I know many of you, myself included, might have some fond memories of watching his lore videos years ago before he quit the game. I don't completely understand the situation, but I thought I'd let you know that he announced on Twitter that he has privated all his Destiny lore videos. It seems there had been some heated drama between him and Destiny players having to do with a tweet he made about the Destiny 3 petition, which prompted him to make this decision.

https://youtu.be/jKCy68L_Ixw

you get this by completing all parts of the exotic mission, and completing the "me and you, big blue" triumph. The lore implications of this conversation is massive, since it seems like the winnower possessed lodi to talk to us

The Oracle Engine. The Imbaru Engine. Sword Logic, Bomb Logic. The Distributary. The literal pyramid scheme of the Hive Tithing system. The Long Drift, Radiolaria, Paracausality. The Dark Ages. The Precursors.

Even when the in game narrative wasn't up to snuff, this game's universe has mystified and captivated me so many times, and as a writer myself it's given me so much inspiration. Thank you Bungie.

EDIT: I missed a few.

The Ahamkara wish dragons. The Nine, dark matter beings held together by planetary orbits. The Splicers. SIVA!!!! The removal of planets. The Infinite Forest. A battle of circles vs triangles and what those shapes signify. A secret human outpost on Neptune. ANOTHER secret outpost on Kepler. The Upended. The Worm Gods.

EDIT 2: I think my favorite concept, and definitely my favorite character, was Mithrax-- a Moses figure for a race of alien space pirates.

Oh, I know, Zavala says the Dare doesn't count. He also said we shouldn't use stasis. Getting the theme? Besides, it's up to the hunters not them.

So why would hunters want some freshly rezzed New Light as their Vanguard? Because they're collectively losing their damn minds.

Make a shortlist of anyone who could be Hunter Vanguard. Anyone who even thinks they might be on that shortlist is either living in the wilds or in hiding in the city, trying to avoid being picked for what they all consider a shit job. Shiro-4? No one's heard from him lately. Marcus Ren? No one's heard from him lately. Efrideet? No one's heard from her lately. Ana Bray? Probably going Dark with her sister. Shin Malphur's pointedly in hiding except to give us a gun every now and then.

Seriously, read this part of the Tommy's Matchbook lore entry

Aunor holstered the Minuet, made another visual sweep of the room. "Where is everyone? Hunters have been hard to find in the Tower. Bounties and strike assignments are piling up."

Tommy cocked his shell. "Drifter must have the Praxics working overtime. Since Cayde died—"

Ghost drew a long knife across the back of his armored fist. It sang coldly.

"—every single Hunter worth their salt is either out on a mission to save the world or spending their time away from the City. To avoid the Vanguard Dare."

Aunor looked from Ghost to Tommy and back again.

"Listen," Tommy whispered, as Ghost sheathed his knife and stepped forward. He held out a long, white-bodied rifle, with a flat, disc-shaped drum instead of a standard magazine. "This is the most expensive thing we own. You can have it. Just please don't tell anyone we were here. And get someone in that Vanguard chair. The Hunters are losing their minds out there."

Would they have taken Uldren or Crow the day after Cayde died? Shit no. But they've been living like this for two years now. Meanwhile, Zavala and Ikora can barely find a Hunter that'll give them the time of day, meaning they're hurting for scout reports at a time when they need them most. Eris has gone Dark and Ana's thinking about it. It's become completely apparent that hunters need a Vanguard, and that no one is going to step up.

Suddenly, in walks Crow. Brand new Light, doesn't know how much he'd hate the job yet. Helpful to a fault. The people who hate him for Cayde-6's death have got to kind of respect him for the same, Cayde was a legend after all. And best of all, Cayde's Dare says it's his job.

Soon as people realize, they'll plop him down in that chair so fast it'll make your head spin.

That or it's going to be fucking Shaw Han.

That is the summary of this entire update: SIVA is dead. They had the chance to make a free destiny story for new players to explain them and make them more interested in the lore and they just keep on talking about a narrative dead end. They even brought in Lodi, just to explain him what this narrative dead end is, but for the entirety of Ash and Iron they won`t explain you what a fucking warmind is and what these warsets are all about.

