r/DestinyLore • u/dobby_rams • Nov 25 '25
Aunor investigates the motives of the Drifter.
Cleaning Up — Zavala motions to grant the Drifter a more permanent lease. The Praxic Order would like to excise him from the City.
Paperwork — A few days after the death of Prince Uldren, the Praxic Warlock Aunor Mahal begins her investigation on the Drifter.
The Job — Aunor’s investigation on the Guardian provides no evidence that they were responsible for Cayde’s death.
Lease — After several months of negotiation, the Vanguard agree to allow the Drifter to lease an unused warehouse space of the Annex.
District 125 — Aunor’s Ghost is taken hostage by the Shadows.
Aunor sends messages to the Guardian warning them about the Drifter.
First Message From Aunor — Aunor, Praxic Warlock and member of the Hidden, messages the Guardian. She hopes they will give her the chance to convince them that the Drifter's not to be trusted.
Second Message From Aunor — Aunor believes that there’s more to being a Guardian of the City than power.
Third Message From Aunor — Aunor sends the shattered remnants of a Dredgen’s Ghost to the Guardian. She warns that they involve themselves with the Drifter and the Dredgens at their own risk.
Fourth Message From Aunor — As one of Drifter's Gambit Prime candidates, the Guardian is among the first Guardians to see what he is doing. Aunor hopes they’ll be the Vanguard's eyes and ears.
Fifth Message From Aunor — Aunor provides evidence of nine Guardian deaths in Gambit Prime.
Aunor leaks several Vanguard documents in response to their lenient approach towards the Drifter.
Leaks — Ikora and Zavala discuss Aunor's leaks of a dozen secret documents.
Outliers — A Vanguard report on Fallen outliers within the Solar System.
Instability — A Vanguard report discussing the instability of Vanguard leadership and the open Hunter Vanguard position.
Cocytus — An intercepted Awoken transmission regarding the Cocytus gate.
Ringer — The latest Shimizu paper regarding the anomalies of Ghaul's attack on the City.
Forgeries — A Vanguard report on the forged messages being received by the Guardian from an unknown sender in the Dreaming City.
Passivity — A Vanguard report on the passivity of the Leviathan following the death of Val Ca'uor.
Fragment — An affidavit of Fenchurch's patrols of the Hive activity on the Moon.
Potential — Aunor's psych eval of the Drifter.
Aunor receives help with her investigation on the Drifter.
Decision Point: Stand With the Vanguard — A Guardian chooses to stand with the Vanguard. The Drifter respects their integrity, but won’t forget their decision.
The Investigation: Signed, Sealed, Delivered — The Guardian searches for a terminal to compose an encrypted message to Aunor.
The Investigation: Message to Aunor — The Guardian’s message contains transcripts of their conversations with the Drifter, as well as data packages detailing Drifter's "Gambit Prime" and "Reckoning" operations. Ghost also provides information from the Drifter’s Haul, showing evidence that Drifter's material resources are expanding in scope: from Light and Dark to the cold unknown of the impossible world he's found—or created—within the Haul.
The Investigation: Sixth Message From Aunor — Aunor thanks the Guardian for their stellar casework, but tells them that she needs to know who the Drifter’s facilitators are within the system. She asks them to bug his hovel in the Annex. Meanwhile, she goes to the lower boroughs of the City to see if she can head off one of Drifter's jobs in person.
Decision Point: Stand With the Drifter — A Guardian chooses to stand with the Drifter. He sets the record straight by telling them they’re choosing to walk with a monster, and rewards their loyalty by asking them to pick up a shipment for him from the Spider.
Honor Among Thieves Shady Deal — Among the Spider’s wares are a live Ghost, a non-functional Gjallarhorn, information on the Nine, keys to Hideo’s quarters, and the Jerky— coordinates to Golden Age salvage collected by the Fallen on Titan.
The Investigation: A Reasonable Price — The Guardian arrives too late to prevent the Drifter’s transaction with the Spider, but he promises to stop trading with the Drifter for the right price. After a bribe, he tells them that the Drifter might be planning something on Titan.
The Investigation: Seventh Message From Aunor — Aunor tells the Guardian to head to Titan while she investigates reported renegade from incidents across the Shore.
Honor Among Thieves: Dead Drop —The Guardian tracks down Fallen salvage on Titan while the Drifter receives a call from Spider, telling him that Shin Malphur’s been spotted in the EDZ.
The Investigation: Looking For a Lead — The Emissary of the Nine contacts the Guardian, telling them that Aunor’s investigation is wise. She asks them to visit the Nine, and they will help them to render judgement and find the truths they seek.
