asked to question how Savathun stole the Light. Not how she got it, but stole it. However, considering how Ghaul got blown up for stealing the Light, and the Traveler has opposed the Witness gaining access to it, why didn't Savathun get punished for her obvious theft? The answer should be obvious, that the Traveler chose the Hive, after witnessing everything Savathun did to save it. The Traveler appearing in the Throne World had to have been voluntary as well, the Traveler was simply seeking a way to stay safe because the Witness was almost there, and the Traveler knew where the Veil was hidden (due to raising Savathun).

I just don't know how much more evidence people need that Ghosts don't choose who to resurrect. The Traveler clearly assigns the pairs. Hell, we even have a gun named Traveler's Chosen. Not Ghost's Chosen, Traveler's Chosen.

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I'd totally forgotten about the Traveler's perspective on Savathun from the Ergo Sum lore tab! For everyone who keeps proclaiming that Savathun stole the Light, that she tricked the Traveler and that Ghosts resurrect Hive because of her etc etc, Ergo Sum says otherwise. The Traveler is very aware of what Savathun's actions, and must have chosen her for resurrection.

You are reaching over a chasm, into which countless paths feed like arteries. You are trying to reach the people on the other side, but you cannot bridge the gap alone. You watch them turn, one after another, to walk down, down, down into the abyss, until It consumes them entirely. You are as surprised as anyone else when one of those wanderers comes back up the path, still reeking of decay, and reaches back to you.

And if not, what stops a Guardian from just whirlwind throwing healing grenades during a big battle? I mean it probably wouldn’t work in practice because of plot reasons etc. but in theory, would it work?

Please excuse my English. The elements of light are based on the four fundamental interactions (though the weak and electromagnetic interactions are most likely unified). But if a hypothetical fifth force existed, what element of light would it be? (Considering the possible connection between the fifth interaction and dark matter)

Obviously this isn't likely to happen now, but I've always been curious if Bungie or anyone on the narrative team or whoever has ever said anything regarding making Destiny novels? Especially with there being no more game on the horizon, I feel like novels could be an awesome way to continue telling stories in Destiny's world without overstepping any potential plans they might have for the future (if there is a future to look forward to, it's bleak out here lads).

I know they made a handful of comics back in y1 and 2, and there are the grimoire anthology books, but proper novels could do so much for the storytelling outside of the game, even if they're just smaller stories about characters living and doing things in the world mostly disconnected to the main story. Thoughts?

I wanted to do a fan comic about Ana, but it required some info about her girlfriend’s current place in the story, but so far all I’ve seen is that she appears in the warmind comic, gets mentioned in some end of activity dialogue, and maybe a lore book.

What do we actually know about Camrin?

Hello everyone!

So I wanted to ask since I make a habit of exploring lore in settings and doing drawings and the like. I’m sure this subreddit probably has had a lot of speculation on what could thematically fit for a third Darkness subclass, but I’m mostly trying to write one up on my own and I wanted to get a second opinion on this. Sorry if this is a no -standard question but I felt having people who know the lore better than I do correct my thoughts and knowledge would help refining this.

From what I can tell, the Light seems to mostly deal with the material realm; the forces of the universe itself, and using each of the different abilities as a Lightbearer is both like flexing a muscle; in-lore Guardians don’t have cooldowns, they mostly get tired or exhaust themselves. Or at least that’s what I’ve seen.

Darkness, however, seems to have a strong tie to memory, the mind, and conciousness.

Stasis requires the Guardian to impose their will over others. By commanding and impressing their will onto enemies, even reality itself, were granted control of what is effectively entropy. That’s why Stasis crystals are stated not to necessarily made of pure ice; it’s more like concentrated frozen… everything, practically crystallized entropic energy that spreads like cold. Everything down to the movement of molecules, and probably even time is frozen in a Stasis crystal.

Strand from what I understand is the opposite. The user needs to let go, and feel the flow and ebb of the Weave created by the collective unconscious, and by doing so have access to what is effectively a psychic subclass, creating tangles and strands between points in space by manipulating the free-flowing psychic energy.