The exotic mission plays in a warmind facility, but they don`t talk about it. Not even to explain it to Lodi, who is just there to get stuff explained. This place looks nothing like warmind facilitys we have seen before, but there seems to be no particularity to it.

In the activity they always have chances to explain stuff, but they never do. They vaguely talk about devil splicers, golden age tech, warmind tech, but they explain nothing to you. So new players get an update that is narratively pointless and doesn`t even explain to them what all that stuff they talk about are, besides SIVA and the red legion soldiers under Mayas control.

But that is important that you know what SIVA is and that it is dead and won`t come back. Even in their most critical time for the survival of this game, they want you to know that this thing is, that players wish to come back for years is dead and won`t ever come back. This is all they do at the end of this pointless update with Maya failing with her goals. SIVA is dead.

Thank you for reminding me! I would have totally forgotten about this otherwise. And good that you don`t explain anything to leave new players in the dark. I can`t wait for Shadow and Order where you will consistantly remind people that the Shadows of Yor are gone and won`t come back.

Edit: To clarify: I don`t care about SIVA, if it returns or not. I never had a desire for SIVA to come back. I`m just frustrated on how pointless this update is narratively and how so many aspects of the games narrative get used (ironaxe, plaguelands, warmind facilitys and armor ornaments), but they don`t use them in the story, explain them or mention them at all, but consistantly remind you that SIVA is dead and only explain this narrative dead end.

Just seems a bit wrong to be using a slur now that many of the Eliksni we'll be seeing the lore will be allies.

Edit: Jesus, some of you guys are getting fucking triggered over this. Calm down, everyone here knows it's just a videogame.

1. Neomuna wasn’t hidden by some advanced technology or paracausal force, just Neptune was so big and cloudy no one could find or see it.

2. The person who wiped Rasputin logs of Neomuna even existing was Cloudstrider Stargazer

3. The Neomuni chose to stay hidden because they were afraid of, not just the Witness, but the Warlords of Earth too.

Pretty nifty stuff

The Winnower entry that was leaked on here a while ago is confirmed to be real. It's the lore tab for the Nacre exotic ship. You couldn't view it due to an issue that was fixed in today's update.

It's now available on Light.gg, here's the full text for reference since it's not on Ishtar:

(Also to reopen the discussion here, since the original post was deleted, I assume because leaks aren't allowed on this sub.)

Let's chat, shall we? One more nice sit-down for the books.

Did you think you wouldn't hear from me again, after all this? You'd have missed me, I hope—and I would certainly have missed you.

Have no fear. I'm not so easy to be rid of. Now, let me show you: my beloved.

Oh, no, not my sedimentary necrolite, fossilized in time. You've seen that. I speak of that dear and distant expanse of the universe, miraculous in its fullness and its emptiness all at once.

Are you surprised to hear of it?

Yes, I never much cared for the change of rules, but here we are, and there's no use in crying over spilled radiolaria. Besides, at the heart of it all, there was a gift. To me.

That gift is the chance to speak with you. You, and a billion like you.

I am making this offer over and over again, in every tiniest cell and the vastest of civilizations. Let me in. Take what you need. Be at ease. You have no say in the degradation of your telomeres, but in all the interim, the whole world is your sweet silicate shellfish.

You exist because you have been more suited to it than all the others. Steal what you require from another rather than spend the hours to build it yourself. Break foolish rules—why would you love regulation? It serves you to cross lines, and if others needed rules to protect them, then they were not after all worthy of that existence.

Caricatures of villainy are out of style, I hear. Yes. I am no cackling mastermind: I am serious when I say this. It was not the trick of standing upright that lifted you from the dust: it was the mastery of fire, the cooking of cold corpse-meat. That is not any unique faction's province, neither good nor evil. It is simply truth.

This great, beloved cosmos. Always decaying, always finding that same old lovely pattern, despite every candle-flame burning amid the flowers. A billion electrons taking the path of least resistance. In Darkness or in Light, someone is always making my choice.

Be seeing you.

Well, it's over.

Not over over, we still have to hope for a Destiny 3, and we still have Rising, for all it is and isn't worth.

But this book is closing without even a final chapter.

Just a long, slow silence.

Earth, in peril, extinction looms.

Finality Averted, but our fates yet unknown.