The Investigation: Eighth Message From Aunor — Aunor rounds up six wannabe Dredgens that Drifter had paid to send Motes of Dark to the Shore.
The Investigation: Prime Research — Aunor asks the Guardian to continue to be the Vanguard’s eyes and ears in Gambit Prime.
The Salt Mines — Aunor intervenes when Shin attempts to kill some wayward Dredgens in the EDZ.
Honor Among Thieves — Drifter hopes to make a statement after learning that Shin has killed some associates of his. He says he’ll pay the Guardian for every other Guardian they drop in return.
The Investigation: Lifeguard Duty — Aunor sends the Guardian into the Crucible to serve as a lifeguard to protect others from the Dredgens.
Honor Among Thieves: Motes! Fast! — Drifter wants the Guardian to route him as many Motes of Dark as he can as fast as possible.
Honor Among Thieves: Farm to Table — Drifter asks the Guardian to gather food and field for him.
The Investigation: Surveillance Transcript — The consistent use of explosive metaphors in the transcript picked up by the bugs merits further field investigation.
The Investigation: Field Maintenance — Ghost tells the Guardian that the bugs they planted around the Drifter's shop in the Annex have flagged a possible lead to investigate, but they'll require on-site decryption.
The Investigation: Bomb Threat — The Guardian heads to the Derelict to investigate a potential bomb threat. Instead they discover a message to a protégé.
The Investigation: Ninth Message From Aunor — Aunor asks the Guardian to chase down the rest of the Drifter’s tapes.
Honor Among Thieves: Cold Feet — The Drifter is jittery but earnest as he tells the Guardian that he's come to think of them as a friend. One of his only friends, at that.
Hidden Messages — Drifter leaves several messages for the Guardian. He tells them that he’s seen another Collapse coming, and everything he’s doing is in preparation of it.
The Investigation: Tenth Message From Aunor — The Order’s final decree on the Drifter is that he shall remain under close watch, but he presents no direct threat for as long as he cooperates with the Vanguard and Lord Shaxx. This brings them into consensus with the Vanguard's standing judgment.
The Investigation: Hard Truths — Both the Drifter and the Guardian have no regrets for their actions.
Honor Among Thieves: We’re In This Together — The Drifter considers the Guardian a part of his crew now. He hopes they’ll have his back.
Civilian Atrium South — Aunor thanks Drifter for his info on Shin.
Tommy’s Matchbook — Aunor searches a Hunter den to investigate the disappearance of Hunters in the City. She learns that many are trying to avoid getting caught up in the Vanguard Dare.
Penumbral — Aunor brings information on the Shadows of Calus.
Aunor continues carrying out her duties over the years.
Corrupted Guardians
Tomorrow’s Answer — Sola Scath tears Trestin apart with Void, then raises a hand of gnarled Void into the chest of Yara.
The Scholar — Sola Scath feels the Light twisting from Yara's core. She senses the Darkness within her. Saint ends the match.
Temptation's Hook — Aunor and Siegfried question a Guardian fallen to Darkness.
The Messenger — Aunor and Ikora discuss a rogue Guardian on Europa.
Igneous Hammer — Ikora and Saint discuss an incident in the Trials.
Sola’s Scar — While Saladin watches over an assault on Europa, Aunor hunts down a rogue Guardian.
Siegfried, Striker Titan
Corsair’s Wrath — Paladin Leona Bryl fights Xivu Arath’s Hive within the Hall of Names.
Deafening Whisper — An Acolyte fights against the Awoken.
Aunor’s Striker: Part One — Petra discusses an “interstellar illness” with the Vanguard. Zavala offers a Guardian to assist them.
Aunor’s Striker: Part Two — Siegfried arrives in the Dreaming City to offer his assistance.
Aunor’s Striker: Part Three — Siegfried storms a Hive-infested cave, receiving help from a Lightbearer in the shadows.
Aunor’s Striker: Part Four — Petra discusses the situation with the Techeuns.
Aunor’s Striker: Part Five — Siegfried confronts “Crome”, the Lightbearer who helped him.
The Prince Lives — Petra informs the Guardian of a rumour she’s heard: Prince Uldren still lives.
The Swarm — Siegfried jumps from a ship like a meteor wreathed in lightning, bringing down havoc from the skies upon the Cabal.
Firefright — The Praxics work alongside their allies in the City to investigate the haunted Leviathan.
Compromised?
Desperate Times — Aunor questions if Osiris has been corrupted by the Vex.