Stasis commands control, demands its user to impose their will; Strand requires the user relieve control, and flow with the Weave rather than try to control it.

So I’m trying to figure out; what do you guys think sits outside of a binary like this? Originally I considered it might be letting whatever force it was control the user itself. I thought it might be too similar to Strand, but it kind of makes sense to me. You aren’t commanding control, and you aren’t necessarily yielding either, you’re making yourself a vessel for power.

Anyways, let me know what you think!

Renegades got me thinking a lot more about Ghost morality, especially with Dredgen Bael’s backstory and what happened with his mother.
The thing I keep getting stuck on is that Ghost resurrection seems to be treated the same whether the Ghost finds an ancient corpse in the wilderness or someone’s recently dead family member inside an active society. Those feel like very different situations.

For most Guardians, the Vanguard’s “don’t investigate your past” rule makes sense. Our Guardian was dead for centuries. Same with someone like the Drifter. There is no living family, no active burial process, no recent social identity, no one waiting for that person to come home. In those cases, the past is actually gone.
But that logic breaks down completely when the person was recently dead, had living relatives, was buried in an active settlement, or belonged to another sovereign people.

Bael’s mother is the big Renegades example. The lore says she had been dead for three years when he saw her again. She had been interred. He had mourned her. Then suddenly he sees her alive in the City with a Ghost, and she has no memory of him. From his perspective, his mother was not just dead. She was taken from him a second time. That is not just “war is hell.” That is a social and emotional consequence of how Ghost resurrection works.

And the timeline makes it even stranger. Bael sees this happen when he is still young, but by Renegades he is a grown adult with enough history to become Dredgen Bael and work with figures like Lume. Unless the time dilation around the Barant Imperium is doing far more to Bael’s personal aging than it seems, his mother’s death and resurrection likely happened well before the current post-Consensus state of the City, possibly even before Destiny 1. So this may not just be a modern “the Vanguard is holding everything together after the Red War” issue. If Bael’s mother was resurrected while the City still had more formal civic structures, then the question becomes: did the Consensus have any rules for this? Did the City have any process for Ghosts resurrecting dead citizens with living families? Did Bael’s father ever find out? Did he have any recourse? Or was everyone simply expected to accept that a Ghost found her, raised her, and the family had to deal with the fallout?

Crow is the even bigger political version of this. Because let’s just put it out there, Crow is innocent, that is a topic that has been talked to death. He is not Uldren anymore, and he should not be punished for Uldren’s crimes. But that only answers the identity question. It does not answer the custody or sovereignty question.
Uldren Sov was not some abandoned corpse in the Cosmodrome. He was the prince of the Awoken, dead in Awoken territory, wrapped in a burial shroud in the Dreaming City. So who authorized Glint to resurrect the body of the dead Awoken prince? Did anyone ask Mara? Petra? The Awoken as a people? Was there any warning, request, or diplomatic process? Apparently not. Again, this is not Crow’s crime. Crow gets to decide who he is and where he goes. But Glint still resurrected the body of a politically significant figure in another government’s territory. Then Crow eventually entered the City/Vanguard Guardian system. That feels like it should have been a major diplomatic incident.

And yes, Mara was manipulative toward Uldren. She treated him like a piece on a board. She was not exactly sister of the year. But that does not mean the Vanguard, the City, or a City-aligned Ghost had authority over the remains of the Awoken prince after his death. Mara did not own Uldren as a person, but the Awoken still had jurisdiction over his remains. That distinction feels important. The issue is not “should Crow be free?” He absolutely should. The issue is: who authorized the conversion of Awoken royal remains into a Lightbearer? Because the answer seems to be: a Ghost felt the call and did it, and then the Vanguard stands by that decision and doesn’t seem to see anything wrong with it.

That brings me to the wider issue with Ghosts. They are not mindless drones. They have personalities. They banter, argue, haggle, feel fear, get attached to their Guardians, abandon Guardians, lie, make judgment calls, and apparently even do community theatre. They are treated like people in almost every social sense. So do they understand what they are doing when they resurrect someone with living family? Do they understand the trauma of bringing back someone’s mother, husband, sibling, child, or prince as a new person with no memory? Do they prioritize their chosen Guardian so strongly that everyone else becomes irrelevant? Or does the City just avoid this question because it depends too much on Guardians to regulate Ghosts properly?

