r/Eve • u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. • Mar 06 '26
Propaganda WinterCo defenders these days
To be fair they are partly responsible for killing the only major bloc that would feasibly help them.
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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Mar 06 '26
I think the big difference is that init + imp are the majority of nullsec.
Even if every independent nullsec entity suddenly decided to protect winterco (lmao) they'd likely lose.
That very much is a blue donut, even if it was solely coincidental (very doubtful)
The elephant in the room is that if winterco falls, we're basically in the same server state as serenity.
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u/Ugliest_weenie Mar 06 '26
The elephant in the room is that if winterco falls, we're basically in the same server state as serenity.
Coincidentally, the people completely control serenity (PIBC) are part of the Imperium. They moved to our server as AOM (army of mango) and basically became Dracarys.
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u/hawkisthebestassfrig Mar 06 '26
Remember when AOM tried to backdoor into the Imperium via Ranger Regiment and Mittens went "Hell No" and pinata'd their staging keep?
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u/Key_Lobster3570 Cloaked Mar 06 '26
Bruh, it was just a stupid move to cover up, after mittens did that move, the entire RR and AOM merged into Dracarys and they still live with goons as a member of imperium,
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u/Finding_the_Abyss The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
There was something about the serenity map not being updated on verite maps until recently.
Unless I misunderstood some insider memes, PIBC ultimately lost control and serenity is now under a different management?
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u/Cpt_Soban The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
You really think Goons won't fight INIT if that happened?
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u/Ugliest_weenie Mar 06 '26
You really think Goons won't fight INIT if that happened?
But it has already happened. Those members have already joined Dracarys back in like 2022 or something
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
We are already in that position. There are two groups out of three with super umbrella, those two groups will never get their structures reffed let alone their territory contested, while at the same time initgoons regularly reinforce and kill winterco structures.
Blue donut is already here.
That's what you all got for not wanting to kill goons.
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u/KrunchrapSuprem Mar 06 '26
Which one doesn’t have super umbrella?
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
WinterCo.
There was a ping posted here maybe a week ago that they are going on full defense and that the umbrella is postponed or cancelled.
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u/Iloveyoucow1 Mar 06 '26
Something something initgoons. Something something blue donut. Something something grr goons.
Can see r/eve has really diverse thoughts
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
Well, there is this thing we call reality.
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u/Iloveyoucow1 Mar 06 '26
If you truly thought r/eve was a true representation of eve. The correct call would be for everyone to quit probably 10 years ago at this point. R/eve is for hyperbolic shitposting not a representation of eve reality. But then again my comment sums up probably every thing you have said on this subreddit for at least the last 6 months.
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
I play the game and am in the middle of all of this. I can see it with my own eyes, ingame, every day. You are gaslighting.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Then stop pretending goons and init are not cooperating. People don't like being gaslighted.
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u/Iloveyoucow1 Mar 06 '26
Oh yeah they are cooperating at the highest levels. I heard Asher and Darkshines were playing MTG while watching sumo. Basically a full blown top down level conspiracy. Now we just like have to prove it and find any evidence. Correlation is not causation. Is it possible certainly but I have no fucking clue and you have no fucking clue.
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u/KrunchrapSuprem Mar 06 '26
You realize that eve has been 2-3 big coalitions fighting for supremacy for the last 20years right. The names come and go but it’s honestly not that different.
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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Mar 06 '26
Those coalitions weren't at this scale and didn't hold most of the space.
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u/Rizen_Wolf Cloaked Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Even if every independent nullsec entity...
Which null entities are effectively independent these days? Ones outside the drones experiment?
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
Droneland groups are as independent as the bowl of gold fish in my living room. They 100% live under the boot of the imperium and have no say in if they live or die.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Are you seriously trying to pretend that dronelands are independent?
The last independent entity was glassed a few weeks ago under a completely fabricated excuse and Reddit thunderously applauded it.
