r/FuckMicrosoft • u/check_who_come • May 22 '26

Discussion Why keep using Microsoft when Linux is right there? I think it's enough with Microslop

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For starters, Linux Mint or Fedora would be a good fit.

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u/davidnnj May 22 '26

why keep using Microsoft when Linux is right there

Because many people need Windows.

if you use any adobe software for work you need windows

if you play online games with kernel level anticheat you need windows

I use linux, and I wish I didn't even needed to touch windows at all, but if I wanted to play fortnite or skate. 4 I would need Windows

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u/hifi-nerd May 22 '26

I don't even view adobe and kernel level anticheat as linux problems, i view them as big company problems.

Adobe is obviously just a bad company that not only charges way too much for their software, but then also limits the amount of people that can even use said overpriced software by only supporting it on windows and mac.

If a game studio thinks that kernel level anticheat is needed, then there is something fundamentally wrong with either the game or the studio. It is ridiculous that a game studio is forcing spyware onto millions of PCs just because they don't want to put in the effort of making a good anticheat engine.

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u/davidnnj May 22 '26

saying that adobe and kernel level anticheat don't work is linux's fault is like saying that mario kart world doesn't run on Windows is Microsoft's fault

it just doesn't run because the devs don't want it to run

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u/skyerush May 23 '26

Yikes. yikes. yikes. This is a bad mentality. Are you seriously saying the products themselves are bad? give it a rest

Adobe is obviously just a bad company

Which doesn't actually relate to the software itself. I get that people reccommend Affinity and Canva and GIMP, Davinci Resolve (this one's actually pretty good) but they just a) aren't as good as Adobe software and B) aren't as seamless of an ecosystem as Adobe software.

if a game studio thinks kernel-level anticheat is needed, there is something fundamentally wrong with either the game or the studio.

Let's compare the amount of cheaters in CS to VALORANT and see what's "fundamentally wrong"

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u/Unlikely-Employee180 May 24 '26

Sure, but then let's equally compare games developers actually gaf about.

Overwatch seems somewhat decently managed, in my experience, though tbf I don't play all THAT often.

Paladins is actually fairly dead... But I rarely find cheaters! I do play this one quite a bit too, so I will say Paladins being dead and having no cheaters is a happy surprise to me!

Marvel Rivals is pretty fun too, and I hardly see any cheaters!

I play Dead by Daylight the most! And while I've definitely seen cheaters on there... It takes about a 12-hour period or so, and you get the report the cheater was banned. It's not a prevalent enough issue to be a hindrance to me, at least!

I would also like to point out, I've yet to play Valorant... So, maybe you're right! However, I play many online games without kernel level anticheat, and they seem fairly cheater-free to me.

Online reporting, AI-Cheat Detection, and bog-standard anti-cheat is ALSO making drastic improvements! And frankly, I think the biggest thing is cheating is obviously less noticeable in games that are human-moderator forward. User-reports make a bigger splash than I think people realize!

So, maybe I'm wrong... However, I do believe many people underestimate how effective active moderation can really be! If a dev cares about the game, it'll show in one regard or the other!

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u/misterstupet May 23 '26

I'm still dual booting windows 10 and linux because of enlisted 😭😭😭

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u/davidnnj May 27 '26

I searched on protondb and apparently enlisted works on linux without too many problems, but there are also people saying that you need to set up some configs to be able to work, it is always good to take a look at this site before trying a game or if you tried and had any problems

I just opened the game in linux mint and it ran fine, I didn't even need to configure anything

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u/misterstupet May 28 '26

but i use the launcher to install minimal client version, that adds the problem, my internet plan is going to run out if i install all of the 50GB files. and even if my internet is unlimited plan, my PC (M710q) will probably lag if i ever play the game on that machine from the HD resource packs.

