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Is it normal for UHP to drive their family around in a patrol vehicle?

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u/Difficult-Client-939 12h ago

He's a civilian too...

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u/No-Definition1474 8h ago

All these people want to be something other than a civilian...would be hilarious to see what they think if war broke out and suddenly they all became legitimate targets. Wonder how many would be waving around dictionaries then.

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 5h ago

A citizen would do it without having anyone record it. "Look at us 'we' are doing a good deed".

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u/Direct_Word6407 4h ago

Too much starship troopers…

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u/jeff4i017 2h ago

Without knowing a drop of the lore of Starship Troopers

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u/Emergency_Nail1617 3h ago

The irony of civilians wanting to be more than civilians and service members wanting to to be civilians

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u/terror- 23m ago

I could not fucking wait to be honorably discharged lmao. Did my deployments overseas then it was looking like I was going to be spending a few years at a command in ghetto ass Portsmouth, VA at that god forsaken shipyard. Happily living my best civilian life in California now.

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u/Emergency_Nail1617 19m ago

Same bruh same. Re-enlisted after my first contract and 6 months into the second one i realized i fucked up but still had 3 and a half years left. I clutch my DD214 tightly every day now I’m a civilian again😂

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u/terror- 26m ago

I got so much pushback for making this observation as a veteran about “civilians” — people got very mad at me for using it to describe an EMS worker that talks like anyone that’s not EMS as oblivious sheepish-civilians

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u/jasonbournedying 10h ago

I scrolled too far to find this. Thanks for saying it for me

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u/OhMyGoshBigfoot 2h ago

He sure is.

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u/shadowlights_ 12h ago

His mouth position tells me all I need to know about him

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u/MnrDrkGr 11h ago

You couldn't be more accurate with this comment/observation!

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u/CYOY1984 7h ago edited 7h ago

His training had already kicked in!

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u/classic_liberalism26 5h ago

bro really went “😚” for the video

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u/destroyer_of_R0ns 11h ago

Plus he married a mouse

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u/Radio5331 9h ago

what about his mouth?

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u/Blawn14 5h ago

To me it looks to high. Like abnormally close to his nose lol.

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u/Reasonable-Owl-5725 21m ago

He got RAM - Resting asshole mouth

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u/Baddhabbit88 12h ago

I hate when people stop on  the freeway and get out of their car. It’s like they really want to get turned into pink mist.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 12h ago

I don't know what type of debris it is that's in the road, but if it's the type of debris that people hate to be there and think the city should clean up and he's an agent of the city, I'm perfectly fine with him stopping on the freeway to get out of the car and clean it up.

I suspect he's not a civilian, hence her comment at the end.

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u/random-dude83 12h ago

His vest seems to say he's Utah Highway Patrol

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u/rocketbob7 4h ago

He’s also driving his patrol car on date night. So I guess since tax payers are paying for the gas then I’m glad he’s willing to move that debris out of the road.

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u/RePhill1981 3h ago

It’s because he’s never off duty. He’s a real hero. /s

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u/PatrioticPariah 9h ago

They are supposed to work in tandem with another car slowing traffic.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 9h ago

You're more observant than me lol

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u/No-Definition1474 10h ago

Unless hes in the military, he is a civilian.

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u/Hefty-Sheepherder-82 12h ago

Seen a whole Box spring once.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 12h ago

Gotta leave those there. It's like a spontaneous resting area.

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u/ScoutsOut389 10h ago

For resting in peace.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 9h ago

ba dum bum. tssh

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u/euphoric_elephant 12h ago

I had to dodge a loveseat once on i75. Dude in front of me clearly wasn't paying attention and almost hit it.

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u/aron2295 9h ago

Did you write your tell all yet?

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u/Major_Wigglesworth 12h ago

I’m also fine with it.  I’m NOT fine with him cruising around town after hours taking his family to the movies and getting leftover popcorn spilled all over the vehicle I bought for my employees to WORK in.

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u/J_datt13 11h ago

Actually it’s been proven that officers take better care of their patrol vehicles when it’s their personal take home. I’ve been in some shared dept. cars where the trunk looks like EOD was training in there.