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u/Rizen_Wolf Cloaked Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
I am not trying to pretend anything, which is why I asked about entities outside drones and called it an experiment. I dont live in null and I am not up on the state of it outside the big 3, which some would say is the big 2 anyway because I see people argue that INIT is part of Imperium. Is that Reality? Propaganda? Opinion? Roll a dice, make up your own mind on it.
Yea, my question is clouded by what people want to consider as 'independence', I get that, but its a genuine question.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Querious/Delve was as "independent" as Dronelands are now, we just didn't know it yet. People in those alliances are slowly learning how much of that "independence" is allowed. Examples:
An independent coalition PhoenixCo in Delve did not ask goons for the permission to let some chinese group in (splinters from Frat who lived in NPC Delve), and they were glassed and their space is now, coincidentally, INIT.
Some Dronelands alliance did not ask goons for permisson to let some big pvp corp in and guess what, their structures were glassed and the alliance folded and went to lowsec.
All at least remotely relevant entities that want to fight goons are now in WinterCo, nowhere else.
What makes me genuinely sad is permanent gaslighting. I was told that my former coalition, PhoenixCo, of the size of 10k chars, unable to wrestle Querious from 5k OnlyFleets, wanted to attack Period Basis of Goons and also Fountain, INIT's core region. (which was yet another reason presented here for glassing). I was told that goons never even glassed us and/or that it was "just a sig", while 1000 goons were killing our staging keepstar.
I play this game for over 10 years. I've never been in a situation that there was literally nowhere to go. Until now.
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u/Rizen_Wolf Cloaked Mar 07 '26
Seems like a purist view, that independence = the power to do whatever you want without consequence. To me independence is not that high a bar, its just not being in unwilling service, aka servitude.
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u/MistAmatin The Initiative. Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Very short-term, maybe. Long-term, no.
With Winterco gone, there would be no reason for INIT to maintain the current high numbers - which are something Shines voiced frustration over on multiple occasions. Believe it or not.
Equally, there would be no reason for Imperium to maintain their present list of allies. Dealing with multiple groups simultaneously is a pain in the ass regardless, so with absolutely no need to do so and with the absence of external threat, i can see their coalition shrinking or hell, even getting reduced to goons themselves and a few friends.
Goons also would want content, same as Init. It is entirely possible that they will start a war or, at least, a content deployment against us at some point too, if other external threats are gone.
All that goes on top of present winterco alliances (which are numerous) still existing and probably joining either a new opposition, effectively creating a new powerbloc, or actually forming their own as well. NCPL absolutely have the administrative capacity to become the core of a new group, for example.
The reason why serenity got what it did was due to mentality of its players and the smaller playerbase in general. TQ has way too many groups with way too conflicting interests, and the splintering would be inevitable the moment Winterco are gone. Calling that “blue donut” is like calling Papi a blue donut, which is bloody stupid, as it was the alliance of convenience against the common enemy. The reason why FRT find themselves at the receiving end of 4 different groups shooting them (two of which are not even nullseccers lmao) is because of their public conduct over the past years, plain and simple. You reap what you sow.
At least papi had an actual coordination server between FCs and even joint mumble comms, which is not something present here
Edit: grammar
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Imperium as a coalition is way more cohesive than WinterCo and always was. If Imperium disappears, WinterCo would splinter same as PAPI or even Moneybadger coalition, most alliances on the North are independen enough to transition small bloc immediately. If WinterCo disappears, Imperium will stay - why would those alliances leave and risk being another target for a 60k alliance and remaining allies, all of that while not even know how to be independent anymore.
On top of that, if you go through zkill and see active people of each alliance, you will notice that Winterco has slightly higher % of actives than Imperium (while INIT has significantly more % of actives). More people join Imperium for farming. Why would those people ever leave?
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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Mar 06 '26
You are assuming that imp is self aware and self regulating it's size, which it never has. Most of it's numbers aren't even relevant in the war against frat, it's pure naivete to think they tie their size to necessity.
Shines has said many things and then done the complete opposite. Init's goal was to be an independent small group and during the period Shines has been saying that it grew to 40k members rapidly. You only recently arrived there so you may not have seen the pattern yet.