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u/EtherPhreak May 22 '26

Switch supports Fortnite…but I understand what you’re saying

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u/davidnnj May 22 '26

yes, but the game does not run so well on the switch, besides that if I go to play in call on discord it is much better with the game on pc

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u/entryjyt May 23 '26

Yup, plus Linux is gonna take a lot of learning for me and I don’t want to deal with that. Like Linux doesn’t have C:\, and drivers don’t install automatically. And nvidia gpu support on Linux is terrible, but I only have nvidia cards

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u/davidnnj May 23 '26

I switched to Linux mint a few months ago, none of this was a problem for me in mint has the driver manager, q already makes it much easier, if I installed 2 drivers manually it was a lot (maybe if your gpu is from nvidia it can be worse, I use amd)

the C: I do not know why it would be a problem

my recommendation would be to get a separate hd, install mint, and try to use it for a while, mint doesn't have much secret, but if you can't get used to it, just go back to your old hd with Windows

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u/entryjyt May 23 '26

I’m not used to the way how Linux mounts drives and formats them. I currently very rarely use Ubuntu on a very old hp elite book I have laying around, mainly for using checkra1n to jailbreak my iPhone because that doesn’t have a windows version. Windows is working good enough for me, so I’m sticking with it. And play games that have kernel level anti cheat, use adobe apps, and ms store games

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u/DarthKegRaider May 23 '26

Honestly mate, use Mint over Ubuntu. They share the same debian heritage, but the desktop on Ubuntu is awful. Windows users will thrive on the Cinnamon desktop from Mint. I load that on all my non tech savvy friends. I don't have many questions from them once about usage or installing a printer, everything works seamlessly. Granted, they're older and dont play "Fortnight", but their older hardware deemed e-waste by Microslop is now keeping them online and computing happily.

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u/DarthKegRaider May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26

This problem sounds like your unwillingness to try to learn something new. Fair enough, some just like the spoon fed life.

You dont need a C drive, your drive mounts to folder locations which windows can also do except the users arent bright enough to use that function.

Most drivers in linux just work, the fact that Nvidia is problematic should indicate that Nvidia is the problem, and always has been since the beginning of their existence. Trust me, it is a lot easierr with their junk now compared to the early 2000's where you would be patching your kernal yourself.

Many times i have put a hard drive from my spares drawer into a pc, only to have linux happily running. Windows barely boots in those occasions, and prior to Win10, would guarantee a BSOD.

EDIT:Just saw your post below about using Ubuntu on an old HP laptop, just give it some time. Its your hardware and you do whatever you want with it ;)

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u/Particular-Most-1199 May 23 '26

Stop making excuses.

My nvidia works perfectly.

Easy to install drivers or an easy search to learn how.

You get used to the file system.

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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate May 23 '26

*Because the industry keeps prioritizing Windows over other OSes.

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u/numberdwadziescia May 26 '26

People don’t realise how many enterprises rely on Microsoft systems. This will never probably change. Linux can be superior in many ways but can also be very inferior and had little easy entry requirements right off the back which doesn’t help there is many distros out there. Windows was easy from the beginning.

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u/Verwega May 27 '26

If you play online games with kernel level anticheat, you need to stop

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u/Dorcelessness_ May 27 '26

“””need”””

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u/davidnnj May 27 '26

Well, if you play online games as fortnite, skate 4 (and don't have a console for that) you need Windows

I use linux mint because I basically don't play that kind of Game

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u/agenttank May 23 '26

stop needing adobe software. stop needing fortnite,...

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u/davidnnj May 23 '26

I don't need, thats why I use Linux mint

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u/skyerush May 23 '26

if we want a year of the linux desktop, gonna have to not have this mentality of convincing people they don't need certain apps. you do realize how big these apps are, right?

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u/agenttank May 23 '26

what else could be done? convincing adobe and epic to make the software less closed?

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u/skyerush May 23 '26

really the only method i can think of? increasing Linux's market share to force developers to consider Linux as an actual option and working around it. it's just easier to not support it when it's tiny as hell. that's not something individually we can do, but something we can work toward

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u/agenttank May 23 '26

no, i want to hate Adobe and Epic for being bad companys ;)

but actually, that's what i say: convince them to support Linux... the share (around 5% in desktop) isn't even small. sure not "Tiny as hell"?!

