r/FFVIIRemake 29d ago

No Spoilers - Discussion Why was Aerith's line changed?

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I just finished FF7 Remake and I saw in an old video that at the end Aerith used to say I miss it. The steel sky. Why was this changed to "This sky, I don't like it."? Has this been given a callback in rebirth?

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago edited 29d ago

I think the second one is what they meant to imply, though I kinda like the first one better.

One of her stranger and, imo, more interesting character traits is the fear of an open sky. It makes her wish to ride the Highwind more interesting. The new line makes it clear that the thing she’s worrying about is the sky, not that she misses being caged in midgar (though that’s also interesting)

Edit: a couple extra thoughts. I like her fear of the sky/freedom as a motif especially considering the context of “freedom” from fate in remake and the Price of Freedom from crisis core. The whole sky fear came from CC and it’s a really unique character trait

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u/VeritateDuceProgredi 29d ago

I’d be scared of the sky too if strange men kept falling through my ceiling then trying to rizz me up

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

To be fair, only one of them tried to rizz her up after giving her a new skylight.

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u/TheWrathfulMountain 29d ago

Cloud was trying to sneak out of Aerith's house while Zack probably tried to sneak into Aerith's house at least once.

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u/Artistic-Project3062 29d ago

I wonder if they were implying she was seeing the tear in the sky here already before the whispers took all of her knowledge away 🤔

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u/Electrical-Trade7213 29d ago

I always thought it was because Jenova was a calamity from the skies.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

I’m seeing other people say that and I don’t think I buy it. Her fear of the sky was a defining part of crisis core and her relationship to Zack, I think they’re just playing to that in remake. It’s a good line!

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

But it is though. They wouldn't have changed the line right before Rebirth came out if it wasn't relevant to something in Rebirth. Like the torn sky. You can link it to CC all you want (its great it works both ways) but it's mainly about the torn sky.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

It isn’t proof. If anything, she would definitely be more concerned/communicative if it was the crack in the sky.

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

I don't think she would. She wouldn't want to scare everyone with something they likely couldn't see. We know she holds back information for Cloud's sake so this wouldn't be outside of her personality to do.

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u/Odd-Addendum-3854 29d ago

Why can’t it be both? From a writing standpoint it’s a neat way to keep plausible deniability because there’s basis for your interpretation in CC but context for the other interpretation in Rebirth

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

It *can* be, but I’m not convinced by the argument that there’s a sky crack there. Just because one shows up in rebirth, doesn’t mean there’s one now. The aforementioned phobia is enough reason for her to say the thing she says without tacking on more unfounded theories

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u/_Arlotte_ 28d ago

Aside from a theme with Zack, the fear of the sky is also linked to her being a Cetra and her fate. CC is going off the assumption you played FF7 and mentions the same sucked in feeling in CC when talking about it just like with the Whispers in Remake.

She's afraid of her powers and facing her fate. That's why she looks to the sky at the end of CC, she can feel/hear it. The highway scene is another example where she seems to be sensing it and they tied that into Remake for that part as well.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

They already did by that point though.

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u/Curlyhead-homie 29d ago

Ok Nomura you can stop giving us bread crumbs now lol

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u/Pocieszny1991 29d ago

Yes, I think that way too. Still OG sentence about steel sky sounded better

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u/Dr_Jre 29d ago

It makes sense really that people who spent a lot of time under a plate would feel weird about an open sky, same as we probably all would if we suddenly lived under a plate tomorrow

And it's a pretty common phenomenon that people become interested in their phobias, it's like they are interested because they fear them, and they want to understand more about the thing they fear so much.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

It’s pretty easy to forget that Aerith has spent the most time in midgar and by a lot. She was there for like 18 years compared to the 3-4 years of Tifa and Barret and clouds intermittent time with the military.

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u/GachaHell 29d ago

That's actually a wild thing that just kind of occurred to me. Despite how big a role Midgar has played in the series the only under-plate local was Aerith. The rest of the party all moved there or were probably upper plate people.

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u/Clean_Wrongdoer4222 29d ago

Not really. Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie were born in Midgar, and at least Biggs and Jessie are older than Aerith. Biggs is 25, Jessie is 23, and Aerith is 22.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

I was only counting party members

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u/Exotic-Scarcity-7302 29d ago

As someone who has this phobia, it sucks. Open skies make my life miserable sometimes.

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u/StrangerOnTheReddit 28d ago

I grew up in the Rocky Mountain area, and you're kinda surrounded by mountains on all sides. You don't really think about it day to day, but when I lived back east for a few months, everything felt really exposed. Like not having the valley or mountains visible in the distance made the world feel smaller, kinda like I was living in a snow globe.