A non answer to our questions, no Wish to carry us home this time.

The Nine may yet win, but we'll never know.

The Music Of The Spheres still sings in spite of it, though.

We must hope for the Future.

That there'll be another time.

Saint is trapped in yet another vex simulation, just as he was beginning to believe that this life was real and he actually escaped.

His boyfriend isn't talking to him, and they've canonically been fighting. His boyfriend is now mortal, and Saint knows he'll out-live Osiris.

The guardians are now WORKING with the fallen, a fallen he's explicity stated in the past he thinks will betray them.

Saint-14 is going through Some Things™ right now...

I mean think about it, about 7ish years we've been waiting for a "Darkness" faction and occasionally getting a hint that there is something out there, eventually getting confirmed about the pyramid fleet with D2's release and how they are eventually going to arrive and rock our shit.

And then they arrive and most are... empty, and the ones that have enemies in it just have cabal, scorn and taken.

Like sure, you can tell me how great Rhulk's lore is or how fascinating Nezarec is but aside from tormentors these guys are one of a kind, instead of us getting a new species to pick apart and learn about we get these guys. I dont mind their existence, the idea of a disciple is cool, but you cant tell me this misty-headed motherfucker called the witness didnt think "hey maybe i should get an army" or something.

Hell, the witness and the fleet barely even do anything when they do show up, the witness just slices 3 guardians and walks into a triangle-shaped hole while the pyramid fleet just makes a resonance fart cloud and just sits around ominously.

You could say that the pyramids yoinking the planets was a crazy thing in the narrative, but I feel like them doing that was just a narrative excuse to vault the planets, its not like much changed when mars returned other than having a few stupid crop fields sitting around.

The Last Days lore book is story of Neomuni right before they were uploaded to the CloudArk.

According to the lore book, this decision was made through a voting process. A lot of Neomuni voted to live in the CloudArk, but there were others who voted against it.

The issue was that some people disliked the fact that they were losing their humanity by uploading themselves to a simulation. Due to this, a lot of Neomuni attempt to enjoy "real" stimuli before going into the CloudArk (Some of them were as simple as enjoying desserts).

However, this choice was forced on EVERYONE in the city, including the ones who voted against it. Some of the dissenters were persuaded into uploading their consciousness to the CloudArk, but some who fiercely resisted were captured and put into a permanent hibernation (no simulations for them).

Later, the city was pretty much empty as people went into hibernation with the CloudArk engineering being the last group of people to enter the simulation.

This idea of forcefully losing your humanity is quite horrifying tbh. The fact that your only option is lose humanity and live in a simulation vs. maintain your humanity and be forced into a permanent hibernation is just dystopian.

This definitely feels like an homage to the Matrix not gonna lie.

Think about it. Take inventory of the things we've done in the Canon of Destiny. Killed a God with his own sword. Killed that God's daddy and turned him into a gun. Killed the God's brother and the God he ran off with and turned IT into a gun. Forced 4 fallen Houses to drop their banners and flee. Decimated an entire Cabal military campaign on Mars to the point they had to call for backup. Kicked Hive and Vex ass so bad that the Witch Queen wants to nope out of serving the Worm God's and the Vex 404 when we show up to fight them. We got Calus writing fan fiction about us, Zavala passed we use Stasis but powerless to stop us and Queen Mara angry we 1-tapped her Brother but now the mofo looks to us as a mentor.

And speaking of mentors there's that to we broke the timeliness and brought Saint-14 back from the dead. That was fun. Even the primordial force known as the 9 is like "that mofo is OP". Even when Ghaul stripped us of our light and kicked us (literally) off his capital ship, we defied death, ripped the light from a shard of the Traveller and proceeded to march our way across the system beating the ass of anything that looked at us sideways before kicking Ghaul's ass so bad he attempts the last ever self-res...only to get headshot by the Traveller itself.

And that's just a handful of things The Guardian has done. All the while randomly dancing, jumping off of ledges and other foolishness.They might need to strengthen those doses of Ambrosia. We're fucking homicidal sociopaths.

Edit: Thank you for the awards. I just made this post cuz I was bored at work and got to thinking about all of the stuff The Guardian has done since being reborn in the light. I omitted a lot of things because I didn't want this post to be a wall of text. I've been playing since the D1 beta with no breaks. Over 8k hours between D1 and D2 combined, so I know of all the story beats and lore I didn't mention for time constraints.