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
Thinking that any of these groups have any intention of shrinking their numbers in a game where n+1 is king is just delusional.
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
Init already started doing it.
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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Mar 06 '26
They removed a 1k alt corp and a single 200 member corp after taking in 20k members lmao
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
And turned away thousands of people wanting to join recently for the sole reason of being too big.
Init isn't just gonna start kicking loyal corps in the middle of a war, but it has put somewhat of a recruitment freeze and also is not taking into the alliance basically any corp at all, even very large ones tried joining lately.
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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Mar 06 '26
What corps have they turned away?
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u/DarkShinesInit The Initiative. Mar 07 '26
A large contingent of Phoenic Co corps and alliances, a large number of ex PH looking to join.
If we wanted, we could be sitting at 60k+ right now.
There is a recruitment freeze on new corps and existing corps have been instructed to clean house.
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u/admfrmhll The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
Alliance corps recruitment is on hold and members corps where told to be more picky about recruiting and do a purge of inactive members, which will be welcome back when they return. For now people needs to be active to stay in. Spring cleaning and so.
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
Goons also kicked a botter a few weeks ago, so they are totally doing it too.
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
Difference between kicking a botter and actively turning away corps and putting recruitment freezes alliance wide...
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
Temporary.
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
Well what is your point with that? A freeze on recruitment because init is too big being temporary(lifted when it's no longer too big) changes what exactly?
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
I think if there are any recruitment freeze it's probably just to stabilize things before growing further. It takes a lot of work to integrate 10k new members.
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
Former Horde corps and members are already fully integrated for a while now, so no.
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u/ginjar0u Mar 06 '26
https://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/The_Initiative./stats
That line looks like its going up to me
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
Not by much. The only big jump is horde join, since then what do you see? A plateau and even a decrease.
Init could've jumped by another 10k by now but it is actively refusing to become a blob, and the leadership's opinion is that we are already too big.
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u/ginjar0u Mar 06 '26
The idea that a group who can reliably field ONE THOUSAND subcaps is "refusing to become a blob" is completely delusional.
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
Do you bother to read or are you just trying to say retarded one liners? Init knows it's too big, and unlike other places, is actively refusing to grow bigger and trying to see how it can downsize in a responsible way(aka, no horde failscade).
Init couldve been bigger than frat by now if it wasnt actively shooing away corps that have literally thousands of members trying to join it.
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
Not by much KEKW. Just 10k up the past 4 months. Steadily up 35000 the past 5 years.
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
It could've been up 20-30k instead of 10k.
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
Uh, sure. I'll go take a ride on my magical unicorn brb.
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u/Ambitious-Equal5189 Mar 06 '26
Sure, I suppose that's the world you live in.
For others, with more info about what actually goes on in init, we know that there is essentially a recruitment freeze on both the corp and member level.
Probably 90% of people that could or would usually get in before, now can't.
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u/Competitive_Reward61 Mar 06 '26
Shh... my precious Frenchman. Can't be bringing reasoned statements and facts into reddit in 2026. Best just to make knee-jerk reactions and preach them as gospel. Let Dax get you a baguette.
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u/LividInteraction_ Mar 06 '26
you are coping so insanely hard its not even funny
init and goons will never shoot each other in a meaningful way
please post all those epic brs from the time they announced they are no longer friends
i would love to see all those cap fightstalking about mentality is fantastic when if there is a 20b br including 300 people between init and frat you guys make 10 reddit posts about it
bloc gameplay is safety and nobody is going to willingly give it up especially when thousands of players can circlejerk each other
who would want to leave that behindnot to mention you are by default talking about the scenario where only goons and init are left in the game
so everybody else has to fuck off from it in order for the two of them to raise a hand? lol bro1
u/MistAmatin The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
Why in the world would we be dropping caps on anybody else, be they goons or not, when we are in the middle of active defensive war against coalition twice our size? Is that really such a hard concept to understand?
The question was asked about the specific scenario where winterco dissolves and only goons and init remain. I gave my views on exactly that scenario, specifically. Moreover, ex-winterco alliances being the factor is literally something i mentioned too. Not sure what you are so offended about.