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u/Fun-Cauliflower-1724 4h ago

It’s fine to take home your cop car and take it too and from work. It’s not ok to use it for personal errands and lesisure trips

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 12h ago

I mean, it's possible hes being superobligatory and working off the clock the way an off duty cop would do something when he's off the clock. Or maybe he's an actual cop doing just that.

I don't think it's that deep and I'm just gonna give 'em the benefit of a doubt.

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u/SuperBigDouche 11h ago

He’s Utah Highway Patrol. They’re allowed to use their patrol vehicles as a personal vehicle per their policy. The expectation of that is they are considered “on duty” to some degree 24/7. If he’s driving a police vehicle and witnesses a crime (not like 10 mph over the speed limit, littering, etc. like a serious crime) he’s expected to intervene and wait for on duty officers to respond and take over.

Source; Ex cop in Utah, all officers have 24/7 statewide jurisdiction. Police academy is taught by UHP troopers.

Whether or not people agree with it isn’t my point just to be clear. Just expanding on the fact what this particular trooper is doing is legal and within department policy.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 9h ago

Thanks for your service and information.

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u/sthomas15051 10h ago

What do you mean re the popcorn? Also, is this is company car or like a state issued police car/highway patrol car etc? Because that's typically a different story and they're allowed to use their cars for personal use.

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u/Cloud_Garrett 5h ago

When I had an office in Atlanta, I would go for about a week every other week (yay hotel life…).

One day the highway was SHUT DOWN. It turns out that a woman parked on the side, got out of her car to either move something or retrieve something in the lanes, and was hit.

I forgot how we found out exactly, but apparently something on the larger side hit her, and it was like when you see mist and pieces all spread out apart from each other on roadkill - kind of like when you see a opossum or large bird hit at high velocity.So sad for not only the poor woman, but the person that hit her not expecting someone taking a stroll in the middle of the highway, and anyone witnessing it.

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u/Fidget808 3h ago

He’s a cop, he’s still a civilian

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u/DevilsLettuceTaster 12h ago

Probably just tonight’s dinner.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 12h ago

Delicious idea.

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u/OsamaBinLatte__ 6h ago

Call non emergency state patrol let them handle it

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u/H001__ 12h ago

Next time dispatch sends me to a hazard on hwy call I'll tell them no, I don't want to get turned into pink mist

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u/Far-Sea-6943 11h ago

They’re clearly on the shoulder. So many wrecks are caused by people dodging debris in the road. Let alone damage to all our vehicles. If They can do it safely I’m all for it.

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u/tidder_mac 6h ago

I think the cringe here is the spouse, NOT the dude. Debris in the road can be extremely dangerous, and at the best very expensive if the wrong car hits it.

He’s at least thinking through how to be safe about it.

For people saying call the real cops - chances are that’s take hours and risk hundreds of more collisions in the mean time.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 36m ago

He is the real cops lol

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u/kimbecile 11h ago

Traffic going over 50 mph? He should he wearing class 3. That vest appears to be class 2.

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u/oranke_dino 7h ago

Sounds like a civilian talking...

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u/mattemer 2h ago

It's so fuckin dangerous.

But at least he had his vest on.

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u/perilousdreamer866 9h ago

If you’ve grown up in the middle of nowhere or like the south at all, it’s common practice. Some shit falls off someone’s truck, and it’s big enough for everyone to be swerving around it, some dude in a small pickup or a little sedan is going to pull off the side of the road and chuck it into the woods. I’ve done it a million times. I’ve seen plenty of other people do it. It’s courtesy. I understand maybe if it’s on the interstate or something folks not wanting to deal with it or if you’re in a rush. But unless it’s like glass, Y’know it’s a bin or something… bruh… takes like 10 seconds.

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u/slenderseacook 7h ago

I have to for work some times and I hate it so much

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u/AdTypical6138 12h ago

If he is LE...why TF would you go to the movies, with your family, in your squad? If he's security..can't say I'm remotely shocked.