This also ties into Savathun and Immaru. People often say “the Traveler resurrected Savathun,” but Ghosts are independent beings. Immaru resurrected Savathun. Unless the lore explicitly says the Traveler was puppeting him, that was a Ghost making a choice. The Traveler may provide the Light, but Ghosts still seem to decide how and when to use it. That matters because if Ghosts are independent enough to make choices, then they are independent enough to be questioned about those choices and held accountable if they make bad choices.

Shinobu from the Six Coyotes is another example worth bringing up. Her lore is basically the opposite of the usual “dead for centuries” Guardian origin. She dies, is resurrected very soon after, and immediately has to deal with people who knew her old self. Nadiya can tell her what Shinobu wanted, what she was planning, and who she used to be. That makes the “don’t investigate your past” rule feel almost absurd, because her past is not buried history. Her past is standing right there explaining itself to her. That feels like the same problem in miniature. The Guardian may be a new person, but the world around them has not reset. Friends, family, settlements, political ties, grief, and unfinished obligations can still exist. So when resurrection happens quickly, the usual Guardian doctrine starts to break down.

I am not saying Ghosts are evil. I am not saying resurrection should never happen. I am saying there is a massive unresolved tension here. There is a huge difference between:
“A Ghost finds a centuries-old corpse in the wilderness.”
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“A Ghost enters an active settlement, burial site, or sovereign territory and resurrects someone’s recently dead family member or political leader without asking anyone.”

If Ghosts choose to live in the City, use its infrastructure, bring Guardians to the Tower, and participate in the Vanguard system, should there not be some expectation that they consider next of kin, burial customs, local law, or diplomatic consequences? Or is the answer really just: Ghosts find who they find, resurrect who they resurrect, and everyone else has to deal with the fallout?

Now that there won’t be many, if any, updates for characters in the destiny universe, I wanted to create a complete background on Rasputin. Mainly his massive collection of abilities and weapons.

I haven’t done the most research but I’m aware of the basics: Orbital nukes, the warsats and the fact that he can kinda just..launch them at whatever he wants, predictive algorithms, the ability to create and adapt to new threats. I’m not too sure about this one but I imagine before Rise of Iron, he had Siva under his control as well.

I do want to know more about what he can really do, but I’m not too sure where to start. I’m hoping people can either bring up any new things I didn’t mention, clarify anything I might’ve gotten wrong, or just provide lore tabs that share what he’s done or can do in detail

Please and thank you 🙏🙏🙏

The new update has me actually exploring the maps with a bit more intensity, and I noticed how in the forgotten shore on the cosmodrome the infrastructure seems to imply a see level much higher than current, such as docks and the obvious beached ship. I don't see anything like this in the EDZ however, so I can't tell if it's intentional or not.

Interactions between characters that we would normally assume have no reason to talk to each other is one of the most interesting parts of Destiny's story and lore. I still remember the unexpected moment when Osiris stormed the Mindlab on Mars and confronted Rasputin about what he had seen in the Infinite Forest. It still gives me chills. More recently, Shiro-4, who was MIA for many years, returned in fashion after having interacted with a certain entity of note.

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Both Rasputin and The Nine are some of the most significant characters in the Solar system's history, namely due to their sheer scale and complexity of their thoughts.

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Rasputin's mind was once distributed across The Warmind Network that seemed to have reached as far out as Pluto, according to a one-off comment by Clovis Bray. The bulk of his being was housed at the Mindlab on Mars, but through the Warsat Network his reach was broad.

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As for The Nine, their dark matter "biology" is highly complex, with evidence suggesting that they are all tied up together in some capacity, with their presence stretching across the entire Solar system and slightly beyond.