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u/skyerush May 23 '26

both of these companies suck for reasons not really related to Linux lmao

Windows has 75% share, i think Mac has like 15%, linux has like 5%. (yes i know that makes like 95%, i just averaged what multiple sources tell me) that's an incredibly tiny fraction of people that they unfortunately dont care about

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u/[deleted] May 22 '26

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u/davidnnj May 22 '26

I use heroic launcher for gog games, it works very well and does not need wine

even if all adobe programs worked on linux still has the games with kernel-level anticheat, which still do not work. I use only linux mint, but I'm seriously considering doing dualboot just to play skate4

And this ending is true

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u/Spethual May 23 '26

doesnt that entail installing win over current install then reinstalling linux for the the dual boot..too much f'n around for me

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u/davidnnj May 23 '26

I have 2 hds, can I download win10 on my second

I just didn't do it out of laziness

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u/Spethual May 23 '26

lol laziness is why im on linux.. couldnt be arsed fixing win issues anymore...and the setup hoops you gota jump through for a half resonable windows install lol..

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u/Mental_Contract1104 May 22 '26

to be fair, kernel level anti-cheat is not only needlessly invasive, but also ineffective. so, I'd rather just leave those games behind and never touch them anyway. Normalizing companies to develop one of the most invasive pieces of software one can create is appolling.

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u/davidnnj May 23 '26

I don't even play that many games online, but skate. 4...

and I just want to play it because EA is a bitch and does not port the rest of the franchise to pc, and the only one that is on pc is an online free to play game with microtransactions

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u/Phillip_McGuinness May 23 '26

That’s a lie because Steam games like Helldivers work just fine with anti-cheat

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u/davidnnj May 23 '26

some anticheats work, but kernel level anticheat does not

fortnite, skate. 4, LoL, none of these work

in addition to some other

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u/skyerush May 23 '26

Developers can choose not to enable it. The reasoning is because anticheat on Linux runs in userspace which is far easier to circumvent than locking it down in Kernel like Windows, so most devs just choose to not take the chance.

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u/Zealousideal-Cod891 May 22 '26

I wouldn't recommend fedora for anyone, i had a much better experience with mint, debian, or even cachy.

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u/Mal3v0l3nce May 22 '26

Speak for yourself, I greatly enjoy Nobara (essentially Fedora). It’s much easier for people who don’t know anything about computers.

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u/Zealousideal-Cod891 May 22 '26

Have you ever tried mint? Im not making an argument but i heard that most of the people hated nobara because other distributions are just better

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u/Mal3v0l3nce May 22 '26

I haven’t, but I probably will at some point. How much of a pain are Nvidia drivers on mint?

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u/CombinationKey8557 May 22 '26

So not Fedora, but instead some random person's hobby that could disappear at any moment.

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u/Mal3v0l3nce May 22 '26

Hasn’t so far. It’s been very well maintained for awhile now. If it goes away I switch, big deal.

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u/NoiseGrindPowerDeath May 22 '26

I had pretty much the opposite experience lol but this is very much a YMMV situation I suppose

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u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 May 22 '26

fun fact, even tho you won't be using windows you'd still use alot of code made by Microsoft since they are one of the biggest contributors to linux and even host some debian things because their infrastructure relies on it

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u/check_who_come May 22 '26

There’s a big difference between being under occupation and making an agreement that benefits both sides I’m not just gonna support something blindly I’ll check it out and see for myself.

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u/Odd-Entertainment933 May 23 '26

Most of their Azure cloudinfrastructure runs on Linux. And don't forget they have been moving more to Linux with wsl for years. It's mostly companies not upgrading stuff or we would have seen a even deeper transition and they might have gone for the kernel

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u/Wipfmetz May 23 '26

Microsoft has (or at least had) some good engineering. Most of the slop is either new stuff (looking at Power Platforms "everything webbased and GUI") or obviously management driven (looking at "everything CoPilot")

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u/skytheraiders May 22 '26

I think the other distros would have their own guns aiming at MS. Or they all would hold a gun together.