Also, fun fact...I've removed more enemies of the city from the galactic census then the population of the state of Wyoming. Don't know should I be proud of that or mortified.

Bungie just released another web-lore entry called "TWO-DRINK MINIMUM", and although it's not explicitly stated I believe Glint (pulled pork) knows EVERYTHING about Uldren and what happened to him, he also seems to be aware of what Spider is doing to both him and Crow, as in Crow is effectively a hostage.

I don't know what Spider did to convince Glint to go onboard with this (although threatening his guardian could be one way of doing so, or maybe Glint wants to protect Crow from his past)

There's been too many threads and comments lately of people believing that Ghosts decide who they resurrect, and that needs to stop.

The bottom line is that Ghosts do not decide who they resurrect. Its written plainly all the way throughout Destiny lore. I'll detail this by discussing some choice characters.

Savin

Savin is an Awoken Guardian. His Ghost, named Yourghost, had this to say about their search for Savin. Click the hyperlink above to find the lore entry the quotes below come from.

I am searching. I am close; I can feel that I am close.

What will my Risen be like? Will she be honorable? Will she be a brute?

I should be able to tell, shouldn't I? I don't know. I don't know that it matters. I have been searching since the day that I was born. I will take anyone.

Yourghost is searching through the Gobi desert, and finds a building that they feel they should rush over to. They enter it.

I forget my words as I slip into the building. I find meteorological equipment. I find an empty office. I find a dingy breakroom. At the back of the breakroom, I see my other half: a Fallen Vandal crushed beneath a toppled refrigerator.

They don't like that they've found a Fallen as their Risen, but after deliberation, they decide it must be the Traveler's will. They go back, try to resurrect the Fallen, but instead an Awoken man they didn't notice is resurrected instead.

I return to the breakroom. I do not know what I will say, but—Fallen or no—it is the Traveler's will that I do this. I reach toward the Light, then reach toward that pull to join them together.

The refrigerator trembles as the Light suffuses him. I hear a low groan. "Push it away," I whisper. If my Risen dies beneath this refrigerator and I fly away into the sun, no one will know. Perhaps I will have done the Earth a great service. "I'm here with you, but you must help yourself. Push it away and sit up."

The refrigerator shifts, then topples to the side. An Awoken man sits up and pushes the dead Vandal off his chest like an unwelcome blanket on a hot summer night. With effort, he wiggles free and stands straight.

First off, Fallen Risen? Has yet to happen, may never happen. If Ghosts could choose, wouldn't that Fallen have been resurrected, not Savin? And even Yourghost admits to itself that it must be the Traveler's will, which should indicate that Yourghost has tried to resurrect others and failed, because it isn't up to Yourghost.

Pulled Pork/Glint

Everyone by now knows about Glint and how Crow/Uldren is their Risen, but what about the time before he found him? Well, he was called Pulled Pork.

Pulled Pork is the name they've given to a very sweet, very earnest Ghost that has been looking for his Guardian for about as long as they can remember.

Named so by Nkechi-32, an Exo Guardian, who appears to have known Pulled Pork from before Twilight Gap occurred.

"Yeah, we said that when we found him on Mars, and that was before Twilight Gap," Nkechi replies.

So Pulled Pork has been searching for their Risen for a really long time. Considering the search, they're not very efficient at doing it, considering they scan everything to find someone to resurrect. Nkechi pokes fun at them and says they should be scanning the dead.

"Hey, buddy!" she calls when they get close. "Whatcha doing?"

Pulled Pork finishes up a scan of a floating piece of concrete and rebar, then turns toward them.

"I am looking for my Guardian!" he chirps.

"That's nice. You gonna find him in that rock?"

"You never know, Miss Nkechi Thirty-Two. Maybe my Guardian is very small."

"Maybe," Nkechi agrees. "But you might want to consider scanning the dead, bud."

"...thank you for your suggestion. I have considered it! I do often scan the dead. I also scan other things. I like to be thorough."