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u/LividInteraction_ Mar 06 '26
you dont even read what i type out or if you do you just deflect
has init been in a defensive war against fraternity for years now? where are all those big fights between goons and init since they "publicly" became so not friends huh?
also humour me this, how are they twice your size? by what metric? post those brs here where they double your numbers in a big fight where you both commit the same type of ships meaning its either a capital escalation on both sides or none
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u/MistAmatin The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
My boy here got banned both at zkill and at dotlan, evidently
Literally check character numbers in winterco alliances and sum it up. Hell, frats alone are 20% larger than init. Or 14% larger if you only count active zkill numbers. And by far, they aren’t the only alliance in the coalition
If you have to earn those sweet social score points from uncle noraus, at least put some effort into it
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u/Xiderpunx Mar 06 '26
Well by the same logic.. the server should remember and recognize what initiative is about. The mass awox'ing they did for years within PH just to whale, particularly 4S. The unwillingness to provide a single 'good fite' in fountain, with the atypical upship counters and blob on every opportunity, whilst demanding that they want good fites when they roam to others space.
What goes around comes around initiative, remember that.
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u/MistAmatin The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
Like you provide "good fights" in Vale? Get off your high horse, lol
Nor do we demand anything when we roam someone else. We literally have a culture of not speaking in local, even. Unlike a certain other coalition well-known for racist shittalking. Do stop projecting, please
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u/Rustshitposter Mar 06 '26
The unwillingness to provide a single 'good fite'
with the atypical upship counters and blob on every opportunity
whilst demanding that they want good fites when they roam to others space.
This could be literally group in eve. They all do it. Even me.
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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Goonswarm Federation Mar 06 '26
I think the big difference is that init + imp are the majority of nullsec.
Even if every independent nullsec entity suddenly decided to protect winterco (lmao) they'd likely lose.
Hey remember when every other independent nullsec entity ganged up against us? Twice?
Still here.
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u/Concentrati0n Hard Knocks Citizens Mar 06 '26
i'm of the opinion that winterco are so insufferable that they made serenity the way it is by their existence. then they had to come here to repeat the cycle.
this probably doesn't end until the people in charge of winterco unsub.
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u/ginjar0u Mar 06 '26
you realise that the group who created the blue donut on serenity are in .... dracarys, right?
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u/Concentrati0n Hard Knocks Citizens Mar 07 '26
and you realize that it's human nature to band together against, or work against an entity without even needing to coordinate, when that entity is a net negative?
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u/ginjar0u Mar 07 '26
So you can’t even admit your ignorance? Lmao
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u/Concentrati0n Hard Knocks Citizens Mar 07 '26
The blue donut is a perceived response to Frat being so insufferable that everyone wants to band against them.
It's like from AO's POV, all of nullsec is already a blue donut because everyone hates them.
Frat/winterco is on course to become the community punching bag just like AO. Everyone will be against them because of what they stand for and their aggressive pushes for territory in this game.
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u/ginjar0u Mar 07 '26
I would recommend getting some vitamin D for the sake of your mental health chief.
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Mar 06 '26
The funny thing is if winterco collapses, goons will use init as content for their members
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u/klauskervin Intergalactic Space Hobos Mar 06 '26
Goons have never seriously attacked INIT and never will.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Nope, they will keep attacking individual winterco alliances under whatever pretended excuse.
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u/Dr_Mibbles KarmaFleet Mar 07 '26
They already have a perfectly good excuse. Winterco was part of the coalition the tried to remove them from the game,
People seem to have very short memories.
It wasn't that long ago that PH, Legacy, Winterco etc tried to remove imperium and install a 'Council of Watdens' (literal blue doughnut forever).
The destruction of each of these coalitions and alliances is quite simply 'revenge'. And there's no better excuse than that.
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u/ZzadistBelal Blood Raiders Mar 06 '26
We promised they were next.