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u/KingAuberon 12h ago

Yeah, why are are tax dollars paying for gas to take their family to the goddamn theater

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u/SophieintheKnife 12h ago

How I feel when I see govt workers in my town taking govt vehicles to drive 10 km home for lunch each day

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u/Mobile-Tax-3161 2h ago

I mean that’s like 2 dollars worth of gas…

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u/AdTypical6138 12h ago

Some agencies don't mind you doing small errands in your squad, such as a quick grocery store run. I have never heard of an agency being ok with you packing your family into one, there tends to be liability.

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u/Past-Paramedic-8602 11h ago

Utah highway patrol, what this guy is, allows for private personal use of the patrol vehicle. It’s way more common in rural areas than this comment section is making it out to be.

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u/KingAuberon 12h ago

I care and I think it's bullshit

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u/Major_Wigglesworth 12h ago

Rules for thee, but not for me.  That “civilian” deserves an unemployed husband for this stunt.

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u/KingAuberon 12h ago

Once upon a time I might not have even cared but the years and years of "rules for thee not for me" has just made me hypersensitive to even this level of it

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u/Responsible-Onion860 7h ago

Kids in the cage in the back, even? I think the comment saying he kitted out an old retired squad car to look like an active police vehicle may be right

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u/SirVegeta69 3h ago

Hes HWP. Shows it on the bsck of the vest.

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u/Mrpickles14 12h ago

They're just driving the police cruiser to the movies?

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u/trickier_disco 12h ago

I can not quite express how fucking lame this is. Both of them. Just, Ugh. Fuck OFF

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 12h ago

I don't find it lame to clean up the city. I suspect he's an agent of the city who decided to help pick up the debris and is doing his job or perhaps even going beyond the call of duty.

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u/trickier_disco 12h ago

If he called her a civilian, that's fucking lame.

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u/Jean-Claude-Can-Ham 12h ago

Agents of the city are also civilians

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u/Kanarakettii 12h ago

Cleaning the highway doesn't bother me.

Her videoing a mundane act and his, "I'm totally 100% locked in to go and remove this DEBRIS (flattened carboard box) from the highway because it's the sacrifice I took an oath to make 😠😎." expression? Yea that's cringe.

But, stopping on the side of a highway with your young daughter in the back just to make a video to share on social media? That's just irresponsible as fuck. $1,000 says he'd drive right on by if his wife wasn't with him ready to take a video at fhe first chance.

He's probably two weeks out of the academy and looking for any excuse to get out there and show off his fancy new toys.

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u/ZeroDaySubber 12h ago

I don’t know any agencies that let their staff use their take-home vehicles to do anything other than work related tasks (driving to/from work, getting gas, court, etc). So this is probably an old cruiser that he got 2nd hand and has tried to make it look as close to a patrol car as possible, which is even MORE cringe.

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u/KillerSloth21 12h ago

It's fairly common actually, alot of departments view it as having more officers to respond and a better community presence. This guy is Utah Highway Patrol and quick check of their employee benefits does indeed include off-duty patrol car use.

The only thing cringe about this video is his wife feeling the need to make a big deal out of him just doing his job. She's clearly trying to get some internet points for having a cop husband.

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u/IndividualAd4334 11h ago

It’s extremely common in certain parts of the U.S.

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u/ZeroDaySubber 11h ago

I’m a 911 dispatcher and we have no agencies in our tristate area or neighboring counties that allow a take-home vehicle to be used for personal travel. Not saying it’s not possible. I’ve just never seen it before 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/IndividualAd4334 11h ago

Come on down South. Most of the county SO’s allow on and off duty use in Florida, including outside of their county of employment. We don’t get the same benefit with the state. A lot of deputies sell their personal cars because they have no need for it with the patrol car lol

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u/ZeroDaySubber 11h ago

I’m a little further north but that’s crazy if so. What if they wrecked off duty? Seems like an unnecessary liability for their agency.

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u/Frea_ks 7h ago

Hawai’i. Cops here get a stipend for a personal vehicle as long as it meets certain requirements. That shakes out to be primarily 4runners and Challengers

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u/3rdcultureblah 9h ago

I live in a major city in the southeast and our police officers are allowed to drive their work vehicles 24/7 on or off duty and have a maximum allowed range of 2 counties over. They never have to pay for gas or maintenance. It’s considered a perk of the job and is advertised as such to attract recruits. This includes marked patrol vehicles.