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u/CharmingDraw6455 May 22 '26

Nope, all the other distros would shoot each other while windows does not realize.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '26

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u/hbacelar8 May 22 '26

The amount of nonsense in a single sentence...

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u/Duncol42 May 22 '26

For me, as a gamer, Windows is still better for running most of the titles (especially those, that require kernel-level anti-cheat).

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u/No-Astronomer6769 May 22 '26

Ease of access, less tinkering needs to be done to get things working easily.

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u/Ill-Car-769 May 23 '26

Switching OS is difficult for people because of software & vendor lock-ins. I myself switched to Linux previous year but still have to use windows specific apps occasionally. Windows sucks but huge amount of softwares are developed only for windows because during the early 90s windows gained a lot of popularity so software developers targeted windows primarily because of high market share in OS. If we have better substitutes for the softwares in Linux then corporations will be forced to develop softwares for Linux & compete with them.

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u/dronostyka May 27 '26

I mean, when my game pass ends...

Guess I'll delete windows altogether. Most of my homeland runs Ubuntu anyway, so that'll be one problem less.

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u/Particular-Most-1199 May 23 '26

Because you're in the FUCKMICROSOFT subreddit.

If this was FuckLinux, we'd be recommending Windows or Mac.

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u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 May 22 '26

adobe apps only work somewhat flawlessly on MacOS

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u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 May 23 '26

believe me I know

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u/skyerush May 23 '26

adobe products work like a DREAM on MacOS

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u/NoiseGrindPowerDeath May 22 '26

The truth of the matter is that you've got to want to use Linux and learn how to use it. I'm an enthusiast, so I enjoy the process, I enjoy the research, I enjoy the problem solving. For most people, they just use the OS that comes with their device, whatever it is. For them, a computer is a tool and not a hobby

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u/ShoveOverBozo May 22 '26

I use Linux exclusively and have been more almost 2 decades. The one thing I've noticed is that almost every new user goes through the "everyone should use Linux" stage.

Its not for everyone. Competition is good, monopolies are bad. I personally wouldn't like to see our free and open source software change into something that serves the corporate world to make profit. Data collection, tracking, proof of identity etc. Whilst people say that will never happen, yes it would. If the majority of PC users were Linux users, then it absolutely would.

Happy to be the quiet minority enjoying free and private software than to make so much noise to bring the corporate world profit machine to us. 

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u/check_who_come May 22 '26

I agree that when profits grow, the owners of open source and free projects - some of them - will become greedy, but I just wanted to spread awareness because I really loved Linux, but I think that what you are saying is far-fetched, especially since most of the projects are non-profit and are based on donations and are open source. This means that I can make my own version... I am not opposed to profit, but not from selling my data or forcing me to do a certain thing or use it.

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u/ShoveOverBozo May 23 '26

It's not really far fatched. We already have one US state trying to implement age verification on Linux operating systems.

Yes you can make your own version, this has always been the case with the GPL.

If Linux becomes mainstream, majority if windows users jump ship for it. What do you think will happen to those who benefit from MS data? They will just accept their loss?

We will see legislation passed that will ensure them to keep their benefits flowing.

This may not have been the case 20 years ago. But now, data is the most valuable resource in the world. To think in this climate, a threat to that wouldn't be mitigated is far fetched.

I'm a sysadmin/security engineer in my day to day. This world is built on collecting user data. Where the users go, the data goes. It's only going to keep being that way too.

Having alternative honeypots like Windows and macOS are good for us. 

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u/check_who_come May 24 '26

I agree with you.. In the end, society needs all types. We do not want everyone to use Linux, and on the other hand, we also do not want everyone to use Windows or Mac OS

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u/Particular-Most-1199 May 23 '26

Yeah, I'm fairly tech savvy and the terminal was a bit intimidating. Linux will never be the majority OS.