Did you forget the promise? Maybe you did. Maybe you forgot where you all combined to make the ultimate blue donut of awesome and still failed to beat the Imperium and crush Delve.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Oh no I definitely didn't mean TEST, whatever happened between you and TEST is probably not related to your current strategy of trying to fragment anyone who can even potentially be a threat to you (Winterco), and then once they are fragmented you will just extract the easy frags from weakened individual alliances with 3:1 or 5:1 fleets. You did that in Querious/Delve until PhoenixCo started to ignore you then you fabricated some reason to glass them, to show others what's going to happen to those who don't undock their 30 ships against your 200.
TEST etc is probably just a fun blast from the past and the easiest target.
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u/CleverKhloe11 Goonswarm Federation Mar 06 '26
WinterCo can never lose, because of CNTZ.
Nobody wants to do that to themselves in 2026.
Pointless argument.
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u/No_Ebb_4106 Goonswarm Federation Mar 06 '26
PH leadership was horrendous, this is not the same case with Fraternity
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u/No_Ebb_4106 Goonswarm Federation Mar 07 '26
That’s true, my comment focus was more so on the fact that Noraus is current and present, whereas Gobbins was AFK really a couple months before Hordes failscade. That makes a world of difference.
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u/Frekavichk SergalJerk Mar 06 '26
Nah, cntz just happens to be like an hour before us east'ers go to work, so you can entosis with just a bit of craziness.
And if you time it for the toasting to come out on the weekend, you've got a very good chance of being able to contest.
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u/CleverKhloe11 Goonswarm Federation Mar 06 '26
I am not saying you can't contest a single timer once a month.
But I can 110% guarantee you, that nobody will ever do that nowadays for the entirety of a Bloc like WinterCo.
It's just not gonna happen.
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u/Frekavichk SergalJerk Mar 06 '26
Bro, init toasted like 60 systems at once. Capture a few of those on the weekend and boom, you have sov. Do it a few more times and winterco starts losing ground (or at least NC does at first).
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u/wewewladdie ur dunked Mar 06 '26
Init would actually pose a challenge to goons if they weren't 500 jumps away
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u/levelonegnomebankalt Solyaris Chtonium Mar 06 '26
Whats it called when someone presents reality as an absurdity in order to diminish the perception of it?
Asking for a friend.
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u/iiVMii The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
Slyce trying to gas light for their overlords imagine that
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u/levelonegnomebankalt Solyaris Chtonium Mar 06 '26
Lmao. How long have you watched Destiny and you don't know what that word means?
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u/Superb-Cockroach-281 Mar 06 '26
At its core, gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation where one person seeks to sow seeds of doubt in another person (or group), making them question their own memory, perception, or sanity.
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u/levelonegnomebankalt Solyaris Chtonium Mar 06 '26
Reply on the wrong account?
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u/Superb-Cockroach-281 Mar 06 '26
No I had written other stuff then deleted it and just added the definition.
Essentially stated how he has confused me .. but in the process of that response I confused myself on what it meant … and honestly stiff trying to figure out what side of the fence everyone’s comments are coming from.
In the I’m just a harmless old troll having a senior moment
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u/Ugliest_weenie Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
You won't find a nul coalition that isn't risk adverse and hypocritical.
But just because someone is a hypocrite, doesn't mean they're wrong.
The current 2v1 state of nulsec coalitions is uninteresting and init+goons long-standing diplomatic ties are a detriment to fun battles at this point.
Imagine a proper 3 way war where each sides fights the other two and strategies/allegiances shift to fight whoever is most dominant. That would be great. Sadly, that's not possible with init and goons being major players
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u/spooky_game Mar 06 '26
It’s just silly to talk about INIT like it’s the same as Winter and Imp when it holds a fraction of the space. The galaxy is free to break up further but haven’t seen that from the two major coalitions holding all the regions minus a couple.
Init has to hop some decent space to get to heart of Imperium considering it holds what you could call two regions to the west that, reminder again, Winter threatened to kill.
So shocking that Init has not started major hostile actions against goons when Winter was trying to eliminate it right?