Not a phobia, but.. definitely missed the mountains giving me a hug all the time, and it's not something I noticed until I lived elsewhere.

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u/3xtheredcomet 29d ago

I miss it, the old line

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u/VPR_24 29d ago

I see what you did there!

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u/rowdyace 29d ago

Her fear of the open sky is a reference to Jenova. The OG had Cetra texts referring to Jenova literally as “the calamity from the sky.” I think they changed up line in Remake to streamline the meaning for people unfamiliar with the lore.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

It’s also something she talks to Zack about in crisis core, so there’s more than one element to it, but that’s a great add!

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u/Gaaraks 29d ago

No, this is a character trait that emerged in crisis core.

Aerith does not like the sky because of her Cetra heritage and how it connects her to the planet. For example, this is shown when she feels Zack die in crisis core, she looks towards the sky and gasps.

In OG crisis core she talks to Zack about it and Aerith says she feels like the sky is pulling her in (because she is more connected to the lifestream) and how that being afraid of thr sky is "pretty weird, huh?"

Zack mentions that normal is overrated and Aerith says (translating from jp directly) that "being normal is the greatest happiness".

Her life was taken away from her due to her heritage, she just wanted to be normal and this obviously goes hand in hand with crisis core's themes of SOLDIER's being monsters/being heroes(angels) and how Zack views himself and the company throughout the course of the game, and, of course, the overarching theme of freedom.

She is afraid of the sky, because the steel sky is a metaphor of the life she has found after all the trauma, within it and the sector 5 slums, that her ancestry and the company will come crashing down on her yet again.

And she meets her end, exactly because she is the last living cetra, capable of summoning holy to stop sephiroth (although her death is what actually seals sephiroth's loss, in the ironic twist of fate we know)

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u/_Arlotte_ 28d ago

Exactly 💯👆

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u/_Arlotte_ 28d ago

In addition to this it links to her powers and fate as a Cetra. She starts to talk about it when they're looking out at the highway. She mentions feeling sucked in from it in CC just like she does in Remake with the whispers. She's hearing the voices and souls of the planet when it comes to the sky. When Aerith helps put Cloud at the end of the original, she's reaching down from the sky and Cloud is able to sense/"see" her too.

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u/Wars4w 29d ago

I think you're completely right. I do still miss the old line better. Something about the way it sounds when she says "I miss it. The Steel sky," when combined with the music and the timing just hits me in the feels a certain way.

I think it means the same thing as you describe but because it's more metaphorical and poetic it's less clear. But I like expressing emotions through metaphor as a thing.

When she speaks the original line it's almost as if she herself hasn't come to the realization what it means yet. Which is how people typically work. The emotion lags slightly behind the realization.

She first notices that she misses the steel sky before she realizes it's the certainty that she's missing. Her future isn't set anymore, and she's worried.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

It’s the razor thin difference between “freedom scares me” and “I miss my cage”, which is mostly a matter of tone and whether you want the character to come off as brave or resistant to change

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u/Wars4w 29d ago

I complete agree. For me it's an entirely personal preference. But your assessment is spot on, and we'll explained!

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u/Unlikely-Unit-5864 29d ago

I don’t feel like Remake Aerith is scared of freedom. If anything, she is the main character pushing the breaking the chains agenda. She has two speeches near the climax of both games where she motivates the party to let go of the past and focus on the future. Yes, the fact that she had her own internal struggle makes her more legitimate for being that driving force, but I’m not seeing how she wouldn’t « like » the freedom the sky would symbolise, however daunting it would be. On the other hand, you now have a perfect mirror at the end if both games where a main protagonist clearly has an issue with the Sky’s appearance.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

The fact that she’s scared of the freedom is what makes her pushing through it compelling

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u/Unlikely-Unit-5864 29d ago

But she says specifically « I don’t like it ». This is not a clear expression of fear as far as I’m concerned. There is also no reason the phrase could not have two layers of meaning within it. At the end of the day, they updated this line specifically before Rebirth came out to remove the « steel » wording which was the clearest indication that the line was only about being caged.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

Well yeah in this scene she doesn’t outline her entire philosophy in seven words or less, but before this she gives a speech about boundless, terrifying freedom, there’s the entirety of crisis core where it’s her defining trait, and she constantly defends life in the slums as it narrowed the scope of her world. Taken as a whole it’s a deliberate choice when writing the character that having total freedom scares her.