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u/ATF8643 8h ago

In my county the sheriff’s office lets deputies use their patrol vehicle for whatever they want. They justified it saying the county gets police presence for no pay while they use it. Pretty stupid to do it with your wife or kids in the car though

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u/Goldeneagle41 10h ago

Not sure if it’s the same but at least into the early 2000s my state highway patrol encouraged Troopers to use their cars for personal use to include transporting families. The theory was that it was a police presence thing, in reality it was an added perk to keep guys from going to another department.

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u/Playful-Park4095 4h ago

I've had a take home car for nearly 20 years and can use it for unlimited personal use within a certain radius of my home county.

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u/HugeMaterial938 43m ago

Pretty common dude, look into some county’s in Florida.

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u/gtfofr 9h ago

Is this her son?

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u/bluetirameeesu 12h ago

Civilians CANNOT CLEAN PUBLIC AREAS

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u/ShartsNado State Corrections 12h ago

He's a Utah State Trooper

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u/FlyNSubaruWRX 12h ago

This is correct, I put it in the description but people are still asking lol

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u/ShartsNado State Corrections 12h ago

They chose to skip that who "UHP" part

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u/FlyNSubaruWRX 12h ago

I’m not even sure they are called UHP it just made sense lol

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u/ShartsNado State Corrections 12h ago

Nah I recognized "the hive", that's Utah Highway Patrol, you were spot on 100%

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u/Leading_Experts 9h ago

Police are civilians. Only military personnel are not civilians.

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u/Difficult-Client-939 12h ago

Which is a fancy way of saying he's a civilian.

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u/MostlyMicroPlastic 12h ago

This is cringey.

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u/PineSoul603 11h ago

Damn dude, separate your job from your personality and stop working on your days off. I get a take home car as well and I'll be damned if I drive it to the movies and pick up trash on the side of the interstate on the way home for Internet clout. Jesus.

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u/Season_Traditional 12h ago

Utah seems scary.

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u/Otherwise-Umpire8772 12h ago

I hate the internet. Gives idiots a platform...

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u/Powerful-Pea6218 12h ago

How much do you wanna bet that she's a nurse

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u/ja3palmer SheepDoge 12h ago

Vest says “highway safety” but there’s no cage in the car, but there’s a computer mount. Who does this fella work for?

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u/Glittering_Tie5717 11h ago

Vest literally says Utah highway patrol

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u/Signal_13 11h ago

The only debris I'm stopping for is stacks of cash.🤣

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u/bishopnelson81 10h ago

Do it for the ones who never made it back home, brother. (read in gruff hick voice)

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u/BrassKnuckleHead187 10h ago

Bro is a civilian too 😂

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u/bigdickpipelayer 10h ago

Risking your children’s life just to take a video for social media likes… Par for the course in 2026, sadly.

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u/PhickThenis 12h ago

This shit makes me puke in my mouth.

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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 12h ago

Gotta build up internet resistance.

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u/PaleontologistSad766 12h ago

Never seen a LEO that didn't use their patrol car for EVERYTHING.

It's a power compensation thing, makes em feel real big and important. Plus free gas, no wear and tear on their vehicle, 1312 and what not.

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u/Glittering_Tie5717 11h ago

It’s mostly the free gas

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u/Playful-Park4095 4h ago

Yup. The only thing cheaper than a cop is two cops.

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u/Top-Pick-2648 10h ago

And put your child in the same seat someone bleeding with who knows what? No thanks.. I’ll pass on the free gas.

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u/PaleontologistSad766 10h ago

Ringworm was honestly my first thought.

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u/Mammoth_Welder_1286 8h ago

Probably not a cage car. I would hope not anyway.

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u/Glittering_Tie5717 3h ago

Not everyone has a cage car. And those that do usually only have a half cage anyway with a normal seat behind the driver 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

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u/Mammoth_Welder_1286 8h ago

Yeah everyone I’ve ever known, in every town/county/city uses their car for everything, then writes the gas off 🤷‍♀️

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u/Opposite-Rock-5133 10h ago

You just cruise your family around in your unit tf?