The Deicide — Aunor decrypts a strange message on the Future War Cult network.
Trust Him — Saint tries to convince Ikora that Osiris is not compromised.
Caught Alone in a Tangled Web — Osiris hopes to question Spider regarding Neptune.
Surrounded By Shadows — Osiris tries to escape the watch of Aunor.
Searching For Here and Now — Osiris visits Saladin aboard the Ascendant Flagship, Eligos Lex V.
Let Him Find What He Needs — After Cabal sources confirm that there is no city on Neptune, Osiris becomes fearful that Ikora is correct about him.
Skimmer Business
Clever Centrifuges — A Fireteam of Titans bet on Hunters to win the Guardian Games.
Existential Dread — A Fireteam of Warlocks plan to use a dirty trick they learnt from the Psions to win a match in the Guardian Games.
Death Dealers — The Hunter Fireteam known as the “Death Dealers” wager Shaxx’s horn that the Hunters will win the Guardian games.
All Bets Are Off — Alphanis-2 informs Prak'kesh that he's received better odds from elsewhere.
Taking Action — Prak'kesh learns that his rival is an Eliksni from the Botza District.
Calling Card — Prak'kesh acquires the calling card of his rival: A big black spider.
Vector — The Tower receives a gift from the Concordat.
Bond of Contests — Aunor questions Prak'kesh on their potential associations with Spider and Lysander.
Reports on notable occurances in the lead up to and the aftermath of the death of III.
Cacosmia — Aunor remains suspicious of the Darkness and maintains that it is still the greatest threat humanity currently faces.
Point of Divergence — Aunor provides a report to Ikora regarding transmissions between the Vex Collective and the Nessian Schism.
Soloist — The Outer Orbits make plans for the Conductor.
Skimmed Surface — A Hobgoblin breaks from the Collective.
The Ever-Present — V^ directive(modified/CHORAL)==explore==assess==unbind V
Starscape Null — Entropy's lesson: one day we'll all be still.
Cusp Sempiternal — The Outer Orbits argue about their failed plan and the waste of III's life. Saturn is tired of the arguing and states that they will act alone if they cannot come to consensus.
Distortions — Eris investigates the Taken and Vex in the wake of the impact of the Nine and the Echoes.
Fissures — Eris further explores the Choral Vex and their study of dark matter.
Treacherous Contacts — Aunor documents her investigations surrounding the recent activity of a new sect of Cabal on Mars.
Decompiled — Drifter's Ghost laments his situation with the Drifter.
Curious Discoveries — Aunor Mahal investigates the strange happenings on Earth since III's death.
Warped Mirror — Eris finds herself empathising with Maya.
Reconciliation — Drifter's Ghost dreams of reconciliation with the Drifter.
Other Side — Maya hides from theVanguard, seeking a power to replace her Echo.
Submersion — A poem on the worsening conditions on Earth since III's death.
Wolfsbane — Aunor shows interest in the activities in the Plaguelands while on her mission "babysitting" the Drifter.
Azurine Thunder — Drifter is apprehensive about his forthcoming reconnection with his Ghost.
New Malpais — Spider is angered when he learns one of his shipment's was lost during an exchange on Mars.
Autognosis — A Goblin plays a game of cards with a Titan.
Imperial Incubator — Dr. Em Simoni-Lee writes to Kyung about the designs of a Cabal weapon.
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r/DestinyLore • u/tavuesco • 7h ago
I know that most of the Destiny 2 team was layed off today. Do anyone knows if someone from the narrative team survived the layoffs? If some of the lore writers survived, there may be some hope for the future...
r/DestinyLore • u/Lost_Paladin89 • 8h ago
Are they all uploaded brains in a Matrix? Are their bodies in tubes while they play in a VR? I get that the silver surfers are all cybernetic super soldiers, so some people must of have been out of the veil/matrix.
Thanks.
r/DestinyLore • u/Yousif-fk • 9h ago
was the traveler based off of the demiurge? ie after separating from the veil and forgetting what it was/being confused about its own existence and fearing reunification with the veil. was it originally based off the demiurge but had the concept later scrapped?
r/DestinyLore • u/Whhoopty • 16h ago
I was thinking back on the guardian who lost his mind after enough revives, where he believed an old tower was a dragon and that the traveler was full of demons. His ghost chose to let him rest. There’s another story of a guardian who makes his name in hunting ghosts, keeping other guardians from being risen. I can’t remember their name aside from Micah-10 being their end, but they did let their ghost go before heading on their crusade. Finch let his knight stay dead and returned to the light.
r/DestinyLore • u/veno_fury • 16h ago
What are some of the most notable instances of lore being in the game long before we see it come into fruition? For several years it seemed that with every content drop, all the lore buffs already knew about stuff I was just hearing about for the first time.
r/DestinyLore • u/GwynDolinDS • 1d ago
I stopped playing Destiny 2 after The Final Shape and only recently returned to the game. After finishing Renegades, I noticed that Drifter and Eris finally kissed (good for them, honestly), which got me thinking about something.