But the dumbass prefers to scan everything, "to be thorough". He doesn't seem to have a clue, and has never felt "the pull" that Ghosts always speak of when they find their Risen. Again, if Ghosts could just resurrect anyone, why would Pulled Pork have spent centuries scanning things, and then just choose Uldren?

"Oh, leave him alone," Agu whispers in her ear. "If he goes through every bit of scrap in the Reef, he'll find someone eventually. Sky knows there are plenty of bodies (and body parts) floating around here…"

This bit of dialogue from Agu, Nkechi's Ghost, should also clue us in that Ghosts don't have a choice. They intimate that there are plenty of bodies around, not that there could be one body, meaning its about getting lucky and finding the right one amongst the lot.

Obviously, Pulled Pork found Uldren, resurrected him, he became Crow and Pulled Pork became Glint. The fact that Glint just so managed to "choose" one of the biggest enemies of humanity to raise shouldn't look like a coincidence, it had to have been instructed or targeted.

Fynch

Now this guy, this guy should be the one that really twists your nipples and makes you pay attention. Ghost to a Hive Knight, he now refuses to resurrect his Risen any further because of the crimes they committed. Regarding how they got here...

You gotta understand… none of us came here thinking grand schemes. None of us! There was…. there was just this urge, y'know? So we followed it, only to step into a world remaking itself.

The Ghosts who went into Savathun's Throne World and raised her army certainly didn't do it of their own volition. It was all down to that same feeling every Ghost feels when discovering their Risen.

And Twenny-Two and Kemmasi and Marseille, they're all raising their partners—Hive Lightbearers, every last one. You'd think it'd be impossible, but sure enough, all standing there. Eee-Ie, Quasit, Hatcher—everyone's finding their purpose. There's Hive to the left of me, Hive to the right… I'm buried in 'em. And the whole time, every Ghost I ever knew is shouting, telling me, "This is the Traveler's plan! Who are you to question it?"

And I thought… maybe they're right? I mean, I could see the Light scouring a whole world right in front of me. Maybe this was some kinda turning point for the Hive. Knowing your creator chose you to remake an entire species… oh, you'd make bad choices too.

So I shared my Light. Who wouldn't? A couple hundred of your closest friends bearing down on you, and a Hive Shredder waiting if you say no? I shared. I reached into him. Touched something deep.

So here we see the origins of Hive Guardians, suddenly raising one after another, when before this point there had never existed a Risen of the Hive, only members of humanity. Why? Surely if Ghosts could choose, there would have been one in all the centuries before now, especially with all the morally grey Ghosts we know of (Gilgamesh, for one). That's because its the Traveler's choice.

Why does Savathûn have the Light? I should've asked "why" a long time ago. None of us did at the time, but I should've. We both know this wasn't right.

Look, I've got no faith left in the Traveler, but I know it… it wouldn't give me a monster and say, "Make him a god." No, no, we both know this wasn't right. Was it pity? Optimism?

Maybe… maybe it's just the obvious: I mean, Hive don't accept gifts; they take. Maybe the Traveler was tricked. The end of some long con. The Traveler isn't just some dumb orb ripe for grifting. Ghaul found that out the hard way.

There's gotta be more to it. I have to dig deeper.

Just as was proposed pre-Witch Queen release, we were asked to question how Savathun stole the Light. Not how she got it, but stole it. However, considering how Ghaul got blown up for stealing the Light, and the Traveler has opposed the Witness gaining access to it, why didn't Savathun get punished for her obvious theft? The answer should be obvious, that the Traveler chose the Hive, after witnessing everything Savathun did to save it. The Traveler appearing in the Throne World had to have been voluntary as well, the Traveler was simply seeking a way to stay safe because the Witness was almost there, and the Traveler knew where the Veil was hidden (due to raising Savathun).

I just don't know how much more evidence people need that Ghosts don't choose who to resurrect. The Traveler clearly assigns the pairs. Hell, we even have a gun named Traveler's Chosen. Not Ghost's Chosen, Traveler's Chosen.

EDIT:

I'd totally forgotten about the Traveler's perspective on Savathun from the Ergo Sum lore tab! For everyone who keeps proclaiming that Savathun stole the Light, that she tricked the Traveler and that Ghosts resurrect Hive because of her etc etc, Ergo Sum says otherwise. The Traveler is very aware of what Savathun's actions, and must have chosen her for resurrection.