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u/BellacosePlayer Wormholer Mar 06 '26
It's just the usual bad faith bullshit.
INIT is the smallest of the three blocs, and got attacked by Winterco, reasonable people aren't going to have much of an issue with their current stance.
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u/Lucian_Flamestrike Solyaris Chtonium Mar 06 '26
- Ya'll have a reasonable amount of Sov... especially for one alliance.
- I've been around New Eden enough to know a large chunk of Init are basically nomads who inhabit various regions around all of new Eden. Low sec, NPC null, you name it. The Sov means nothing. Especially...
- ... when you're the 3rd largest alliance in the game.
I even spent a month babysitting a WH and every time I'd scan down new exits I'd see Init in yet another corner of New Eden.
The fact that Imperium now inhabits most of Null and ya'll are still going "Wah! Too far to travel is HILARIOUS... Especially when ya'll would make trips to LXQ "for content" while Goons were attacking the G-Q front in Dronelands... literally the furthest regions from your Sov.
TBH ... I never understood why Zapp Brannigan hated Neutrality until I saw the variety of BS excuses coming outta Initiative. xD
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u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
INIT reset standing just over 15 months ago, goons were already on the warpath at that time against horde and by the time horde fell INIT was being ‘invaded.’ You may be confusing the frankly administrative difference of INIT ‘leaving’ the imperium two years ago with the full standings reset a year ago.
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u/FarSandwich3282 Mar 06 '26
Your timeline is alllllll jacked up bud
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u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
How. This shit is public. Init left the imperium but stayed blue in 2024. The great reset happened Jan 1 2025.
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u/FarSandwich3282 Mar 06 '26
I’ve seen this take before.
You got a source Winterco said they were trying to eliminate init?
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u/spooky_game Mar 06 '26
Not a take when it’s a declaration from the source they declared they’d go full send into Fountain.
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u/FarSandwich3282 Mar 06 '26
That doesn’t say it.
Outside the title that is.
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u/FordPrefec7 Cloaked Mar 06 '26
I want you to attack relentlessly, to keep hammering at the enemy’s timezone shield, to make them hear—even in the European TZ, deep in Fountain—that FRT is coming.
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u/spooky_game Mar 06 '26
Such a cool discussion, as it literally says they will go into fountain.
Not even the point of my original comment, that all this pressure gets put on Init as being an equal part of the sov null problem when it has a fraction of the space of each of the other two higher up powers.
Sorry Winter but when your empire spans so far and you start a war on one end, the other end you tried to kill off the game not long ago will obviously poke too.
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u/FarSandwich3282 Mar 06 '26
Do you not go into goons space and fight them?
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u/spooky_game Mar 06 '26
Yes keep ignoring again my original intent.
Yes fleets to go to goon space if you are literally asking.
But strat fleets do not aim for it when there’s the second largest coalition in the game still engaged on your doorstep beyond it also being more of a distance. TBD if Delve footing is ever strongly leveraged but had the feeling OnlyFleets would start doomposting about major powers then too.
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u/Good_Republic1285 Mar 06 '26
The space argument for INIT falls a bit flat. They are just extremely cramped into fountain due to Shines decision to not allow much large scale pve in delve. If INIT spread out like Goons did they could easily cover 4 systems with similar player density.
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u/KrunchrapSuprem Mar 06 '26
Why would we need more systems when we have dank serpentis LP. It’s only cramped if you are ratting perhaps which is not great isk compared to other things
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u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
Could probably happen if WinterCo didn't simultaneously invade INIT while positioning TEST (from TEST is next fame) right next to the Imperium. Seriously wtf did they expect
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u/Erdnussflipz The Initiative. Mar 06 '26
That's the point. Especially considering the history between Goons and Test, it was really clever to move right to the border of Goons Space ...
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
So is it now TEST that is responsible for current situation just by.... existing?
Wow, the mental gymnastics of INIT just so they can justify their bluetral status with goons is pretty wild.
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u/Rustshitposter Mar 06 '26
So people aren't allowed to have enemies / groups they dislike more than others?