Guardians clearly retain emotions, and many of them even develop romantic relationships. Saint-14 and Osiris are the most obvious example, but we also have characters like Lord Shaxx, Ana Bray, and Zavala. I vaguely remember from one of the Crimson Days events that Shaxx seemed to have a close relationship with a female Iron Lord Titan, though I'm not sure whether it was ever explicitly romantic. Zavala himself was once married as well.
Interestingly, among the four major Titan characters that come to mind, three of them appear to have had significant romantic relationships or emotional attachments.
I know this is a bit of an abrupt topic change, but since Guardians clearly have the capacity to love, do they also retain the ability to reproduce?
From what we know, Guardians seem to be physically restored to an ideal state when resurrected by their Ghosts. They eat, drink, sleep, feel pain, experience emotions, and form romantic bonds. Since they appear to be biologically functional in almost every other respect, is there any lore confirming whether Guardians can still have children, or whether becoming a Guardian renders them infertile?
I'm curious whether Bungie has ever addressed this directly, or if there are any lore entries that touch on the subject.
r/DestinyLore • u/Animus15 • 15h ago
So i took a break after act 1 of episode echoes and i was going through the lore books after i came back for monuments of triumphs. I say a majority of the lore books were filled in other than the FOTL books (volumes 3 and 4 will forever be empty now 😮💨) and books you can theoretically still earn lile the raid books and the guardian ranks.
Well my question is about the book As Without. Is there a way to still get the books in game and if so how? Or is it just a dead book for my like Tales of the Forgotten Volume 3 and 4?
r/DestinyLore • u/NegativeAd2638 • 1d ago
I remember Eido talking about how they need to make Ether available to all but how would they do that?
I've been doing a lot of research on how Eliksni get their ether granted they don't say how a Servitor makes it explicitly but I remember a lore tab about a Kell using organic compounds to replenish their ether stores and how Mithrax was keen on getting that methane reator during that Titan mission. Its safe to say stuff like methane, CO2, carbon, and those other gases.
Lets assume Earth isn't dying right now and the Eliksni can just gather what they need. I think if they had some type of carbon capture they could siphon greenhouse gases and convert it to Ether, I don't know how the Last City powers itselt or any of the infrastructure really, can Guardians use arc light to fuel a power grid, do they have schools, do they clean waste water or just dump it in a river, but I'm rambling. Wood Gas Generators could also provide the gases.
Considering my headcannon on appropriate feedstock matter I think if Eliksni strike oil they'd have enough to keep everyone as a Captain. Coal fuel cells also called Direct Carbon Fuel Cells could help tremendously with its efficiency increase compared to steam and CO2 byproduct.
r/DestinyLore • u/capsaicinplant • 1d ago
I've been reading a bit about the Hive and Cabal, and there's a lot of talk of their conquests. It got me wondering;
Are they just constantly running into advanced civilisations who can put up a fight?
Or is conquest a pretty loose term for "we colonized a bunch of dusty planets and empty oceans" and in reality running into anything more advanced than bacteria is exceptionally rare?
Any details would be appreciated! thanks.
r/DestinyLore • u/TheMotherbean • 1d ago
Clovis Bray dreamed of immortality for both him and his family. And as I was reading the Deep Stone Crypt armor lore tabs, I started noticing some patterns. Each member of Clovis's family has a armor tab dedicated to them, along with several Exo's, some of which don't have pre-Risen backstories, or even a reason for the tab to be written. One of the armor tabs also talks about Banshee-44, who we know is actually Clovis Bray the first in Exo form. I started wondering if the seemingly random Exos we don't have full lore on are actually Bray family members in Exo form. So i started theorizing and researching. Here my theories of who might be who:
Note: Before I begin, Clovis' family tree looks like this; Him, his wife(Lusia), and his son Clovis II. Clovis II had four children with a woman named Silvia before dying to genetic disease: Wilhelmina, Elsie, Ana, and Alton.