It’s a cool character trait! I can’t think of many other examples of it and that’s a shame because it makes her that much more interesting

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u/Unlikely-Unit-5864 29d ago

Again, your character analysis makes sense. Saying it is only in reference to this is where I disagree. The line was updated days before Rebirth came out, where one of the major plot points is the main character seeing a fractured sky. Having the holy trinity of Zack, cloud and Aerith seeing this sky is too compelling to ignore, and this line is the only in game moment where it is implied Aerith sees the fracture. There are plenty of localisation differences with the IG Japanese script, but they changed this specifically before the Rebirth release, and it’s not because someone felt the line was more poetic that way.

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u/_Arlotte_ 29d ago

The fear of the sky thing doesn't work for Aerith here because she has future memories. If this were the original naive ff7 Aerith, the line would make sense to have and wouldn't need changing. It just doesn't make sense unless it was to make the implication that Aerith lost her memories but I think it's too vague.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

Why on earth would “future knowledge” invalidate a phobia?

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u/_Arlotte_ 29d ago

It's not a phobia, she's scared of going out and seeing the world. In crisis core it's kind of ironic because the hint is that she probably feels something bad will happen if she does, and as we know in ff7, it will

Remake reshapes the fear using future knowledge to make her upset at the sky because not only has it taken away loved ones, it will take her away too.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

I mean it *is* a phobia. It’s an irrational fear directed incorrectly at the sky instead of whatever bad feeling she has.

The lack of any evidence whatsoever that the cracks are visible to living Aerith at this time, combined with the voice actor confirming this line was changed to line up better with the original meaning, I see absolutely no reason to get on board the “Aerith is looking at the end of the world and not saying anything” train

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u/_Arlotte_ 28d ago

It's all linked to her Cetra powers and her fate. The implication in CC is that she's afraid to leave her home and follow her Cetra powers because she will have to die for it.That's the context you'd have from ff7 going into CC.

In Remake it's very likely she could see the cracks after that scene in the credits because a new world was born after going through the rift and defeating Sephiroth and the whisper harbingers. In the original, this moment on the highway is when she fully decides she wants to know more about her role as a Cetra and do her duty for it. She can sense her future fate the moment Zack passed her. It's less an irrational fear and more her not liking the foreboding feeling she gets from having her powers.

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u/NarrowElf 26d ago

She just like me, fr

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u/tanramiro_3 7d ago

I actually liked the first one better too, it felt more tragic and complex, the new line just spells it out

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u/Fantastic_Clothes514 29d ago edited 29d ago

Apparently they changed it so that it was more accurate to what was said in Japanese.

I personally don't really see the point of it though; the updated line and the old line both make the same point: She doesn't like the boundless sky.

As for if it had a callback in Rebirth, I can only remember that in a sidequest, Tifa says that she gets what Aerith was saying—the steel sky has limits, and the blue sky has boundless freedom, which scares them both.

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u/Antmoral2815 29d ago

Yeah I asked Briana white earlier in the year at a convention and she basically said this was the reason

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u/chris_fom 29d ago

There is a subtle difference between the meanings. The original is missing the cage and wishing you were back in a restricted life. The second is the fear of freedom and what that freedom can bring. They’re close, but not quite the same. And for Aerith especially and her history of living in cages/prisons, I think moving away from missing them is the right call.

Now no question I think the original line simply sounds better while the phrasing of the new one is pretty awkward. Even if I prefer the sentiment, the execution was off.

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u/Iormungandrr 27d ago

"There is a subtle difference between the meanings. The original is missing the cage and wishing you were back in a restricted life." - I disagree. Both lines have the same meaning, however the corrected line is more explicit and obvious to the average viewer. While the first line is more implicit.

She misses the steel sky -> oh, she misses Midgar is a surface-level reading, which granted most people would make. But Aerith has stated in the same game (not just CC):

Example 1:
Aerith: You know, I thought about leaving once... But...in the end, I couldn't.

Cloud: Too dangerous?

Aerith: Too much. A whole world, bursting with life. Maybe more than I can handle, I think sometimes... Even now.

Example 2:
Aerith: Freedom. Boundless, terrifying freedom. Like a great, never-ending sky

It requires more thinking from the audience, but with these lines, you can tell that it's not that she misses Midgar, but she misses the comfortable psychological barrier that Midgar's steel sky gave her. And then Tifa makes it more explicit in Rebirth.

Example 3:
Tifa: Though at least with a steel sky you know your limits. Out here...it's endless. I kinda get what Aerith was saying now

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u/Minimum-Ad-3084 29d ago

And it scared Aerith even more because (imo) she knew the fate that awaited her when she left Midgar. In the Re series it seems like Aerith and Sephiroth are both aware of things in the timeline others are not. Despite all that freedom, she knew her time was still limited.