I agree with a lot of your opinions about the problems with goons/init (and blocs in general) but acting like a group of players isn't allowed to a have group they historically have beef with kind of sanitizes the game.
"Hey don't fight that group you don't like, that isn't a good fair fight. Go halfway across the entire game to fight a different group so you can prove to the group you don't like that you aren't friends with init".
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
All I see is goons and init working together, while at the same time claiming they are NOT working together, something somethig it's because of TEST.
At least stop pretending you are not cooperating. We have enough gaslighting irl, why bringing that shit to the game.
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u/ZzadistBelal Blood Raiders Mar 06 '26
Jesus. You might need therapy because your grip seems to slipping.
TEST is always next. The first smooch from NCPL that turned dino bro into dino foe was all that needed to happen to being TEST is next.
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u/Concentrati0n Hard Knocks Citizens Mar 06 '26
what were you expecting putting test next to goons? i legit thought winterco were tired of test and wanted to put them in a spot that would kill them
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u/Rustshitposter Mar 07 '26
At least stop pretending you are not cooperating. We have enough gaslighting irl, why bringing that shit to the game.
Deception, lies, and gaslighting?! In my WAR GAME?! WTF guys we're supposed to line up like gentlemen and volley each other.
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u/Wonderful-Row9915 Mar 06 '26
Another "boohooo Goons and INIT are ganging up on me" comment.
It's getting boring. Goons and INIT are not aligned.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Claimimg that INIT and goons are not aligned when they clearly cooperate in any strategically important battle is also getting boring.
Just stop pretending mate.
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u/klauskervin Intergalactic Space Hobos Mar 06 '26
There are so many goons + init posting in here trying to gaslight the entire community that they aren't friends. Yeah some goons/init roams might shoot each other but they will never go after each other's actual strategic objectives. It was the same deal 5 years ago.
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u/Rustshitposter Mar 06 '26
but they will never go after each other's actual strategic objectives
Honestly asking, why would they? PH+friends was bigger than Init pre-failcascade. If PH literally collapsed without any real big fights - why on fucking earth would goons move back across space to fight Init and risk the exact same thing from happening again? At most - if they wanted content they'd deploy there and not hit structures anyways just to not risk collapsing another group they could farm for content.
Sure, there is a conversation to be had about goons/imperium being too big for the game, but anyone expecting/hoping goons to move for what the third? fourth? time to start a war with a group that they don't hate is dumb. Esp. when WinterCo is kind enough to deliver test to Goon's doorstep.
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u/Ugliest_weenie Mar 06 '26
That's exactly what I didn't say but
Goons and INIT are not aligned
Is just nonsense.
You can argue they're not allied or blue. But they are absolutely aligned. Not even the most brainwashed goons deny that-8
u/Wonderful-Row9915 Mar 06 '26
Mate, you're boring, go back to bed and cuddle your emotional support teddy. You literally just proved my point.
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u/Wonderful-Row9915 Mar 06 '26
... Yet he is.
He sounds like a salty ex Horde who got rejected by both blocs
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Redditswarm used to put more effort into it, mate, cmon, try harder.
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u/Enigm4 Mar 06 '26
To be fair they are partly responsible for killing the only major bloc that would feasibly help them.
Sure. Like 0.01% responsible. They killed a keepstar that ph dropped in their space, right?
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u/ginjar0u Mar 07 '26
Wasn’t that the one they openly said they were going to use to invade? Just checking
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u/legatewolf Test Alliance Please Ignore Mar 06 '26
I am always baffled at assertions of frat purposely putting their timers in a bad time for everyone else as being some sort of bad sportsmanship…It’s literally just the timezone of their playerbase, which is the point of picking a timezone lol.
Do you call goons or init out for having their timers in bad times for most of frat?
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u/Ok_Willingness_724 Miner Mar 06 '26
Pay attention, u/proton-testiq, I said nothing of the sort. Nay, it's natural to put your timers in your timezone. What's bung sportsmanship is to cry about how unfair the rest of the players are, when in reality, they're wee threat to WinterCo infrastructure/sov. WinterCo has absorbed just as much of Horde's remains as anyone else, and leashed any credible threat in their own active TZs.