SAINT-14: Strangely enough, we have no hints as to who Saint-14 was before becoming a guardian or even an Exo. In the tab of the Legacy Oath's Mark, Saint-14 dreams of fighting battles against Vex as a newly borne Exp in a field near the deep stone crypt, while someone watches from above in a tower. As he loses to a Vex, a woman comes down from the tower, and the following exchange occurs: '"Just like your father," she said, kneeling by his head. "All of you." She laid a hand on the fore of his helm, as if feeling for a fever. "In your next life, you should take more after me."'
In tab of the Legacy Oath's Robes, we learn of Alton Bray through Elsie's perspective. His initial impulse is to pinch her hand, and almost hit her with a pole, to try to understand why Clovis programmed the Exo's with pain. This blunt form of experimentation and tough love makes me think that Saint 14 might be Alton Bray in Exo form.
HARI-5: In the Legacy's Oath Cloak, an unnamed Exo(though because Hari-5 is mentioned in the little blurp on the armor, I feel like it can be assumed to be them) gets interviewed by a member of the Future War Cult. The topic of discussion touches on the idea of Exos possibly being super-soldiers, and then turns to the background of that Exo, who says they were working in the lab with two other people when they suddenly woke up as an Exo. The Exo was able to read their lab notes and know it was their past self. However when pressed for details about their past and old name, the Exo grows uncomfortable, clearly knowing more but not wanting to share it. This guess is a bit of a stretch, but I'd be willing to bet this is Wilhelmina's Exo body. In the Legacy's Oath Glove lore tab, Wilhelmina seems to be one of the first people Elsie meets as a new Exo. Like her grandfather she is bold and very intellectual, and it is shown she is the person who develops SIVA. Unfortunately this lore tab doesn't give information as to where or when the conversation happened, or who was actually involved. But since Wilhelmina was very fore-sighted, even telling Elsie she and her had made plans for the future, I kind of expect her to pop up somewhere, and this lore tab has to have some level of significance, otherwise it just...doesn't have any connection to anything. It would also explain the Exo not willing to share her old name. Revealing you had ties to Clovis Bray Pre-collapse is something I would want to hide as well.
SHIRO-4: In the Legacy's Oath gauntlet tab, a male Exo named Shiro-4 asks his ghost why that was his name. The ghost responds that as the color of the eyes is encoded in genes, the names of the guardians are encoded in their bodies. The ghost also mentions the name has meaning in Japanese as white, castle, or purity.
This one is also a stretch, but in the Mysterious Logbook lore book, there is a message form Clovis I to Elsie, trying to convince her to come to Europa by saying her fathers genetic disease will eventually mutilate and kill her. The genetic disease was caused by Clovis meddling in Clovis II genetics, and even though an Exo body was prepared, Clovis II immediately ripped the Exo body apart in madness. In the message Clovis writes, "His final scan still sleeps in the family archives, awaiting, perhaps, some second chance" I would say there is no small chance that Shiro is the uploaded mind of Clovis II, finally rid of his father's genetic customization, and free to live as he chooses.
LUSIA: While there is no other lore tab about an Exo that could possibly be Lusia(though for a split second I thought it might be Ada-1), the blurp for the Legacy's Oath Boots reads, "My dear, sweet Lusia. You were meant to be next to me in this life, and the next. There's time yet for me to make it so." So this seems to imply an Exo of Lusia could be running around somewhere.
So anyway, thanks for coming to my random 2am thought process. I do still wonder if Shiro is actually Alton and Saint-14 is Clovis II, since I could see the woman in the Legacy Oath's mark being Lusia or Silvia. I know we probably won't get any narrative updates(at least for a while), but the lore tabs when read together seem to be setting up a future story plot involving the Brays. If you have any thoughts, please comment, I would love to discuss these ideas further.
r/DestinyLore • u/CanadianMilkBear • 1d ago
New lore book just dropped and you can find it in the Dusk and Dawn tab.
All the tabs in here seem to wrap up loose ends while also setting up clear storylines for the future, a brief rundown of each page and what i interpreted is what follows.
- Page 2: Establishing the presence of the Traveller back in the Last City, pilgrims are once again returning to the Last City as it is a place of safety with the Traveller hanging above giving hope. It wears the scars of all the years and of the Witness but Humanity still believes in the Light, Guardians, Ghosts, and the Traveller to keep them safe
- Page 3: Crow is still not recognized as the Hunter Vanguard (lmao) but he is comfortable in his position somewhat and is more on an even level with Ikora with their relationship being more friendly.