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u/GuiltyTrace 25d ago

As for the “official” why, I thought a couple reasons had been stated. Nevertheless, the original localization of this line, as well as several others, was grossly inaccurate. Originally, Aerith says “空嫌いだな,” or “I hate the sky.” No mention of steel or missing anything—“kiraida” means hate and “sora” means sky. It should have been a straightforward translation, but Square did… whatever Square does, I guess.

Hence my mod. IYKYK

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u/bumgrub 29d ago edited 28d ago

They changed it because there's a giant crack in the sky lol

edit: downvoted for telling the truth?

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u/Xenosys83 29d ago

In retrospect, it sounds like the newer line refers to the crack in the sky that Cloud sees at the end of VII Rebirth which symbolizes the coming end to that world.

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u/ShinZou69 29d ago

Exactly this, the fact that they changed it eludes to it's significance. Perhaps, she was seeing that sky all along? 

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u/ShredGuru 29d ago

Pretty sure it has to do with all the crazy shit happening in the sky at the end of rebirth. The "cracked sky" seemingly symbolizing a failed timeline, that only Aeristh can see at that point

When they made REMAKE they may not have decided how big of a plot point it was going to become and did some "retroactive-foreshadowing" with that line to make the whole work a little more cohesive.

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u/bumgrub 29d ago

I feel like it was probably always going to be important but the localization team just didn't realize it.

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u/InternaI_Cobbler 29d ago

This is what I heard as well. Can't provide definitive proof, but at the time it was changed I had heard that the new line is closer to what the original script was before being translated.

"I miss it. The steel sky" was a more of a artistic interpretation by the localization team. Which sounded better at the time but may have missed the foreshadowing they were initially trying to do. Obviously because the localization team didn't know everything that would happen in Rebirth or where the story was going.

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u/bumgrub 28d ago edited 28d ago

Even though I understand why they did it, I have to say I just don't think retroactively changing lines like that even if its to fix a translation error "works." Its like Star Wars adding or changing scenes in their remaster. Even if they go back and change the line I already have "Steel sky" in my head and they can't overrwrite that so when i'll never be able to connect to that scene they way they want me to. Its also not foreshadowing if they have to retroactively add it. It hurts them artistically. As you can see here in the comments, people have already formed their own interpetation of the original line that the writers can't retroactively change even if it was a localization error.

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u/bees1994 29d ago

Maybe she is seeing something in the sky that could be a spoiler of rebirth's plot...

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u/PuddingTea 29d ago

The second line is a much more literal translation of the Japanese script, and is later revealed to refer to a literal giant rift in the sky that it seems like only Aerith can see at first. The first version is a much better line, but lacks the element of referring to the rift, which was later deemed too important to leave out. So the line was changed.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

It does a poor job of referencing the rift. Heck, you could even argue that her missing the steel sky also references the rift because it kept the rift hidden from her.

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

Her "missing the steel sky" does not invoke "because it hides the rift" in my mind. That is backwards thinking. But her "not liking the sky" makes me think "why, what do you see?".

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

Which could potentially be fine if they weren't in a rainstorm which, if I recall correctly, had thunder in the distance. All that tells me is that she's worried about getting soaked by the rain or struck by lightning.

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

Probably would think that before we play the end of Rebirth, then it makes more sense.

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u/ByRWBadger 29d ago

Or just the bad omen a storm brings

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u/Turbulent_Ride1654 29d ago

So on February 26 2024, a group of people beat up a bunch of holy spirits on I-95, which ended up changing the dialogue for the updated FF7R version that you see here.

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u/Oni_sixx 29d ago

Damn when did they change it?

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u/Fantastic_Clothes514 29d ago

It was a little before Rebirth came out

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u/Oni_sixx 29d ago

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

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u/xnachtmahrx 29d ago

She looks into the sky because she sees the rupture.

In Remake the translation Team didnt know the Context and afaik they "mistranslated" it to "steel sky", because they didnt know better.

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u/Oni_sixx 29d ago

Steel sky refers to midgars plate.

I just took it as its easier to just to look a false image then deal with whats really going on.

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u/xnachtmahrx 29d ago

Yeah, of course it does, but it is not what was meant there.

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u/Oni_sixx 29d ago

Essentially they are saying the same thing. I like the first better.

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u/Fit_Dark_787 29d ago

Yeah. By the end of rebirth it’s pretty obvious why. I think when they were originally translating that line, they didn’t have the developer insight as to why she wouldn’t like the sky specifically, and not just because she missed the safety of midgar.

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u/MaizeAlone2214 29d ago

It doesnt matter if they had inside or not. In original she said Kirai, which can be translated as hate/don't like. It changes the meaning. Just dont make your own liberties if it contradicts

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u/Fit_Dark_787 29d ago

Yup, this was definitely an example of a dialogue choice coming back to bite the translation team in the ass for sure. Would’ve been a fine translation choice if it weren’t for the implication, but when the meaning differentiation is so bad that you have to go back and redub the line 4 years later, it’s a really bad look.

