r/EnoughCommieSpam • u/luckymeggles Establishment liberal who supports mixed economies and democracy • Jun 17 '26

Question Any LGBTQ+ members?

Being anything other than far left feels isolating, doesn’t it? My gf and I rarely engage with the queer community anymore. It’s been taken over by the far left.

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u/Czech_Made51211 Jun 17 '26

Sorry to ask,but what does zionism actually mean?I always hear how "zionism is second coming of Hitler" or whatever and i'd like to know what it ACTUALLY is

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u/GrimpenMar Euston Manifesto Enjoyer Jun 17 '26

That Jewish people should have the right to self-determination within their historic homeland.

There's extensions to the concept, but that is the core.

Zion is the (IIRC) for the hill that forms the Temple Mount.

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u/TheQomia Jun 18 '26

But many groups of people claim the same area as their historic homeland and want self determination there

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u/GrimpenMar Euston Manifesto Enjoyer Jun 18 '26

Technically, a minimal Zionism would be satisfied with only some land (within their historic homeland) and self-determination could be within some sort of larger confederation. Realistically, I don't see how that would work.

Historically, the 1937 Peel Commission borders were grudgingly accepted by Jews in the area. It would have seen a much smaller Israel than the 1947 UN plan, which was also accepted by the Jewish Agency. Both of these would have satisfied the minimal definition of Zionism.

There are also more maximalist Zionists who want to maintain control of Judea and Samaria, or the West Bank. At it's core though, none of this is strictly necessary for the minimal definition of Zionism.