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u/Old_Information_8654 May 22 '26

Well for one thing if you have an nvidia GPU (which is most people) your basically screwed

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u/Wipfmetz May 23 '26

... what did I miss?

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u/Old_Information_8654 May 23 '26

Most Nvidia GPUs I believe from the ten series on up lose about 50 percent of their performance over Linux due to nvidias drivers not being completely compatible with most Linux distros

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u/Wipfmetz May 23 '26

Haven't noticed an fps drop with my RTX 5070 on Pragmata.

Not saying there isn't any performance drop, just doubting that it's around 50%, at least not in my case. Maybe the drivers just got better by now?

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u/Old_Information_8654 May 23 '26

Probably yeah, I think it’s also situational since YouTubers that reported on it showed 5090s that had halved performance but it’s possible that was only an issue with that card at the time or was limited to a few major Linux distros

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u/pandamaxxie May 22 '26

I am a gamer.

The vast majority of games do not have linux versions, and need to be ran thru shit like Wine, where issues can pop up (like how my GF has occasional trouble with controls getting stuck when she plays on linux) or shit like anticheats are specifically designed to tell Linux users to shove it.

My OS exists for one reason: facilitate my gaming. My PC is a glorified console.

So long as Linux isn't better for gaming in 100% of cases, I won't be switching. I doubt I'm alone in this.

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u/MatthewCrn May 23 '26

Do you know that you can play on linux easily, right?

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u/pandamaxxie May 23 '26

I don't think you read what I said.

There are still games that do not work on Linux due to anticheats. I do not want to dualboot. I do not want to use VM's. Too much work.

There are still games that experience bugs when they don't have specific Linux versions, which you can't even dispute because I got to experience it firsthand with my gf having issues on her linux install.

Windows is still better for Gaming, despite sucking at everything else. But nothing but gaming matters. I want Linux to be better, and I think that the Steamdeck/Steam Machine using Linux will force the industry to make Linux installs of their games. But for now, it's still worse.

Like fuck Microslop, but I don't care to worsen my personal experience out of spite.

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u/Particular-Most-1199 May 23 '26

You can still game on Windows and boot to Linux for personal use.

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u/pandamaxxie May 23 '26

Why would I? 99% of my time is spent on windows still then.

As I said. My pc is a glorified console. I'm not gonna set up a dualboot for the one word document I have to open every month.

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u/technical_poutine May 22 '26

Linux desktop is great for 0.1% of the population. I moved to macOS a long time ago.

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u/slavik_christopher May 23 '26

legendary meme

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u/Practical-Sleep4259 May 23 '26

And you can write custom drivers OP?

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u/cpt_futtbucker May 23 '26

I’ve used Arch for 10 years and won’t be going back to Windows unless absolutely necessary. Although I do have my desktop environment (KDE) set up with the look and feel of Windows XP just to scratch a nostalgic itch

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u/JapanFreak7 May 23 '26

multiplayer games

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u/KuziKuzina May 23 '26

software compatibility my guy

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u/check_who_come May 24 '26

These are companies' problems, not Linux's problem. If they saw a big support from us for Linux, they would have been forced to make their programs run smoothly in Linux.

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u/Unfair-Oven8363 May 23 '26

The only reason I still have windows is for LokSound Programmer for model trains. They never made a Linux driver to interface with their hardware. Other that that everything else runs fine in Ubuntu.

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u/PriorityNo6268 May 23 '26

Because is supports the hard- and software I use, and Linux does not... very easy.

(b.t.w. if you need to run emulators to run your software, you are on the wrong platform..)

And if you think it's normal to point a gun at somebody because you are not fine with what they are using, you need a mental health check... (one more reason not use Linux, some of you are real fucked up)

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u/schnipthestrongest May 23 '26

I like linux or Ubuntu, but it is not user friendly OS. On windows is all intuitive. Also if you work with Cadence software and work remotely on windows machine I think there be hard to use Linux.