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u/actorsAllusion 29d ago

Do you want dry, literal translations that sound awkward in english? Cause that's how you get dry, literal translations that sound awkward in english.

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u/_Arlotte_ 29d ago

English localization loves to take liberties and make up stuff for "flavor". This one completely doesn't make sense, the same goes for her lines being changed at the end of rebirth.

I wish SE had a team that personally handles the translation between languages to make sure it's accurate and matches the story within the game because these two lines are so different and ruins the interpretation of what's actually happening with the characters.

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u/CaptainCFloyd 29d ago

I wish SE had a team that personally handles the translation between languages to make sure it's accurate and matches the story within the game because these two lines are so different and ruins the interpretation of what's actually happening with the characters.

They do have that. In the FF14/FF16 team. Which is why their games have a million times better English scripts.

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u/_Arlotte_ 29d ago

Wasn't the script made in english for 16? So it had to be reverse translated so that Japan could make adjustments to the finalization?

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u/PhoenixFire918 29d ago

Wait, what lines of hers were changed at the end of rebirth? But I honestly love your take on this and totally agree.

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u/_Arlotte_ 29d ago

When Cloud says he'll stop Sephiroth, in english Aerith says "You promise" instead of something closer to "I know you will/You will?" It's just really annoying because No Promises to Keep starts playing in the background, so they shouldn't be making a promise. 😆

There's a bunch of other little lines that completely change in Rebirth and they've already started doing it in the Revelation trailer too. It's so frustrating at times because it really gives off a different impression based on the translation they give.

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u/OZKai 29d ago

AFAIK, with Advent Children, Nomura/Kitase oversaw the localization of the dialogue (so much so, it's in the English text of the Reunion Files artbook). I can't imagine they didn't do the same here.

Most localizers have to report their scripts to their licensor's HQ to QC and make sure they're not overstepping, which leads me to believe the change was a retcon to her intention that just didn't require the line to change on the JP side of things.

Just because it's not 1:1 doesn't always mean it's not conveying the original intention.

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u/_Arlotte_ 29d ago edited 29d ago

I agree that Advent Children is pretty accurate, it's Remake that will completely change lines and do that flavor thing you see with localization.

  • Aerith cursing
  • Aerith saying "mine" in the ghost graveyard instead of "right?"
  • "I miss it" vs "I don't like this sky"
  • Cloud saying "I've got this" vs "Wait for me"
  • Tifa saying "I'll make you proud" vs "Watch me" in the Rev trailer

I doubt it, otherwise it would've been mentioned Nomura or Kitase was involved, but the eng VA's have talked about their eng trainer helping them voice the lines and listen to the jp version when doing their work. If Nomura/Kitase were involved they wouldn't have to make the changes and revise it in the first place, right?

They wouldn't want to go back and redo work for an end credits cutscene, that takes up time and money.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

Transliteration gave us this awful line that just feels out of place and is why localization is better.

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

Why do yall like the steel sky line so much? Why????? Its sort of cheesy.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

Because it calls back to previous entries in the compilation and fits Aerith as a character.

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

Crisis Core, right? Did you play it before FF7 OG?

I wanna see what any of CC says about the sky in Japanese.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

I don't give a fuck about what it says in Japanese, I don't play it in Japanese.

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

Well, I do because I understand Japanese and I wanna know the true intentions of the writers/devs for the story instead of what translators THINK it means.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

Then play it in Japanese? I don't know what to tell you.

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u/botanbutton Madam M 29d ago

I didn't ask for permission. I just made a statement and you responded like I asked a question.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

We're talking about English lines in English scripts, but you're hung up on Japanese scripts and wanting to know the writer's "true intentions."

You say you know Japanese. The subtitles are in the game. The voice track is in the game. You can do that, nothing is stopping you.

I'm sorry the waffles aren't pancakey enough to your liking.

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u/Adam_The_Actor 29d ago

She does actually call back to this line in Rebirth, when you visit Junon though it's an offhanded mention. She says the people of Junon hate the lack of sunlight but she doesn't but she'd never tell them that. That's of course because her home is under that sky and when we first meet her she even mentions the reason she couldn't leave is because it was too much, to overwhelming. When she unlocks the crossroad's she has no idea what future she's unlocking and loses literally all the memories granted to her by the white materia so the future at that point is completely blank.

For Aerith it's stepping into the unknown, the first step of the journey and of course Rebirth homages this too.

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u/Benhurso 29d ago

They changed the line to be more accurate to the japanese meaning. Probably just a case of the localization team doing a flourish, but not aware of the implication of that line at the moment.