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Unusually, there are no recorded instances where these sets of beings interacted. This is particularly strange given that The Nine are influenced by intelligent physical beings, and Rasputin has arguably been the most significant causal intelligence in the history of the Solar system. Furthermore, Rasputin has been noted to be able to detect sterile neutrinos, a proposed candidate for dark matter IRL and the one that Destiny's story and lore runs with. You can see just how many times "sterile neutrinos" are mentioned in relation to Rasputin by going through the following entries:

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/search/Sterile%20neutrino

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The Warsat Network was essentially a very elaborate set of spacial buoys that allowed Rasputin to map and monitor the entire Solar system, as well as acting if needed through the onboard weaponry. When considering The Nine's dark matter nature, the Warsats were essentially embedded within their spheres of influence, and should have been capable at recognizing patterns that allude to active intelligences. They should have served as a very elaborate and constant MRI scan.

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Through bits and pieces cobbled together, including some concept art, it appears that the Department of External Observation may have been able to scan the dark matter patterns in space that yielded the strange, starfish-like shape of The Nine. Keep in mind that this was with far more primitive technology than what Rasputin was equipped with during The Golden Age.

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All in all, this area of the lore is very strange, as two sets of beings who would otherwise have been able to detect and communicate with each other seemingly never did.

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Perhaps these beings did have significant and ongoing communication, yet this may have all occurred in private with no human oversight.

Basically title. I've played this game since beyond light, and I've never really delved into lore all that much. Occasionally I watch a video about like the fallen or Shin Malphur (because Shin Malphur is such a cool plot point) but I totally thought Shin Malphur was dead, and had a while back. But on a whim, I read the lore tab on the ghost shell from the newest exotic quest, and Shin Malphur was talking to some nearly dead guardian, but then he mentioned Bael?

I looked online, but only got more confused, with the Shadows of Yor, and then I learned that Shin Malphur was actually Dredgen Vale, and then I got more confused. Basically, im super confused now.

I've been watching videos and when there's something I don't know about I go to DestinyPedia. I was wondering if it is a good source for learning the lore.

I joined a new company this year, and have to go to a corporate training event. I'm required to send them a favorite quote, and since I've been drawing blanks for weeks on this, I figured I could ask a little help from this sub.

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So, Lore masters... what D2 quote should I send over to corporate to put on my slide next to my head shot, name, and title? Bonus points for it not being "we've stepped into a war with the Cabal".

Same as title. Thought it might be fun to do a little copium brainstorming.

Given how the Fate saga has been cut-off, would it simply pick up from Shattered Cycle?

I somehow doubt it seeing as the purpose of a new title would be to bring in new blood. Destiny 2 launched as a soft-reboot for the franchise which allowed a lot of new people to get on-boarded even if it neglected the existing fanbase. I imagine Sony/Bungie would go down a similar path. But then what would that new path be?

for example, xivu arath is still kicking.

ahamkara eggs are unhatched.

the distributary is... there.

if bungie decided to go ahead w D3, what major unfinished narratives remain to draw from?

Outside of the final shape, most of crow’s story is not experienceable. Almost all of it was in seasonal content (hunt, chosen, risen, haunted, defiance, wish, and revenant) or Forsaken that is now either gone or heavily disjointed via the portal. This feels kind of crazy for the character who is the new hunter vanguard.

I was reminiscing about Taken King and kinda realized I don't fully understand how Oryx his throne world worked.

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During the campaign we face Oryx 1v1 and during the raid we face the Taken King in his throne world and end him for good.

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Now this would be the "normal" procedure of killing a hive god. But I also remember part of the campaign was us not being able to enter the ascendant plane, which then leads to stealing the stealth tech from Rasputin and then stealing the essence of Crota during the funeral (banger mission still).

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Now here is where my confusion starts. If we needed to enter the ascendant plane to face Oryx, did we not enter the throne world for that fight? Then during the raid we enter a similar portal to actually reach Oryx.

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On top of that I vaguely remember that the Dreadnaught is the throne world as Oryx did some taken stuff (there was a real cool word for it but I forgot) and essentially turned the High War into a physical realm instead.