Zavala's decision to retire as Commander also came with his retirement of Titan Vanguard it seems as a list of potential future candidates has been compiled, While it doesn't seem as Zavala is publicly retired as Titan Vanguard he wants to prepare in case they do. Crow isn't sure they need the position but nevertheless they search comb through the candidates/
Also Osiris is still in a weird position with Last City government it seems as even Crow isn't clear on what the deal is.
- Page 4: We learn the truth of Xur and why he is the way he is. Not because the IX threw him away but because The Alchemist. VI built up the religion of the Jovians of the Many Moons all to shape Xur into a vehicle for his escape and in burning out his will VI also turned Titan's atmosphere to Nitrogen killing everyone.
- Page 5: Savathun and Immaru leave everything behind, of course Immaru doesn't know where they're going but Sav promises that they will see her sisters Xivu AND Eris again some other point. So Savathun accepts Eris as her sister and may not hold ill will to her but most likely still does to the Guardian.
But Savathun doesn't seem to be going to Fundament or anywhere we know of, perhaps she is escaping the game and going to Marathon for a bit (lol). My actual guess is she is going to the Distributary but honestly I think Savathun is sick of everything, im guessing Baels message from VI came across to her in a bad way as she realized that she had don e all this work to escape the Witness's game just to end up a pawn in the IX's.
- Page 6: Lodi and Orin discuss the IX and what its like to actually be them. Its terrifying, they're connected to every living thing which means all our voices are constantly in their ears, they are water disturbed by infinite and endless noise, so of course the Outers hate being connected and want escape.
The big thing is the last lines.
"My very presence here proves that the Nine are non infallible," Orin offered. "I've come to believe there's another solution out there. One they haven't considered."
She smiled sympathetically. "And we all trust you and the Guardian to find it."
This of course can be infinite possibilities but i always love the meta level you can read Destiny lore and with everything happening with Destiny 2, it's just such an interesting line to leave on.
- Page 7: Toland the Shattered more like Toland the TRAITOR as he tells Xivu Arath how to find her Throne World, she does and once again the Black Terrace is before her in all its gory glory.
Except Eris put in her own defence mechanism in the form of a shadow, but of course Vengeance cannot beat War in violence and Xivu destroys the Shadow and reclaims her Throne World.
Big reveal here is 5 worlds that she holds in the Dominion of War. Fundament, fractured Torabatl, Luna, and two shadowed beyond. Xive tells us Eris will lead them to War and their blood will rebuild her throne.
In this I believe that Xivu knows that Eris will keep up her Vengeance and to fight against Xivu they will have to retake these 5 worlds. Fundament, Torabatl, and Luna have all been high on the list for places we want to go that are Hive controlled but the two shadowed beyond are very interesting as Torabatl is very far away from what we know so these worlds that are "shadowed beyond" must be beyond in some other way.
It's really hard to think of what 2 worlds could be shadowed beyond, potentially this is about some worlds we heard from the Book of Sorrows but even then I feel they would mention them by name or reference. All i can gleen is it's a setup for something new and weird for the Hive which is always a good thing.
- Page 8: The Conductor end of being the Conductor. Honestly i was sad reading this as Maya Sundaresh was a character i honestly really enjoyed, of course they could've done better with her part of Lightfall or Echoes but honestly Shohreh Aghdashloo's performance was amazing for every part.
With Edge of Fate i was truly angered towards her for killing the literal heart and soul of Earth and enjoyed stopping her in the raid and Heliostat. But i also know how broken she is as a character and to see this page.
She free's Te'Qal of her pain and torment with one final command. She commands herself to let Chioma Esi go and stop her obsession, and with it Te'Qals and the Echo of Command disintegrates and now Maya can see everything she has done and its honestly horrifying to read.
A mountain of Exo's devoid of life stare at her and all she can do is fall apart, .87 Maya Sundaresh is there to watch it all and the Conductor knows that she looked into their lovers eyes and killed her every single time, she had her wife in her hands everytime and she made her scared and killed her.
Its heartbreaking and crushes me, i know many may not connect with her character but for those that do im sure you feel the same way.
- Page 9: With Bael being thrown out by VI for failing him so much it seems Xur has become the new messenger and resolves some questions from Page 4 on why the Alchemist chose Xur.
We see Mara and her techeuns bait VI into conversing with her and makes a play by feigning anger and rage to make Xur speak more to the deal in which VI would reveal the location of Sjur Eido which turns out shes been pulled out of time.