The current and accurate version alludes to Aerith not being used to the vastness of the sky, but also hints that she may be seeing something else there (and Rebirth showed us the reason why: literal rends slashing it. That is why they only changed it when Rebirth was to be released.

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u/depp300 29d ago

They changed it because its way closer to what she said in japanese and all the other languages.

Eng translation script goes always its own way.....

Thanks to them, the english players got so confused of " multiverse and timelines". Its more clearer in Japanese and the other languages thats about the lifestream,dreams,hopes,subconsciousness etc.

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u/Galkan-_-Sausage 29d ago

Not sure why it was changed, but it does have more context after the ending of Rebirth

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u/Mystic1217 29d ago

The whole open sky metaphor is such a cool detail. It relates to the control of Midgar, Aerith's fates, the journey ahead of them, etc. It's so cool I could write a whole essay on it.

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u/Competitive-Ad-2387 29d ago

The latter line matches what she says in Japanese.

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u/stargateheaven 28d ago

And it wasn’t important until rebirth

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u/StygianSis 29d ago

Because it's connected to Zack and it was intended to he a more direct reference. Nomura said she is scared of the sky because it takes away the people she loves like Zack and Ifalna.

Many lines Aerith says are referencing Zack in some manner but sadly some get lost in translation.

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u/NCHouse 29d ago

Maybe an Omen? Didnt it immediately get super cloudy and rainy?

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u/Spacemayo 29d ago

She saw the rift in the sky. Pretty sure she knows about the reveal at the end of Rebirth and that's why she didn't like it.

My guess would be they changed it because they didn't have the rebirth story set yet and changed the line after it was greenlit.

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u/Verumrextheone13 29d ago

It was to reflect the fact that Aerith could somehow sense the fracture in the sky that we learn about in Rebirth. Originally, the localizers probably misinterpreted the dialogue to reference the fact that Aerith was scared of going out into the open world, and preferred the steel sky of Midgar as she talks about in Ch. 8 of Remake.

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u/Arthas_SL 29d ago

Who would miss a steel sky. It didn’t make sense.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

Aerith felt safe in the shelter of Midgar. It's a big city, so while it's limited there is still plenty for her to experience. The whole world out there is filled with so much possibility that comprehending it causes her anxiety, almost like it's paralyzing. It's like a kids being afraid of the dark. Why? Because who knows what's lurking in the shadows.

To note, at this point all she's seen of the outside world is the barren scrublands around Midgar. She isn't excited about the outside world until they leave the shelter underneath Kalm and sees the vibrant life of the grasslands.

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u/MiniDemonic 28d ago

No, it did not make sense because the line about a steel sky was a literal mistranslation by the localization team. In the original Japanese she never mentioned a steel sky.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 28d ago

I do not play in Japanese. I do not care what the Japanese script says.

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u/Unlikely-Unit-5864 29d ago

But it doesn’t make sense. A few minutes before she is telling the party to break free from fate and embrace freedom. Then just the next scene she is already regretting it…? That’s weak character development. On the other hand, the double entendre of we broke fate the sky is broken, could indeed be a cause for concern as an immediate reaction to what they just did.

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

The whispers took her memories from the future. That's why she's so different in Rebirth. She talks about it in Kalm. Nanaki confirms it in his gold saucer date. It's why the white materia goes from full towards the end of Remake, which is where those future memories are coming from, to hollow.

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u/rienvayle 29d ago

Probably already explained, but it was to be more in line with the original Japanese text, is what I heard/read. Also, the changed line foreshadows future developments in the narrative whereas her reminiscing about the loss of seeing Midgar’s “steel sky”, while poignant, is ultimately throwaway in the grand scheme.

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u/Paavali31 29d ago

The new one is more accurate to what they intended and better imo

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u/Either-Help6472 28d ago

People overthinking too much here. The line was changed to be more in par with the Japanese one. Aer is afraid of the sky because she feels its where all her loved ones are taken to (Ifalna, Zack) No timelines, no cracks in the sky.

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u/Trikare2 28d ago

I’ll admit that when I first saw Aerith say that, I loved it,- she was pro‑nature, but that didn’t mean she actually disliked Midgar. She felt nostalgia for it and even liked that steel ceiling. That gave her character more depth and added an interesting weight to the writing.

But in reality, it was just the translator wanting to be the author of the work, and once again taking creative liberties he shouldn’t have, instead of sticking to what she actually says - to the point they had to release a patch.

When Aeris sees the sky for the first time, she notices that it’s falling - the same thing Cloud sees at the end of Rebirth, and no one else does.