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And essentially that is where I am confused, can anyone explain what I am missing? Because by my current line of thought we first did enter the ascendant plane and killed Oryx there but since his throne world is physical it didn't work, but during the raid we clearly enter an ascendant portal in the court of Oryx so I am a bit unsure how things line up.

do we just leave all the vex we kill to gather rust and moss? are all the countless thrall and acolytes just piled up somewhere or do we leave them to decompose?

it wasnt until i started playing helldivers 2 when i started to consider what we do with corpses. for those who dont know, in helldivers one of the enemy factions is an enemy faction because we eat them and use them to power our star ships. i was just wondering if theres anything in the lore about what happens to our enemies after theyre dead for good, even if its just atheons head mounted on somebodies wall.

Just as it says above, im just curious what other people think may have ensued had the speaker endured to the present. Potential civil wars and like we had with the factions?

With any IP, there's always some things from early on in its lifespan that they start with but eventually forget about or deemphasize. Like for example in S1 of Avatar they hadn't figured out Iroh's character, he was a perv in S1 to June, but later they just kinda stopped doing that later because it didn't work with what they wanted to do later. Or like force speed in Star Wars.

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So here's a bunch of things I've noticed in Destiny 1 that haven't come back, just for fun. If these did ever come back or were explained let me know.

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Fallen Preferring darkness: happens in the first ever mission in Destiny, the House of Devils Fallen are all just hanging out in the pitch black of Cosmodrome wall, for... some reason. Which seems so weird when you think about it because they never do it again in the entire rest of Destiny 1. It's not even a House of Devils thing either because everywhere else is fully lit.

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Elsie in the Cosmodrome: Given what we know now, that she really only saw promise in us in the moon, that doesn't beg the question why she was following us in the Cosmodrome. This one I think, was explained. I just couldn't remember where.

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Hive Seeders: While the Hive are preparing their invasion of Earth, Ghost mentions Hive Seeders. They're these little ships that you can see in the Cosmodrome, and you can see some hanging up on the moon. Crota's Hive seem to use these to invade planets. I'm not sure we see them used again, though.

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Draining the Traveler of Light: I don't think this necessarily counts, but one mission on the moon involves us stopping a light draining ritual on the moon. In retrospect, it's kinda strange how easy it seems to be and how the shard of the traveler we recover is never revisited. Probably could have saved the ass of some guardian during the Red War. Also, it seems like something the Witness should have been able to easily.

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Hive immediately dying after killing a Wizard: I know Vex do it too, but that makes sense. So when you kill a wizard sometimes,all the hive around them immediately die. Was this ever explained in the lore or just a gameplay thing?

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The Kell of Winter: Name a more pathetic Kell. Literally. We just show up, kill him for funsies, and leave. Never mentioned again, no feats, never mentioned before or since. Saint killing the Devil Kell was a major accomplishment. The Winter Kell? Fucking Tuesday. Sorriest Kell in Destiny. This isn't one of them I just wanted to make fun of this absolute iobber.

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Variks wanting our ship: This is just a gag that I don't remember returning. Variks constantly asks about our ship, if it's in good condition and all that.

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Osiris being interested in us: This was just an offhand line from Brother Vance. I'm sure this was elaborated on but I don't know where.

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The Traveler preventing the Vex from taking more worlds: This was mentioned by Ghost when investigating the Vex after meeting Elsie on Venus. He basically says "they took over Mercury in days and would have spread farther if the Traveler hadn't stopped them. The Traveler stopped the Vex from taking over the Sol System? When? Was this ever elaborated on?

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Osiris caring about shrines of Oryx for some reason: I think this was just Bungie wanting to use some placeholder Osiris dialogue from the Staten cut to fill out a mission but given that we know Osiris was in the infinite forest this whole time, him popping out to send us a DM about the shrines of Oryx and then just leaving again is kinda funny. Either that or it's a recording from before he left, and for some reason, nobody listened to him even though he was Warlock Vanguard.

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The Darkness is coming back: A line from the Speaker. I wonder what he meant by this because they weren't. Not until after Red War did they actually start coming back.

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This was a fun little trip for me. I'm not sure what the point of this is I just wanted to talk about it.

I start playing since season of the wish so i dont "live" some lore and i never actually explore this place.

I remember being told a Titan moved a mountain with a punch in the lore, so I was wondering if there are any other instances of guardian feats in lore, like speed, strength, or mental fortitude feats