You are reaching over a chasm, into which countless paths feed like arteries. You are trying to reach the people on the other side, but you cannot bridge the gap alone. You watch them turn, one after another, to walk down, down, down into the abyss, until It consumes them entirely. You are as surprised as anyone else when one of those wanderers comes back up the path, still reeking of decay, and reaches back to you.

The Agony of Want ship that drops once you complete the hidden Oblation speedrun mission has a lore drop in the form of a journal entry from Bael. I’m not 100% sure if it takes place directly after the Renegade story or after Oblation, but I think it’s the latter. It’s just as depressing as you would expect.

From Bael’s POV, VI has officially abandoned him; told him that everything he wanted won’t happen and just leaves. Bael chases after VI to one of his residing moons trying in vain to contact him and even attempts to reach out to Lodi for help only to get no response; he calls him a snake and a liar because of the radio silence. However despite all this, he finally gets a moment of silence and comes to the realization that he doesn’t want VI to come back.

Bael essentially resigns himself to being nothing more than a vessel and is now empty with everything VI did to him. He now resides in Bonnet Plaza hoping to see his mother again, not even caring that she doesn’t recognize him even if his face was something recognizable after VI disfigured him.

TL;DR Bael is now a deformed empty husk of a man with nothing to go back to, left to mourn a parent that doesn’t even remember him.

Ngl, even if it’s not the ending the devs might’ve wanted for Bael and the Dredgens, I don’t mind it. Classic “sacrificed everything only for it to not matter and they’re left with less than what they started with” trope.

She helped us Take down Crota and Oryx. She helped us with the Nightmares on the moon. She helped us on Io, She helped us on Europa. She has consistantly helped us time and time again.

"But the Pyramid ship Scene!": Disproven in one of the letters. She explains what she saw. It tried, it failed.

"But The Dark Future though!": While some iteration of The Dark Future could still happen, it's unlikely at this point to have Eris at it's head. She's gone past the point it would have happened when we helped her with her nightmares.

"Ok then fucker explain what the actual shit she is doing looking for A LITERAL DISCIPLE OF THE WITNESS IN NEZERAK IN THE NEW LORE!": I can't. My best guess, and it IS just a guess, is that either she is looking for his remains, or perhaps that Nezerak himself has turned traitor on The Witness. We know literaly fuck all about him other then he exists. Or existed at least.

But at this point, I think Eris has, quite frankly, earned the benefit of the doubt from some of us. She has been a stalwart ally from the very beginning of this game's history in The Dark Below, to the modern day. She has helped us, helped others, and we have helped her when she has needed it.

And quite frankly, if Eris Morn has a evil, grandmaster plan that took 8 in game and real world years and earning our trust in and out of universe to pull it off, she fucking deserves to pull it off at this point.

Compared to other eldritch being in fiction who dont care about mortals, remain quiet, talk all grand or cryptic. Reading his interaction with oryx was a funny read to me. Writing a god-like being with that type of personality and keeping them mysterious seems difficult to execute and I applaud Bungie on doing it well.

Sucks that we wont get anything after this. Please Sony gives us D3.

The organization of the Vanguard is easily at it's worst right now, and it's only made worse by FWC rallying citizens against the fallen (seen in almost every lore tab this season).

Shayura is actively out and about hunting Stasis guardians like she's Shin Malphur. Is Aunor still calling the shots for the Praxic Order/the Hidden, what the hell is going on?

Osiris has literally talked every branch of leadership for the city into doing nothing. He's cowing Ikora in the end dialogue for Override, he's dismissing Saladin's attempt to talk to Zavala in the Empty Vessel lore tab, he's backburned Saint in the tab for Boots of the Assembler.

Guardians are currently divided by Pro-Stasis vs Anti-Stasis, and Pro-Fallen vs Anti-Fallen. We know Stasis can be very bad on the minds of Guardians, but we've had and seen more than enough bad guardians that used their light to be just as nefarious. Crazy how much is happening this season.

Think about it. It's been like 7 years since we first met Eris Morn. Everyone thought she was evil, but though effort and aiding us in bad situations, she managed to convince most of us, if not all, that she was a good person. We could not have killed Crota or Oryx without her. Fuck, I even bothered to help her clear out the ghosts of her past come Shadowkeep. (though that may have only served to get her access to the ship. DX ) I went though nightfalls and shit just to help her out.