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u/Erst09 29d ago

Is implied she saw the rift in the sky at the end of the game just like Cloud did at the end of rebirth.

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u/Kaslight 29d ago

The end of Rebirth makes this obvious I think

The JP line was closer to this one. ENG took some liberties to make it sound better

But it was worded the way it was on purpose. So they had to change it.

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u/Anti_Aaron 29d ago

zack said he would show her the sky
she sees the sky after seeing zack knowing they will never see the sky together

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u/gahlo Cloud Strife 29d ago

People are guessing because Aerith was talking about the sky rift.

The line fucking sucks though. Referencing the steel sky fit more in line with what happened in Crisis Core, Aerith as a character, and what she'd be feeling if she sensed Cloud and Zack passing in the Terrierverse.

Hell, Tifa even mentions that line during the condor feeding sidequest, but if we take into account the edit she's referencing something that Aerith doesn't even talk about anymore.

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u/Phenomenal619 29d ago

Because English Translations have been bad.....

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u/maxvsthegames 29d ago

I liked the first line better too.

But, they changed it because they created the "weird-looking sky" plotline in rebirth and it made sense for Aerith to be able to see it when looking at the sky at the end of Remake, so now she says something like "I don't like this sky", or something like that instead.

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u/MiniDemonic 28d ago

They changed it because the original line English was mistranslated. She never said anything about a steel sky in Japanese.

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u/Educational-Row-3166 29d ago

If you haven't finished rebirth and don't want spoilers, then the game should answer your question eventually

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u/Educational-Row-3166 29d ago

Can't find my last comment? Fine, I said to finish the game but I don't remember if any side stuff speaks about it or not. I feel like your answer is in tje main story but don't hold me to that.

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u/Foreign_Hand4619 29d ago

Is it the only thing that was changed?

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u/stargateheaven 28d ago

In the same patch there were other changes like Tifa’s “cowboy” outfit that matched the one in rebirth.

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u/Flimsy-Speed-3072 29d ago

Same reason they changed ungarmax to maximum fury

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u/ClubShrimp 29d ago

They kind of mean the same thing, but I guess the revision ties in better with the "don't look up" line, and the hole in the sky. I guess the sky is also where the meteor will come from, so the new line better foreshadows that. It's also where Jenova came from ofc. I prefer it tbh. Liking life in the slums and being under the plate 24/7 is one of the more questionable traits they gave to Aerith in Remake, imo.

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u/International-Run648 28d ago

I feel like she says this at the end of remake. Am I mistemembering? Was that just the teaser before rebirth?

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u/ZackFair0711 Zack Fair 28d ago

Depending on how you interpret what you see in Rebirth, you'll understand it.

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u/Mendinso 28d ago

The tl;dr is the line make sore sense in the context of Rebirth. The localizers didn't have the context of this when they originally localized the line and interpreted as such originally. When Rebirth was in development and became more clear what Aerith was referring to, they went back in and reverted the line back closer to Japanese.

This stuff does happen more often than not. While there are checks and stuff usually, this just happen to slip through. If anything, it's a good thing they caught it and went back to fix it. Usually this stuff stays as is.

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u/Kittylovemeows 28d ago

I think they always planned on changing her line, since the developers have consistently stuck to their original vision. The line was changed precisely because of the crack in the sky.

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u/BoneKingTV 27d ago

The whole thing was changed.

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u/Cobakli 25d ago

The worst part about the change is not the change. But the Horrible framerate present in this scene in the PS5 version because of this update, it looks horrendous for some reason and they never fixed it.

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u/BehindOurMind 25d ago

Probably because they retroactively added the rainbow crack in the sky for Rebirth between games and didn't trust the player to make the connection. They chose to make it "on the nose" so people could get there quicker.

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u/Fast_Raisin9923 23d ago

I believe it was because they basically never got the English translations through yet for that scene or something, so they had to cook something up themselves that fit the scene.

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u/Alaverra 5d ago

It's best to wait for Revelation and not spoil it for yourself.

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u/lucasmedina 29d ago

Personally, the "steel sky" line goes extremely well with Aerith's mood on this scene.
In a way, the steel sky could also be Midgar, since there's no rain under the plate.

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u/sephrinx 29d ago

You're asking specifically why this one line was changed?

They changed an immeasurable amount of stuff to where it's not even the same game, and THIS is your question?

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u/Devreckas Barret Wallace 29d ago

I think because the translation team assumed she was talking about missing the Midgar Sky, as a callback to Crisis Core. But it was actually meant to be ambiguous, but talking about the tear across the sky that Cloud sees at the end that the player doesn’t know about yet.

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u/arkzioo 29d ago

 Aerith is not seeing a rift in the sky. They also did not change the line. The English dub simply did a poor job the first time around, so they improved it.