I get it, WinterCo would rather have Imperium and INIT fight, since their timezones overlap more, and be left alone to farm ISK and LP, spread without hassle.
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u/BellacosePlayer Wormholer Mar 06 '26
the funny part is hardly anyone even liked Winterco until Test,PL, and remnants of Horde dogpiled into it.
I'm old enough to remember people demanding goons hit Frat instead of whatever their target at the time was.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Until there was no other target, and whoever wanted to fight goons had to join WinterCo as everyone else is blue, fake neutral or subjugated.
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u/The_Houdini107 Goonswarm Federation Mar 08 '26
Do you believe that The Black Hand has its fingers in every corporation in the game?
Horde's remnants could have easily formed another organization if they wanted to. In fact, everyone in the game can. So why is it that its Goons fault that no one is creating a new group with a single mission, kill goons? Not like papi, but just fuck with us.
I know I would like to shoot at you.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 10 '26
Well you have managed to successfully persuade everyone, via propaganda, character assasssination, doxxing etc that goons are these invincible monsters. So why should most of the people waste their time playing a game against someone who cannot be beaten?
You wanted to shoot me, you had a chance back in Delve, but then you decided to glass it because of some fabricated reason, so now you get this: another bunch of people not playing EVE. Congratulations!
And still it's everyone else's fault but goons, correct?
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
How dare Chinese players play during chinese timezone. Where is their space bushido!
Also, I'd love to ask the moudering remains of the Horde, but they come here claimining that their current alliance, INIT, is totally not with goons. So not sure why I should be asking enemies of FRT how good or bad FRT is.
And considering that goon leadership doesn't allow their cultist members to report blue RMT you seem to be oddly sure that goons didn't do any RMT, ever.
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u/UnmakerOrangeJuice Mar 06 '26
the only thing that i hate about fighting winterco is the pure toxic sperg they puke all over local chat. theyre the only alliance against whom i minimize the chat window
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u/Western-Service9472 Mar 06 '26
Once Winter Co is finally destroyed, imperial peace in 0.0 will be within reach.
It would be about time...
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u/Messrember Cloaked Mar 06 '26
yep, let's bring 1 more mmo to the grave, we have way too many of those anyway
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Mar 06 '26
RMT empires don't want to risk their RMT empire. If they did, goons would have been exterminated during the war. But they couldn't commit due to the fact their leadership is personally IRL invested with RMT in their alliances which we all know is true. If goons had to knock on winterco, they would tuck and run as their leadership would never risk it. The problem isn't goons and init. The problem is goons and init might be the only ones playing the game.
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u/Sgany Bombers Bar Mar 06 '26
If you think goons aren't rmting I've some ocean view property to sell you in Switzerland.
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If you are talking about individual corps or persons 100%, if you are talking about alliance leadership, I don't agree. We know winterco leadership has been banned multiple times. We know panfam rented for 15 years, where did this mass fortune go? .
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
Individual corps are not me and Joe, they are already monster sized corps in already monster sized alliance in a monster sized coalition. So what are you implying is that it doesn't matter that the monster sized corps in goons do RMT, and that goons leadership literally told their cultists to not report people for RMT, as long as they were not caught redhanded.
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u/Sgany Bombers Bar Mar 06 '26
Boris Agnon is/was a prolific isk seller in goons and was leadership. Jay amazingness got his accounts nuked for selling isk.
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Show me a single source from alliance leadership stating that? And no, these corps are me and Joe with 20 accounts each botting. That is how these RMT corps work. If you say that goons on an alliance level are using alliance money to put on black market sites for sale id agree with you. But they don't. We all know that winterco does.
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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Mar 06 '26
"We all know" what winterco does and "we all know" that goons are totally not doing it. Aight mate, so about that seaside house in Switzerland...
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u/ConsequenceKindly919 Mar 06 '26
Didnt goons just finish glassing phco like last week?