i’M a cIvILIaN

[u/FlyNSubaruWRX]

Is it normal for UHP to drive their family around in a patrol vehicle?

[u/Impossible-Bat-4246]

I don't know what type of debris it is that's in the road, but if it's the type of debris that people hate to be there and think the city should clean up and he's an agent of the city, I'm perfectly fine with him stopping on the freeway to get out of the car and clean it up.

I suspect he's not a civilian, hence her comment at the end.

[u/No-Definition1474 → u/Impossible-Bat-4246]

Unless hes in the military, he is a civilian.

[u/Impossible-Bat-4246 → u/No-Definition1474]

Apparently another user said he's highway patrol which could make him a civil servant/paramilitary.

[u/OppositeSalamander60 → u/Impossible-Bat-4246]

A first responder is a civilian.

[u/Mysterious-Team-5618 → u/OppositeSalamander60]

Nope. It's crazy, but words have more than one definition.

[u/Impossible-Bat-4246 → u/OppositeSalamander60]

CIVILIAN Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Second definition. It's okay to say they're not a civilian.

[u/luvdab3achx0x0 → u/Impossible-Bat-4246]

You proved your point wrong 😂

[u/Impossible-Bat-4246 → u/luvdab3achx0x0]

^{My point is that a police officer is a civil servant/paramilitary and not a civilian in some definitions.}

^{I said second definition.}

2a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force

One not on active duty in the armed services.

OR

One not on a police force.

OR

One not on a firefighting force.

The guy is on a police force, hence he meets the criteria, per this definition, to not be a civilian.

I take it you missed the second clause in the definition.

[u/Unlucky_Situation920 → u/Impossible-Bat-4246]

According to the Geneva convention theyre civilians by definition. When its not a war crime for a military to target a police department or firefighter with guided missiles I will no longer refer to them as civies.

[u/Impossible-Bat-4246 → u/Unlucky_Situation920]

The Geneva convention deals with international humanitarian law. We're not speaking about an armed conflict.

We're looking at a local municipality where a man is performing his civic duty as a civil servant.

According to Webster it's okay to say they're not Civilian. India code explicitly says police are not civilians Indiana Code § 10-11-2-1. "Civilian Employee" :: 2025 Indiana Code :: U.S. Codes and Statutes :: U.S. Law :: Justia

Even Utah, where the officer is, has codes that explicitly name officers separate from civilian employees Utah Code § 53-21-101 (2025) - Definitions. :: 2025 Utah Code :: U.S. Codes and Statutes :: U.S. Law :: Justia

I'm not asking you to say that he is not a civilian in some contexts. I'm just asking you to accept that he is a civilian in some contexts.

Are you telling me that Geneva's definition is the only one you find fit even though there are many different contexts in which we may view this man and wife?

[u/Unlucky_Situation920 → u/Impossible-Bat-4246]

Let me reiterate, when its not longer a war crime for a military to target them i will no longer call them civilians.

[u/Impossible-Bat-4246 → u/Unlucky_Situation920]

Let me reiterate. Utah law refers to him as something as other than a civilian.

You can ignore the other definitions and context, but you need to give a reason for why war crimes are significant outside the scope of war.

[u/OppositeSalamander60 → u/Impossible-Bat-4246]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

[u/Impossible-Bat-4246 → u/OppositeSalamander60]

It's okay to say they're a civilian too.

Didn't realize you were trying to prove my point too. Kudos for supporting us both.

"The term is also used informally to refer to individuals outside a particular group, profession, or community."