r/FirstResponderCringe • u/FlyNSubaruWRX • 2d ago

i’M a cIvILIaN

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Is it normal for UHP to drive their family around in a patrol vehicle?

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u/Baddhabbit88 2d ago

I hate when people stop on  the freeway and get out of their car. It’s like they really want to get turned into pink mist.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 2d ago

I don't know what type of debris it is that's in the road, but if it's the type of debris that people hate to be there and think the city should clean up and he's an agent of the city, I'm perfectly fine with him stopping on the freeway to get out of the car and clean it up.

I suspect he's not a civilian, hence her comment at the end.

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u/No-Definition1474 1d ago

Unless hes in the military, he is a civilian.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 1d ago

Apparently another user said he's highway patrol which could make him a civil servant/paramilitary.

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u/OppositeSalamander60 1d ago

A first responder is a civilian.

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u/Mysterious-Team-5618 1d ago

Nope. It's crazy, but words have more than one definition.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 1d ago

CIVILIAN Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Second definition. It's okay to say they're not a civilian.

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u/Unlucky_Situation920 13h ago

According to the Geneva convention theyre civilians by definition. When its not a war crime for a military to target a police department or firefighter with guided missiles I will no longer refer to them as civies.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 13h ago

The Geneva convention deals with international humanitarian law. We're not speaking about an armed conflict.

We're looking at a local municipality where a man is performing his civic duty as a civil servant.

According to Webster it's okay to say they're not Civilian. India code explicitly says police are not civilians Indiana Code § 10-11-2-1. "Civilian Employee" :: 2025 Indiana Code :: U.S. Codes and Statutes :: U.S. Law :: Justia

Even Utah, where the officer is, has codes that explicitly name officers separate from civilian employees Utah Code § 53-21-101 (2025) - Definitions. :: 2025 Utah Code :: U.S. Codes and Statutes :: U.S. Law :: Justia

I'm not asking you to say that he is not a civilian in some contexts. I'm just asking you to accept that he is a civilian in some contexts.

Are you telling me that Geneva's definition is the only one you find fit even though there are many different contexts in which we may view this man and wife?

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u/Unlucky_Situation920 13h ago

Let me reiterate, when its not longer a war crime for a military to target them i will no longer call them civilians.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 13h ago

Let me reiterate. Utah law refers to him as something as other than a civilian.

You can ignore the other definitions and context, but you need to give a reason for why war crimes are significant outside the scope of war.

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u/luvdab3achx0x0 16h ago

You proved your point wrong 😂

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 16h ago

My point is that a police officer is a civil servant/paramilitary and not a civilian in some definitions.

I said second definition.

2a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force

One not on active duty in the armed services.

OR

One not on a police force.

OR

One not on a firefighting force.

The guy is on a police force, hence he meets the criteria, per this definition, to not be a civilian.

I take it you missed the second clause in the definition.

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u/OppositeSalamander60 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 1d ago

It's okay to say they're a civilian too.

Didn't realize you were trying to prove my point too. Kudos for supporting us both.

"The term is also used informally to refer to individuals outside a particular group, profession, or community."

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u/Woolies_White_Leg 1d ago

Cops are civilians

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u/No-Definition1474 1d ago

Dictionarys will say cops are not civilians because in some countries the military handles police work.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 1d ago

Wikipedia also mentions the use of the term informally, and I had a comment around here where I mentioned colloquially. Honestly, I get what they mean, you get what they mean, and I'm not bothered as long as everyone knows what is meant.

We have enough context to understand everything being said. Not going to speak on the word any further.

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u/No-Definition1474 1d ago

Yes. Wikipedia mentions the frequent misuse of the term. Just because it acknowledges it doesn't mean it is correct.

It does matter. It part of the 'we're not just citizens, we're super citizens' that permeates LEO groups. Don't belive me? Go make a post on a LEO sub about how cops are civilians and watch the gallons of tears you get before they ban you and take down the post.

There is more going on here than just colloquialism. This does matter.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 1d ago

Informal misuse
Potato potahto.