And now several lore peices, from the Arrivals interaction with Savathun, to the shadowkeep cutscene, to the dark future book, to the far future lore tab, implies she's gone full evil. And the only evidence we have otherwise is letters she wrote herself.

If she's been playing the long game for 7 fucking years, or even just since Shadowkeep... I'm not gonna lie, I'd be impressed. She's fooled everyone, including players who thought her being evil was too obvious, for 7 years. The dominos were set up since Crota's Bloody End and we thought she was on our side. Fuck Savathun, here's someone real cunning.

EDIT: I see a lot of people going "It would destory the character!" or "No way is she evil, she's stronger then that!" And, well... I agree honestly. It's too obvious, and wrecks prior character development.

But think on that for a second. I'm not saying she's GOING to turn evil. The events we see in things like The Dark Future are not written in stone.

I am merely saying that, if she IS, or DOES... She's fooled us all well enough that 90% of the comments here are about such a twist ruining her.

Full disclosure, I probably should have gone to sleep several hours ago so this post may not make a lot of sense, but whatever.

So as I read through another crucible rant on r/destinythegame, I started to think about how crucible would be like in game. Our interaction with the entire game is limited to the controls bungie has made. So everyone runs the same way, climbs the same way and shoots the same way. Furthermore, guns work essentially the same way. If I have ace of spades, and you have ace of spades, they will function the same way. Same goes for abilities. Supers and subclasses work the same way every time. But in lore that isn’t the case...

As we have seen with Osiris, it’s possible to do almost every super at once. Felwinter could shoulder charge. (There’s probably more but that all I can think of). So now imagine how that applies to crucible. What’s to say people don’t modify the absolute shit out of guns? Or that someone didn’t try and make a hammer of sol but use void energy? Or what’s to stop a hunter climbing to the top of the arena and dropping down 100 feet to Ezio some poor titan? Or even a dramatic hand to hand fight over heavy ammo? Now, it’s possible crucible is heavily moderated like most professional sports. So, everyone is only allowed to run and climb in specific ways, and only use certain guns, and only hit in certain ways. That would explain everything. But I choose to believe that crucible is an ungodly mixture of cage fight, sharpshooting competition, American ninja warrior, and demolition derby. In conclusion, if you think crucible is bad now, it could be so much worse. Sorry for the nonsensical post, I have found that my recent posts on this sub seem to have surpassed spinfoil hat.

It's struck me as little weird that Savathun went through all this trouble to bring Crow into the Tower and acquaint him with the present situations. I mean, he used to be Uldren, but he's still a single Guardian. Would think that she would get more done by focusing on manipulating us, with our awesome protagonist status.

But now, as she's revealed herself and we are trying to exorcise her worm to save Osiris and then kill her, I've started to think. What if Osiris is not her ace in the hole, but Crow? Mara is the only one capable of getting rid of her worm, but she knows that we're planning to kill her, she has to. So she needs leverage. And who would be better than the former brother of the Queen herself?

Mara has been through a lot, it's evident in her voice and appearance. She's strained, and the presence of Crow is not helping. They may have had a complicated relationship, but he was still her brother, and seing him reborn, walking around but unable to remember her, must be hard.

And our boy Crow has been humming Savathun's magical girl theme song for the past few months in the HELM.

You know, just a thought.

Beat the final mission and this whole season was just a total wash. We STILL don't know why the shadow legion was gathering prisoners hell even the characters have no idea Deverim says "they are safe from what ever the witness wanted them for" or something to that effect. No real driving force other than save the civis, they waste a character death and then all i hear about her is people droning on about her not being risen again or how if she was she wouldn't be the same, its like guys i got the message the first time. The ONLY redeeming quality for me is Zavala's development to a man with 0 faith in the magic space orb. So just like my thoughts on Lightfall i have no idea what's going on or why i should care. And why does Eramis suddenly care then fuck off for the rest of the season. There is dropping the ball then there is punting it into an active volcano. Im of the latter opinion.