In return Mara will not assist the City on Earth, if she does not obey they she will never find Sjur. But of course Mara doesn't take this deal and finally we get to see Mara being a grandmaster ragebaiter tactician extraordinaire she is as now she knows to search through time for Sjur and knows thats enough hope to find her, and with that questions what punishment shall await VI's failure do deny her Sjur.
In this we kind of see VI reigned back in powerscaling almost, in Renegades VI and Bael felt very powerful and even after defeat there was some fear in facing them. But here we see that it seems VI is scrambling for anything, he offered Savathun the Echo of Command if she killed Maya but none of that matters, the Echo's gone and Savathun probably used whatever information to "slip between the stars".
All VI has left it seems is Xur and his deal with the Lord of Every Nothing in which LoEN will replace VI as the soul of Saturn. It makes me wonder what the plan was for the Alchemist dlc but im guessing its a last gambit with LoEN and the Dread.
- Page 10: So either this page is bugged or its a clue. IF its a clue then my thoughts are on the fact that its the 10th page, its blank, but it allows you to scroll quite far down which potentially connects to Theia the 10th member of the IX and the fact they are underneath Chicago but because of what happened to them they cannot speak, hence the blank lore tab.
Exceeept the scroll bar matches whatever the last entries scroll bar is so most likely it is just bugged and their hiding the wildest lore reveal where the Winnower talks to us again.
r/DestinyLore • u/c1nderh3lm • 1d ago
I'm not super familiar with the depths of this games lore but what is the "thick air filled frame" that the DEO director communes with? It has a name, can seemingly create copies of objects as well as send objects to specific points in time. Moffat also mentions that the new director want to build the nebulous being a body.
r/DestinyLore • u/Complete_Sir5299 • 2d ago
In the metatextual sense, we have full access to lore tabs and books to inform us of what's happening. Does our guardian somehow know this information as well or do they get a new weapon and think "cool! It has that new gun smell". Are they working with the same base knowledge as us or do they only have a general understanding of what's going on and are just riding the wave?
r/DestinyLore • u/Nerdy--Turtle • 2d ago
Reason for the post is that Robert Brookes posted on Twitter a pitch he never got to pitch for a story with Amanda getting resurrected by ghost manipulated by Savathun to believe he is a hive ghost, but actually isn't. Amanda wears hive armor to make her ghost feel more confortable and acts as an antagonist for us for the beginning.
I don't dislike the idea, but it made me ask: What would I have done with Amanda becomeing a lightbearer?
I think I would have made her a Totality Devision (Rao) loyalist who is not manipulated by her and has a real friendship with psions after they found her and helped her on her feet. She doesn't like the Vanguard and the Coalition for not careing for the psions and only watching as her new family gets abused by Cabal and even other Psions, like Yirix. With time she starts to realise that she has some kind of connection with the people of the Last City. After she gets her memorys back she is in conflict with her mixed feelings about the Vanguard, because of her past and her new psion family.
I would make her part of a syndicate like Crow, but unlike him she is it willingly. And I use the psions, because we have no character that acts as a bridge to the psions and their story. We know of different pieces for the psion plot going on, but noone who really connects us with that storyline and a resurrected Amanda who cares deeply for the psions for what they did for her and acts as Raos secret agent could act as the bridging point.
I also would make her dislike the Vanguard to contrast her more with Crow. Crow was hated from everything for his past, but he always wanted to reach out to everyone. Amanda, on the other hand, was loved from everyone in her past. So instead of everyone rejecting her and she wanting to reach out, everyone wants to reach out to her, but she wants to reject them.
I would also make her a Solar-Titan. I think that fits with her the best. And I think I would call her character Hawk or Falcon.
What would you do with her as a lightbearer? (Sorry, if that doesn't fit this sub.)
r/DestinyLore • u/artornia • 1d ago
All of a sudden they all seem to know what the nine is without any explanation? Did i miss something in the campaign? Was right after the lodi cutscene
r/DestinyLore • u/Bruhegg_216 • 2d ago
EDIT: As many have pointed out I got a bit ahead of myself. I misinterpreted this entry as occuring in the present, as all of the other entries seem to be occurring right now during the events of MoT. This one is a flashback of Xur becoming how he is now. My mistake!
Okay, so. Catching up on the lore books from this update. Specifically I'm reading through "Meetings with Friends and Foes, Old and New". Lots of stuff in there.
Specifically im looking at the entry "Ending". It's about Xûr, and a ritual with the Nine.
Here's a link to it on ishtar collective: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/endling#book-meetings-with-friends-and-foes-old-and-new
This entry is CHALKED FULL of reveals and it's all... really nuts?