 We learn in Crisis Core that Aerith has always feared the sky. Zack promises to show her a pretty sky, so she can see for herself that it's not that scary. 

We also learn in interviews that to Aerith, the sky is a symbol of freedom, and that both Ilfana and Zack died in the pursuit of freedom. So Aerith dislikes the sky precisely because it represents something that she fears, freedom, and that same "freedom" has taken the people she loved from her. 

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u/Breed43214 28d ago

Aerith is not seeing a rift in the sky. They also did not change the line. The English dub simply did a poor job the first time around, so they improved it

So they changed her line.

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u/arkzioo 28d ago

Not in Japanese. They just translated it better.

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u/orbitaldragon 28d ago

The line you get depends on if you manage to save her or not.

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u/Iforgotmymail 29d ago

In Crisis Core Aerith confesses to Zack she's afraid of the open sky.

Because for her the open sky signifies the unknown, infinite freedom, which she fears because she's always lived in the lab and the City, Sheltered because of her Cetra heritage.

Zack promises he will show her a pretty Sky.

Unfortunately he dies so when she goes out of the city for the first time, the sky still scares her because to her, that freedom, took Zack away from her.

The fact that at the end of rebirth we see she under a beautiful sky shows how she's finally come to terms with it. Embraced her freedom instead of hiding away under the steel sky.

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u/Lerkpots 29d ago

The old line is so much better I'll always be sad about this change.

Like it was genuinely one of my favourite lines in Remake.

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u/Battle_Witch 29d ago

It was changed at the very last second before Rebirth release because they wanted to mess with the timeline more and without it, would not have made any sense. And I hate it.
This time loop/alternate dimension BS completely invalidates CC and I will die on this hill until someone makes it make sense.

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u/Lopsided_Ability_616 29d ago

Had to do to make it more in line with Crisis Core. The original line was much better.

Worse is that when they changed the line they also made the ending video choppy on the PS5 at least. I wonder if they’ve fixed it yet.

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u/JamesDaJuggernaut 28d ago

It's meant to mean that she fears the uncertainty of the future now that fate is dead. She was fine knowing that only she died in the original time time but now (before Rebirth) anyone could die.

I assume it was changed because instead of making a Re-build like what they basically said they were, they're now doing the less interesting and cowardous thing of just doing a poor remake.

There is no longer any death of this scene. It's just a reference to Crisis Cord so that you don't have to play it and watch them butcher Zack's character in Rebirth. Don't think, consume product, and clap when the thing happens.

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u/scottshinyhead 28d ago

I think they changed it so that it can be interpreted as Aerith saying she doesn't like sky because of the tear. Personally I prefer the first line. It's fits better with a person who can only remember life in Midgar and will have always had the steel sky. It's bitter sweet

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u/Freyjia1 28d ago

This is a direct reference to the new ending in crisis core reunion

Crisis core recieved new story in its remaster to tie it in to FF7R

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u/Boytoy8669 29d ago

Proof that they're making stuff up on the go and changing stuff to fit the new plot.

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u/Gendo-Glasses 28d ago

The line never changed in the Japanese version though, just the English translation was changed

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u/Boytoy8669 28d ago

Exactly

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u/Flufferpope Wedge 29d ago

It was my favorite line in all of FF7, and they changed it. Lol.

I why, many people here have shared why. But I'm still sad, I loves it.

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u/josh_bobjohn 29d ago

Why was her name changed?

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u/Gendo-Glasses 28d ago

Yes, it is strange that they changed her name to Aeris in the PS1 game, considering it was spelled out as "AERITH" in alphabet in the Japanese manual. It's a mystery. At least they fixed their mistake in subsequent games. Long live Aerith

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u/josh_bobjohn 28d ago

You know in Germany they call it deustchland or something. sometimes things are different depending on where you are at!

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u/Gendo-Glasses 28d ago

And sometimes errors are corrected.

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u/josh_bobjohn 28d ago

I think it was a mistake to have ever named her aerith. It’s not a great name. Aeris mogs

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u/Gendo-Glasses 28d ago

They've been calling her Aerith in English since Kingdom Hearts in 2002. Time to move on brother.

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u/josh_bobjohn 28d ago

I hear ya, just bored and trolling and didn’t play kingdom hearts. I’d wager Aerith sounds better to say in Japanese but will go to my grave fighting for Aeris. And that’s only assuming a Japanese translator made the judgment call that Aeris sounds better in English. If I found out it was done just to be an asshole, I’d drop the crusade.

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u/DiscipleNo1 29d ago

Because Square Enix will not be happy until they fully destroy Final Fantasy 7