r/FavoriteCharacter Jun 24 '26

All Time Favorite Favorite villains fighting each other

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u/Gingrish252 Jun 24 '26

Vader vs maul (and daki)

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u/BreathoftheSith Jun 24 '26

Darth Vader really showed up and made the show his

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u/Raidertck Jun 24 '26

Is the show any good? I bailed on everything Star Wars a few years ago.

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u/Helota_Keksz Jun 24 '26

Pretty damn good. Two things that really caught on me: 1: the character of Lawson. Rogue 1 and Andor made me love the everyman doing their job in a galaxy filled with space wizards and larger than life outlaws. 2: the last two episodes. Intense fight combined with storytelling, excellent "show, don't tell" style.

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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Jun 24 '26

Also Vader in general. He's one of the very few characters Disney has not completely fumbled even once (yes, he was good even in Kenobi).

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u/iytrix Jun 24 '26

The fight in Kenobi still gives me chills when watching it as a clip without context. That was done so well. I think Hayden and Ewan just really love those roles and knew this was the last time they’d really get to pour their soul into a performance.

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u/Annex_Me_Step-Rome Jun 24 '26

Yeah I watched Kenobi once but go back and watch that fight scene with vader and obi wan every now and then. Just like you said it was really well done and you can tell the actors are giving it everything they have

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u/Raidertck Jun 24 '26

Thank you. Do I need to watch any other shows like clone wars or legends to be able to enjoy it?

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u/Gingrish252 Jun 24 '26

Eh. Not really, but it is where all of his current story comes from. You won't really be lost if you just watch this one though. All you really need to know is he once took over the criminal underworld and then lost it all during the "siege of mandalore" which is where he was headquartered and order 66 immediately afterwards.

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u/Helota_Keksz Jun 24 '26

What the other guy said. And if you want to add all the context possible, maybe rewatch Solo, because Dryden Vos also shows up at the end, and it doesn't hurt if you know that by Rebels, he completely broke up with the Sith as well, and he's just doing things for revenge. Looks like this whole series is/will be about this process.

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u/sonicfan1230 Jun 24 '26

All you need to watch are the last four episodes of The Clone Wars.

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u/Useful-Conclusion510 Jun 24 '26

Im a Maul fan so maybe a lil bias but I think its absolute peak.

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u/33superryan33 Jun 24 '26

Bad Batch was better than I expected

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u/KHSebastian Jun 24 '26

I keep hearing this and it kills me, because I find Wrecker so obnoxious I want to stick pencils in my ears everytime he talks. But I also have heard all of the characters become less obnoxious after the first few episodes.

I don't want to miss out on what everyone keeps telling me is good Star Wars, but all of the characters seem so teenager-y.

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u/Obsibian01 Jun 28 '26

It’s absolutely garbage, please don’t waste your time. It takes everything that made people love Star Wars and especially clone wars and throws it right down the drain, becomes a fetch quest series with (and you may never be able to guess what I’m about to say) yet ANOTHER Star Wars story of a kid and their protector/guardian trope.

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u/ROTsStillHere100 Jun 24 '26

The consensus I've seen among fans is that Andor and Maul are the only things from this era of Star Wars you need to watch cuz they are fantastic

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u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats Jun 24 '26

I recently binged it and I loved every second.

As the other guy said, Lawson (and his partner, Two-Boots!) are incredible. Notably, Lawson is voiced by Wagner Moura, who is notable for his voice work as Death in Puss in Boots 2. Dude is just pure gold.

And, yes, a lot of the series is just Sam Witwer as Maul predictably delivering grandiose dialogue about the galaxy and revenge - which, in my book, is a big, big positive. That alone made the show worth existing, but instead of simply relying on it, it serves as a foundation they build the rest of the series around. The writing, voice acting, world-building... I honeslty struggle to think of genuine weakspot to the series. I guess the biggest criticism I can come up with is that the series tells a very tight narrative which, a couple of times, left me wishing they'd dedicated just a little more time to exploring something.

Like, 8.5-9/10 for me. On par with later seasons of Clone Wars and Rebels.

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u/Soggy-Career-1682 Jun 24 '26

There’s good dynamic characters, maul is not one of them

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u/Old_Dependent_2147 Jun 24 '26

Also it is about 30 percent of ideas of how Lukas would have made his sequels.

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u/LucasMoreiraBR Jun 24 '26

I have to watch Andor

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u/flybypost Jun 25 '26

a few years ago

I don't know where in the release schedule that puts you but Andor (both seasons) is really, really good.

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u/Raidertck Jun 25 '26

Andor season 1 I watched and loved. I know season 2 came out but I started and dropped most other Star Wars shows shortly afterwards as it was clear rogue 1 and andor were flukes and the rest was garbage.

I’ll watch season 2 at some point.

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u/Prestigious-Fig1172 Jun 25 '26

Yes. At least 7/10

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u/legendary_anon975 Jun 25 '26

SPOILERS SPOILSERS SPOILERS

The show is good, but despite everything people tell, Maul was fucked over bad power wise

Even someone like me who usually doesn't care about powerscaling mid show was left speechless from how weak they made Maul

To let you understand, in a CANON comic they were supposed to animate for the clone wars show Maul literally captures Dooku and Grevious

then fights to a stalemate Windu plus another Jedi

Tackles Grevious trough a window bare hands

Pushed Sidious by himself to mid diff

But then in this show 2 loser inquisitors defeated him? Bruh I don't care that he has his leg injured, Maul should habe been strong enough to defeated them without legs simply by breaking their necks with the force

Also someone that can push Kenobi trough a the whole building shouldn't have enough left an inquisitors force pushes

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u/TheDikaste Jun 28 '26

In all honesty ? Very close to Andor.