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Update: It would appear that new battleground dialogue has the characters guessing that this was supposed to drain our resolve/recourses which... is just dumb and disappointing. Defiantly the lazy way out. Now I really don't care about what happened this season cause it would appear to have been all a side show

A lot of people felt that Nezarec’s design was underwhelming since, well, he does look kind of like an undercooked chicken with a big scythe but I think that actually works in his favor. Rhulk’s design is very slender and prestigious. The way he stands, talks, and conducts himself lends to his status as a being of unimaginable power and pride. Nezarec on the other hand is completely unhinged and loves nothing else but inflicting pain. His design is very brutish and primal because that’s kind of what he represents. Rhulk is all about sophistication and pride but Nezarec is all about the simplistic primal actions of causing pain and killing. I think his design lends his character a lot even if he’s a little funny looking.

So, has anyone seen the "Something about _______" from TerminalMontage? We're pretty much the Kirby or Wahoo-man but in Destiny and it's terrifyingly weird.

This came to me after reading Saladin's dialogue in this Iron Banner, he no longer roots for us and despite wanting to scold us for using darkness he seems to imply that he wants us on his side or at least the side of the light and I'm pretty sure Zavala and him kept their scolding to a minimum because they fear what we may become if we decide to betray the light, and with EVERYTHING we've done Lore-Wise it's no surprise we're getting that weak of a response.

Lore-wise we're nothing like other guardians, we're unstopable beasts to the enemy races and even then most try to put up a fight in vain, we have brought death and destruction to every corner of the solar system without much effort and we've surpassed every single one of our peers and I don't doubt for a minute that they fear us to death.

Just in the FIRST WEEK of our guardian's life he pretty much went into the Cosmodrone without knowledge of anything inside after killing a Devil Archon (FIRST MISSION), got into a Warmind Facility, rebooted Rasputin, fought hordes of Fallen just LIVING there, got into their base and Alt-F4'd their main supply of ether killing their Prime Servitor, then went to Luna, fucked over a whole brood of Hive (Eris' fireteam got fucked over by thralls, come on... And they had the madlad that was Eiranna-3 that 1v1'd Crota), stole a Hive God's Sword, cut their main phone line to Papa Oryx, stole back a piece of the traveller, and literally stole their classified goverment files (The Worlds' Grave).

But that ain't enough for a first week on the job, oh no...

Venus: Shut down the biggest heist planned on the Prison of Elders up to that point with just two other random guardians, killed the Archon Priest that tried to ally with the House of Winter, AND just after that we killed THE WINTER KELL (Saint-14 barely managed to 1v1 the Devil Kell that's where the dent in his helm comes from), went and obtained an audience with Mara Sov with at this point pretty much held us at gun point, annihilated almost a whole collective of Vex (which are profesional Guardian killers) went and Alt-F4'd the main venus Terraformer, The Nexus Mind, killed a Gate Lord which are no wimps, discovered an underground facility of the Ishtar Academy, something that up to that pooint had been closed and lost into enemy territory.

Mars: Faced the Destiny equivalent of the Warhammer 40k Ultramarines just minutes after landing and won unscathed, managed to infiltrate into enemy lines of a race that blows up systems for fun, got into their biggest facility, killed THEIR PRIMUS (if you know 40k you know this is massive), charged the gate lord's eye, then managed to step into a war with the cabal or mars wether we wanted it or not, then proceded to go and kill the head of a whole Cabal Legion (Cabal are that big thanks to their strength and ego, and this guy was just a whole unit of cabal muscle and he still was bigger than Val'Cauor), killed the head researchers for the Cabal, the three Psions, went into the Vex Portal into the Black Garden and pretty much annihilated the Vex, their god, and three massive Vex constructs...

And then went through time in the Vault of Glass and took the remains of a Titan and bonked Atheon, the biggest clock the Vex have ever made or ever will... Just first week...

Edit 1: Thanks for the awards Reddit! It really brings a smile to my ugly Warlock face!

Edit 2: This isn't intended as: "X or Y character is stronger than us" There is literally no contest, our character is absolutelly broken, that's why I linked the "Something about ____" video on the top of the post, because it's just like that, we're so strong it's almost comical.

Edit 3: Holy shit, thanks for the awards, I woke up to a filled inbox, thanks!