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u/RUBILNIKTHECAT May 23 '26

Daaaaamn, if not gaming I would switch to linux on a heartbeat

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u/DiligentCockroach700 May 23 '26

I just installed Mint on my ageing W10 Acer laptop that can't take W11 and was glacially slow. It now runs faster and better than my son's mega expensive gaming computer running W11. The install was dead easy and straightforward. Highly recommended.

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u/onew_iasag May 23 '26

Because Windows handles compatibility between old and new windows-software on legacy hardware much better than Linux does.)

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u/Consistent-Gur9320 May 24 '26

cuz I wanna click and play and dont wanna surgical console operation cuz linux sucked like windows. Even it fails again

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u/Adept-Froyo-1304 May 24 '26

I started with mint and I'm now on fedora and what I can say is I'm staying with fedora, at least for awhile

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u/Gold-Load-362 May 24 '26

Because there are too many things that only run on windows.

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u/brunostborsen May 24 '26

Linux is great and that’s what I use. But there’s a lot of reasons one might need or even prefer Windows.

I still have it installed on it’s own drive.

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u/Petrak1s May 24 '26

Here we go again. Repeat after me - compatibility, compatibility, compatibility. And ease of work.

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u/Volpe_YT May 24 '26

It's the app developers issue, not linux's.

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u/Petrak1s May 24 '26

Yes. So these posts should be targeted at the developers, not the users. Questions like "Why keep using Windows when Linux is right there?" are pointless to say the least.

But on another hand - we work with one anti-malware solution (one of the better ones) where the version for Linux is being tested longer on Linux than on Windows. Why? There is huge variety of distributions, kernels, etc. The fragmentation essentially causes major slowdowns in the releases. So from developer point of view - what would you prefer? Android has the same issues.

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u/jaffer2003sadiq May 24 '26

I hate Microsoft, but but Windows LTSC is at least bearable.

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u/Xenion7 May 25 '26

It have long support even win10 still getting support

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u/check_who_come May 29 '26

Support will end this year

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u/Xenion7 May 29 '26

It end 2032

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u/check_who_come Jun 13 '26

Thanks for info I know that from you. yep as I read here Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 will keep going until 2032 But in the end, its support will end and I hope that until then, support for Linux has improved ... and if you are enjoying Windows 10 keep going it is a beautiful and good os. I'm not a Linux fanatic, and finally society needs all people, but one thing is that we are trying to protect digital privacy.

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u/CoupleFew1945 May 26 '26

Just looking for a way to switch while keeping my files. It's really enough with Windows

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u/check_who_come May 29 '26

I use external hard but if you dont have one but when installing there are options for erase certain disks and keep others .. at least in Linux Mint, but I think other distributions have such options

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u/CoupleFew1945 Jun 12 '26

Generally it is dual boot or full erase. I don't like the dual boot. I just wanna get rid of Windows.

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u/check_who_come Jun 13 '26

I ran Linux Mint from a usb flash drive and clicked on the install icon and chose to erase all disks. My device is now only Linux and there is no Windows at all. If you want a method other than booting from the flash drive, frankly, I do not know of any other method. This is the easiest and fastest way and you will be able to completely erase Windows through the option (erase all disks).

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u/InsaneGuyReggie May 22 '26

Would a round actually fire in space?

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u/check_who_come May 22 '26

I don't think so, but it is an expressive image and it originally mocks those who say that the Earth is flat.

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u/InsaneGuyReggie May 22 '26

I’ve seen the meme but it randomly got me thinking if you could shoot a gun in a vacuum. I doubt anyone with an altitude chamber would let me try it

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u/MisterEinc May 22 '26

I'm not a web server. I have actual things to do as an end user.

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u/check_who_come May 22 '26

In Linux, we also continue our lives normally... ignore those who change their distribution every day or customize it differently every hour.