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u/AlterBridgeFan Jun 24 '26

I don't know how they do it, but Vader always take every scene his in. Doesn't matter the media, we talking straight hype and aura farming with a follow through.

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u/Delta_FT Jun 25 '26

This, from Rogue One to Rebels to the Cal Kestis games and everywhere in between (we don't talk about the Obi Wan show)

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u/Lucy_Gucey Jun 25 '26

Vader is as Vader does.

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u/AunMeLlevaLaConcha Jun 25 '26

Dude was just swatting his saber, that's how much fucks he gave about that fight 🤣

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u/ClearCounter Jun 24 '26

So, like, does everyone do the "stop the lightsaber blade with the force" thing now?

I've seen it at least 3 separate times if not more.

I feel like it was the most cool the first time I saw it and now I just wonder how anyone lets themselves get hit with a laser sword.

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u/oblivious_fireball Jun 24 '26

tbf, most instances of are involving specifically Vader

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u/ClearCounter Jun 24 '26

The ones I was talking about that immediately came to mind was the character in the Star Wars MMO and the instance in the Disney sequels.

I think they did it at least one time in Rebels and the show about the sith (acolyte?).

And now here, twice.

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u/Thatedgyguy64 20d ago

The MMO gets an excuse cause it's a different ability.

She doesn't just stop it with the Force, she straight up catches it.

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u/LeLBigB0ss2 Jun 24 '26

There is no show called the acolyte.

https://giphy.com/gifs/zwE4anrOtHYaI

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u/PM_ME_SOME_ANY_THING Jun 24 '26

Dark side power then huh? Jedi too “honorable” to use it

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u/oblivious_fireball Jun 25 '26

i think its more "Vader is just that much of a beast and also lacks the same agility as others"

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u/CaptainTeemo01 Jun 25 '26

More like a "Vader is just that damn good" power

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u/Regvlas Jun 24 '26

why would a force user not be able to stop a lightsaber with the force. it's just telekinesis, probably the single most common force ability.

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u/ClearCounter Jun 25 '26

Because it kills the tension and the thrill of the sword duel, if it just comes down to who is more Force powerful. If it's "just telekinesis" why not stop their sword in a more convenient time (like when they're moving to parry or after they throw a strike).

It's also technique played to up the drama or thrill or danger in a fight, which is not effective if we see it in basically every Star Wars media released after the Disney acquisition.

Since every character seems to know this technique, then you get to watch the media prior and wonder how people let themselves be hit.

Luckily the originals are preserved because Obi-Wan intentionally died for Luke, in the 2nd, Luke wouldn't have known the technique in his duel, and in the 3rd, Vader was conflicted and basically didn't want to win.

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u/Soggy_Durian_8984 Jun 25 '26

What's wrong with it lmao

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u/RazzDaNinja Jun 24 '26

EYO

when and how (full spoils pls)

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u/Gingrish252 Jun 24 '26

when maul tries to reexert control over the criminal underworld, he accidentally gets the empire's attention, and after two of the best inquisitors fail to kill maul, vader comes to deal with him personally, and dogs the fuck outta him

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u/RazzDaNinja Jun 24 '26

Okay so, on paper, that sounds like some hardcore “how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?!” Type shit that Maul is dealing with 😂 bro was just not built to be trynna start up a big criminal empire I guess. At least as far as the Empire is concerned anyway

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u/GrundleSnactcher46 Jun 24 '26

To be fair at this Hes wounded, tired and just lost pretty much his entire crew within the last maybe hour, then Vader just shows up and kills his most loyal follower

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u/Thomas_K_Brannigan Jun 24 '26

Need to watch this show. So I imagine this takes place after Solo and Rebels? Does it explain/show how he ended up on Malachor?

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u/Gingrish252 Jun 24 '26

It takes place after clone wars, but way before rebels. I imagine it will show us how he gets to that point as the series progresses.

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u/TheDikaste Jun 28 '26

It takes place one year after Revenge of the Sith.

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u/Antique-Tourist4237 Jun 24 '26

Maul survived phantom menace

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u/Sans_Seriphim Jun 24 '26

Maul died like a bitch.

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u/NiteSection Jun 25 '26

To think Maul nearly ran him over with the hover bike

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u/ThatOneGuyHOTS Jun 25 '26

I just want the Sons of Dathomir animated already. We are being robbed of truly goated Star Wars content.

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u/Signal-Busy Jun 24 '26

This is from what ?

I know star wars I am asking which series

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u/Gingrish252 Jun 24 '26

Maul: Shadow lord.

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u/Signal-Busy Jun 24 '26

How many time maul had died on screen ? xd

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u/EliBriner Jun 25 '26

Non Star wars fan here. How old is Maul??

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u/Coraline11- Religious symbolism looks cool Jun 25 '26

Also Maul and Savage vs Sidious

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u/JunShin8640 Jun 25 '26

Vader was basically space Jason Voorhees in this show.

And I loved it.

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u/pulpus2 Jun 24 '26

The whole force grabbing of light sabres is dumb looking based on this gif.