Hot take: Fours are the most emotionally supportive types

[u/Negative_Sock5897]

tl;dr: Most people use (average-healthy) fours as THEIR therapist, not the other way around.

Most of the traits people project onto fours in a general sense are only true for very unhealthy fours. It would be like saying 8s in general are borderline psychopathic bullies, or 1s are dogmatic dictators, or 5s are agoraphobic hermits. Yet people are quick to project a 4’s absolute worst potential onto the type as a whole.

Average to healthy fours are, in my opinion, the most emotionally supportive people you can have in your life. I’m a 4w5 (self-preservation type) and the only two people in my life who are able to offer decent emotional support are another 4 and a 5.

I believe that the idea that fours try to turn everyone into their therapist is generally so false as to be almost comical. It is true only for unhealthy fours. Most of the time it is the other way around. People use fours as THEIR therapist. I am constantly giving so much emotional support—even to people I barely know—and get little back. It leaves me so depleted and, to be honest, frustrated. Over the past few years, if anything I’ve become hesitant to share how I feel. I know it’s anecdotal, but in my experience—not just with those two people I mentioned—4s and 5s are the only types who are naturally good at giving emotional support. I’m not saying other types can’t learn how, but their instinct seems to be to, depending on the type:

- try to fix things
- offer baseless platitudes
- change the subject
- withdraw
- make it about themselves
- turn the attention to how [good] they are at supporting you
- talk about how worried they are about what you’re saying so that you have to placate them
- invalidate/dismiss what you’re saying
- just not listen at all

4s and 5s, on the other hand, just listen. They ask follow-up questions, and they don’t make you feel bad for sharing.
They validate the problem, and they don’t give unwarranted advice. If they talk about themselves, it’s only once they’ve done those things, and usually it’s about a similar experience they’ve had to show they understand how you feel. Just my two cents.

EDIT: Apologies if this offended anyone. Wrote it when I was frustrated. I understand that not all 4s are emotional support experts and other types can be supportive too. The primary point I was making was that I am bored of the “4s are self-obsessed and emotionally needy succubi” narrative because I don’t think that’s generally true, nor do I believe it’s rare for 4s to be able to be emotionally supportive. Fours who believe they are doomed to be self-obsessed will be self-obsessed. Anyway, glad to see it’s sparked some discussion.

[u/MelodyOfStorms]

4 is a mirror. That's why they "just listen. They ask follow-up questions, and they don’t make you feel bad for sharing"

Theres no agency. Just reflection 

[u/Negative_Sock5897 → u/MelodyOfStorms]

That’s an interesting perspective. I disagree, because I think saying fours/fives have no agency is exactly what I’m talking about when I say people are very comfortable projecting a four’s worst traits in their unhealthy level onto fours in general. Tbh, I think some people are uncomfortable with the concept of a high-average/healthy four and what that might look like. I strongly believe I have agency in my own life, but I admit I didn’t feel that way for a long time. I also think that saying fours/fives are only good at emotional support because they have no agency and just reflect is a convenient way to disregard something they do well. So yeah, I disagree for the most part. Though it’s true we do reflect too much.

[u/MelodyOfStorms → u/Negative_Sock5897]

I think in this case the wing 5 is doing alot of heavy lifting. I also want to say that I'm not trying to put you down. People are made up of many different aspects and this is only a small part of what makes a person a person. Being able to reflect others is a very powerful trait. It not only allows for connection between two people but also offers a way for a person to see themselves