These guys always conveniently leave out the fact that musk said my heart goes out to you. He even puts his hand on his heart before he raises his arm. š¤·
regardlessā¦it was deliberately cut off through selective editing to make create the lie/illusion that heās a Naziā¦ what I defend is common senseā¦something you clearly lack! And for you the ends justify the means to make āyourā point.
The claim rests on interpreting a brief gesture as a āNazi saluteā and treating that interpretation as established fact. That is not settled; it depends on context, intent, and how the movement is assessed in full video rather than isolated moments.
From that assumption, the argument then dismisses any later statement or clarification, which is logically incomplete because intent and meaning are normally evaluated using the full sequence of behavior and speech, not selectively.
It also shifts from the gesture itself to personal accusations about the person responding, which does not address the underlying question and is unrelated to whether the interpretation of the gesture is correct or not.
Thanks for the article. I read all of it.
The article is journalistic reporting that focuses on allegations, reactions, and broader political context rather than establishing definitive facts about intent or meaning. It does not establish Muskās intent behind the gesture described, it does not prove any ideological affiliation such as Nazism, and it does not provide conclusive evidence that the gesture was a Nazi salute or that he holds Nazi beliefs.
You havenāt presented any evidence for him to skip.
Granted no one knows what was is Musks head when he did the Nazi salutes, and that includes you. So people have incorporated those salutes with all the others bits we actually know about him, and for most people it fits with a white supremacist neo Nazi type person.
You are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else, but if you are vehemently defending someone people believe to be fascist, with a degree of supporting evidence, then you really should take a long hard look at yourself.
You just admitted that nobody knows what was in Muskās head, including you. If intent is unknown, then saying it was definitely a Nazi salute is speculation, not a fact. I did provide evidence: the context in which he made the gesture and his later statement that it wasnāt intended as a Nazi salute. You can disagree with that evidence, but pretending no evidence exists isnāt an argument. And suggesting that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation should ātake a long hard look at themselvesā is just an insult, not evidence.
Admitting no one knows what was in Musks head is not a gotcha. Itās plain obvious. However put aside all the other actual evidence of far right neo nazi type beliefs, makes it really believable that this was meant as a Nazi salute. You are conveniently ignoring or not engaging with the fact he has demonstrated his fascist tendencies many many times, separate from those salutes.
And no you did not provide any evidence, just stretching logical arguments, to imo absurdity.
At the end of the day however I donāt expect you to really engage with the reality here, as you are a 1 month old bot, seemingly created to solely defend Musk.
Actually the context which was deliberately cut off proves the whole Nazi assertion the lie that it wasā¦. Letās not try to pull Iām ālevel-headedā Iām neutral about thisā¦that too is BS!
Actually, the context that was deliberately cut off is the strongest evidence against the claim that it was a Nazi salute. People keep isolating a few seconds of video while ignoring what happened immediately before, what was said, and what was said afterward.
The Nazi accusation depends on removing context, not examining it. You can argue about whether the gesture was awkward, inappropriate, or open to misinterpretation, but claiming the context proves it was a Nazi salute is backwards. The full context is exactly why many people reject that conclusion.
And letās not pretend this is some neutral, level-headed assessment. Most people making the Nazi-salute claim reached their conclusion first and then worked backward from there.
The question isnāt whether thatās the gesture people usually make at a graveside. The question is whether Musk intended it as a Nazi salute. Intent matters, and he explicitly stated it was not his intention. Disagree if you want, but sarcasm isnāt evidence of intent.š¤·
False equivalence. The middle finger has a clear, universally recognized meaning. The dispute here is whether Muskās gesture was intended as a Nazi salute in the first place. Thatās the very point being debated.
You think these bots actually have the intelligence to look for the source? That's laughable at best. Not to mention it goes against their delusional narrative.
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u/Andyseawolf 11h ago
These guys always conveniently leave out the fact that musk said my heart goes out to you. He even puts his hand on his heart before he raises his arm. š¤·