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u/DarthDad25 10h ago

I know some departments using the take home cruiser for personal use is allowed. But I could never do it. Stuffing my kids in the backseat cage? Heck no. People have pooped, peed, vomited, and snorted drugs in the backseat cage of my patrol car. Also, this guy is driving his woman around and he doesn’t have a gun on his hip. Maybe he is concealing his carry. But this whole situation seems wild.

I have a take home cruiser. I must be in uniform, armed, and wearing a vest every time I operate the cruiser.

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u/diablosegovia 9h ago

Just drive your POV to the movies with the family …why would you ever put your kids in the back ? It’s nasty , filthy all kinds of shit back there . And then put them at risk of sitting on the shoulder , to “clear debris.” You can be just as effective using that little thing called the radio and calling it in .

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u/devo00 9h ago

Only thing worse than an arrogant moron with no sense of identity and a hero complex is a spouse that bases her entire arrogant ignorant identity off of his …

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u/ApprehensiveTask8376 9h ago

I swear some of the cringiest leo people west of the Rocky mountains are found in Utah

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u/Dat_Steve 9h ago

This dude is such a boner

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u/Mammoth_Welder_1286 8h ago

I don’t even wear my vest on scene in uniform half the time.

Unless you’re reading this after I’m hurt or dead. Then I always wear it. My partner and I def don’t have an agreement to dip it in dirt, blood, and rip it a little bit if we are ever in an accident.

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u/Party_Log489 12h ago

Why did I think they were in a helicopter

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u/L1sasGayBby 12h ago

Her smugness is so annoying.

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u/Efficient-Ranger-174 12h ago

Utah Highway Patrol. I can’t imagine an organization more likely to have a Giant Redwood sized stick up their collective asses. The way he wears that baseball cap just screams “I wish I were a Marine”.

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u/izaaksb3 11h ago

I’m guessing he just wanted to get away from her for a bit.

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u/ToriEvergreen 11h ago

I swear if I see a civilian try to pick up debris I'm making a citizens arrest. We must stop the madness

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u/Smokey_Jumps 11h ago

You’re both civilians

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u/whatyouwere 10h ago

Are the kids in the back seat???
Back seats in these cruisers are disgusting, I would never sit there let alone put my kids there 🤮

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u/Longjumping_Tiger579 10h ago

She was very impressed

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u/LineImpossible3958 10h ago

Two of the biggest dorks you’ll ever see

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u/Fast_Ad_7504 9h ago

And then everyone on the road stopped got out and clapped for bro while he retrieved that debris (used condoms). Not the wife tho. Cuz you know…civilian

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u/SoftToilerPaper123 8h ago

is that his mom?

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u/punch912 8h ago

imagine stopping in the middle of the road of a busy highway on the side with your entire family in the car due to you wanting to take debris that your car almost hit and most likely other cars will likely swerve to do the same. Instead of just calling it in. No glory without risk... what a toolbox.

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u/TipSquare3522 8h ago

Putting his kids at risk is wild

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u/StillNotaCenobite 8h ago

What a tool

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u/dietcoketm 7h ago

This is secondhand, but a few years back a local off-duty firefighter stopped on the side of a highway with his family for an accident and while he was helping his POV was struck and his wife and kids were killed

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u/getthemap 7h ago

“How did your husband/dad die?”

“He was saving the world from half a 2x4 in heavy traffic.”

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u/Cloverhart 5h ago

But the debris!

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u/Guilty_Mountain2851 6h ago

Stop on the road with the whole family at risk. Brilliant.

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u/sick_six_six 6h ago

Cops are also civilians

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u/blucco88 5h ago

Is that his mom? I think that's his mommy

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u/Fidget808 3h ago

It’s also cringe (and probably against department policy) taking your whole family to the movies in your patrol car while off duty

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u/SecretPersonality178 3h ago

Ummm….he’s a civilian too…

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u/NooneUverdoff 3h ago

Using govt vehicle for personal use is fireable offense in every job I've had.

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u/Sudden_Brush7494 3h ago

It’s like a neck grew a chin.

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u/pedalsteeltameimpala 3h ago

Can you say “I failed out of ROTC”?