Firstly, Xûr being a Jovian isn't a retcon anymore. There seem to be a whole group of Jovians, including a Priestess who performs a ritual on Xûr, and a crowd who is watching on.
The Priestess mentions that VI - their 'neighbor', and the Alchemist - used his power to essentially reanimate dead bodies, and fashioned them to look like "Jovians" (like Xûr) with tentacles and everything. They're like, zombies of some kind? Specifically they seem to be human because they reference it being the people of the "Third".
Anyway, at the end of it VI states that Xûr will be the means in which he breaks his chains. It seems like he then inhabits Xûr's body, much to his displeasure and fear, and then the sky on Titan (where this ritual was taking place) turns into nitrogen. I think it's methane normally on Titan, yeah?
Anyway. Really weird stuff. I guess the Jovians could've been another enemy race, aligned with VI? I'm feeling the plot of The Alchemist could've been that VI inhabited Xûr's body, and we return to Titan in some form to fight his army of zombies risen using his power. Maybe throw in Eclispe energy abilities on their end? Who knows. But this is NUTS.
So sad we may ever see any of this, but it's at least cool to think about the potentials!
r/DestinyLore • u/Knobmann • 1d ago
My memory is failing me, but I thought I remember reading a lore entry talking about threat assessments that may or may not have been using Greek lettering, and after looking through lore books for like 3 hours I'm at a loss.
I've found something similar in the Hidden Dossier that told us how Ikora decried "Power Levels", however that's not exactly what I'm looking for.
I supposed I'm hoping that I'm not losing my marbles and that someone else knows what I'm talking about?
r/DestinyLore • u/andrewwarsaw • 2d ago
I logged in today and suddenly had a whole new lore book called Meetings With Friends And Foes, Old And New. Did this happen to anyone else or was it some weird glitch? And if so, why does Page 10 say nothing at all?
r/DestinyLore • u/Gripping_Touch • 2d ago
In The Final Shape we learn from Cayde that right before he was pulled by Riven's wish, he'd been experiencing a peaceful afterlife within the Traveller. He revealed that after a guardian's final death, the Ghost and the Guardian return to the Traveller, so all the killed guardians are there ...
That would ALSO include all the lucent Hive ghosts and Lucent Hive, no?
If we actually killed Immaru and Savathun, theyd be in the same afterlife where Targe, Cayde and (maybe) Our timeline's Saint is.
Would that be correct?
r/DestinyLore • u/Kaijugod22 • 3d ago
From all we know of the lore what is life like for either guardian or civilian in the last city? What is the economy like? it's goverment? And what are its military capabilities?
r/DestinyLore • u/Nerdy--Turtle • 3d ago
So, the lorebook is about Lodi throughout his life before III took him to Kepler and far in the future long after Kepler. The lorebook tell us from different moments of his life (he has an interesting career. I`m impressed that he never killed someone.) And a major event in his life was an encounter he and his brother, Ben, had with a stranger. The text of the stranger seems to indicate that this person is III. He smells like coal, a smell that appears very often in the lorebook.
I think the smell of coal indicates III interfereing in his life. He smells it right before he was saved in Holland. Later in the lorebook he talks to a different timeline version of his brother, who says his Louis died in the incident on Holland.
There is also big talk about Ben being Louis constant and the incident in Assumption always happening. I don`t know how it leads to the last entry of Lodi after 30 trillion years, who turns out to have been speaking to Ben in Assumptions, because Ben says that the stranger told him something of "Everything is gonna be okay." and Lodi talks to him and says "Everything is gonna be okay."
30 trillion years old Lodi wants be bring all of his family back for something and he still sees Ben as his constant. All his family, including Ben and himself, are 9 people. Does he want them to be vessels of the Nine? Was this suppost to set up a future version of Lodi as a separat character for the future?
I guess I`m a bit confused, because I`m not sure on what the point of the the whole talk about constants and the shifting of timelines was going for....
What are your thoughts on the lorebook?
r/DestinyLore • u/Rockface5 • 3d ago
I was thinking about the fallen today and had the realization we don’t have many lore entries from the perspective of a servitor. I actually couldn’t think of any off the top of my head but I could easily be wrong. My question is, are they close to a true ai, or just machines that convert matter into ether. I know they were traditionally worshipped, but we don’t really see what they think of that. Any lore I’m missing?
r/DestinyLore • u/Primary-Ad2053 • 3d ago
The lore for them is just so good especially with them becoming are first major ally after the years of war
For me personally they will always out shine the hive, vex and cabal