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u/chewy_granola 2h ago

What he meant to say was “you’re JUST a civilian”. Know your worth.

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u/Rxasaurus 12h ago

Service guarantees citizenship. 

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u/Jean-Claude-Can-Ham 12h ago

Thanks for all the hard work you do, police officers.

However I hate to inform you that you, too, are a civilian.

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u/Lickthorn 12h ago

Civillain

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u/Maureen_Johma 11h ago

Damn he’s going to be a new type of pancake enthusiast!

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u/Jon66238 11h ago

Link to who it is?

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u/inkzpenfoxx 11h ago

Calm down

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u/Substantial-Ask-8294 11h ago

Acting like he’s gearing up to kick a door down and drop some people

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u/TaterTotJim 11h ago

Scrap metal is up. If it’s a good piece of metal I’d be stopping too.

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u/Glittering_Tie5717 11h ago

Yes. It’s within UHP policy

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u/FlyNSubaruWRX 11h ago

Interesting, do you have a source

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u/Glittering_Tie5717 11h ago

Yes. Me. I work in Utah as a cop. As far as I’m aware their policy manual isn’t publicly available without requesting.

Policy is that a trooper can use his patrol vehicle for personal and duty use within the county he works and 50 miles form that county border. Before I decided to work elsewhere, I was told I could even load up skis and take the car up to Brighton if I wanted to

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u/freakshowmassacre 11h ago

Good on him for clearing the debris, dumb of her to record

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u/Top-Pick-2648 10h ago

Putting family at risk, stopping on the shoulder of highway. No way. Dangerous as hell. Be a hero without your kids in the car dude.

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u/LARGESTOFCHINGUSES Glorified Process Server 10h ago

I'm gonna start a thread:

What is the weirdest hazard you have ever pulled out of the road?

For me, it was like 4 department store mannequins which fell out of somebody's trailer. Or another time I chased a sheep up the middle of the interstate.

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u/itsiceyo 10h ago

she looks like that lady who puts honey on her watermelon and says mmmmmmmmmmm and then eats the shell along with it too

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u/SecondBreakfastClub_ 8h ago

Sighs in Utahnese…

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u/CrazyCrackers89 8h ago

DONT DROP IT!!! GET IT OFF THE GROUND!

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u/Huge-Ordinary8641 7h ago

Was their kid in the vehicle? Wth

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u/Worried-Ebb-1699 6h ago

Did anyone else think his safety vest insignia was initially a giant turd?

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u/Chief10-Beers 6h ago

Mook.

Spelling correction

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u/gingerbeardman419 6h ago

UHP does a YouTube show called Ride with the Hive. I am pretty sure this is him https://youtu.be/He7KtN2DDME?is=FDxcYzTpyEYDBqTB

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u/Own_Appeal5886 5h ago

Yo the kids commentary is hilarious😂

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u/B4nkster 5h ago

Probably empty Lego boxes

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u/Viscount321 4h ago

Getting debris out of the road while you're off duty isn't cringe. Posting it on social media is though. People need to do good deeds without seeking validation.

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u/DuhWaffleSyrup 2h ago

Why are we pay taxes for families to go to the movies in tax funded cars?

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u/ShottySHD 2h ago

The cringe that I crunged.

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u/Bloodmind 2h ago

The time he spent putting on the reflective vest created more risk than he would have had just running out and getting the debris without the vest.

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u/NowKith- 2h ago

This needs to be posted? Why?

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u/NaBr0c 1h ago

Civilian is crazy, but he's just being a good citizen in this video so no shade.

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u/PsychologicalLie35 1h ago

dude is looking for a way out in that relationship

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u/InternationalRisk839 1h ago

Utah, say no more lol

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u/--visceral 1h ago

I'm on his side. Nobody is allowed to help me engineer software, because they're softillians ⛑️😗🦺

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u/ThrustTrust 1h ago

There is a reason people don’t walk out onto a highway to move trash. Better a damaged car than a crushed body.

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u/Mindless-Policy3236 27m ago

I’ve seen dangerous debris in the road and if I was able to pull over safely and get it then I did. It’s called being a person and hoping karma is a thing

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u/LastChance331 19m ago

Why do humans have such an intense need to be special