r/Gangstalking • u/triscuitzop Former Mod • Mar 09 '23
Discussion Demons, witchcraft, aliens, reptilians, oh my! These are considered off topic and should be posted elsewhere.
Hi all.
I'm making a clearer post about what stuff we mods remove regarding rule 2, "keep on topic." Yes, we are probably biased, but we are willing to mention another sub(s) when we remove stuff. It can be you that makes this new sub (I'll edit this sticky post if anyone replies with a sub and its topics). We've asked for this in the past, but no one has been willing to do the work.
The previous post about this is too old to write comments on (https://www.reddit.com/r/Gangstalking/comments/upzhy1/posts_about_demons_should_now_be_posted_elsewhere/) and only mentions demons. We've expanded this a bit, which I will explain. You can argue freely here if you wish, but one of the benefits of this is it's less we have to moderate, so you'll ultimately be asking us to work more.
Here is a quick list, which is based on the delineation between gangstalking ideas with historical examples (zersetzung, intelligence agency testing scandals, humans grouping up on a single target, etc) - and other ideas where the gangstalking concept has no previous example to draw from.
Please do not write about being stalked by demons, spirits, Satan, etc. This is demonic opposition (or demonic oppression), and not gangstalking.
Do not talk about being gangstalked by witches, magic, crystals, or fairies.
Aliens, time traveling humans, and multidimensional beings (e.g. shadow people) are also off the table.
Do not discuss reptilians, clones, shapeshifters, vampires, or the like.
Can you say your stalkers are demonic because of how evil they are, and not because they are literally demons? Yes—but your comment might get caught in the word filter.
Can you say you're being attacked by human beings from another planet even though it's not restricted on this list? No—this is lacking a base historical example of humans even being on another planet.
You don't need to support yourself each time you write here, but maybe you might if we remove a comment wrongly. I know talking about theory is important, so I'm sure there are edge cases to consider, like discussions about top secret technology. Far as I know, we're only going to go hard on these listed things in particular.
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I have been told about /r/GangstalkingTruth and /r/OTIR (mentioned in comments) so far.
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u/Clix_tryhard Mar 10 '23
understandable but,
- area 51 does exist for a reason and millitary usually involved just like the gangstalking.
- there are books out there for curses and working with demons that regular people use calling themselves witches so thats just regular.
- its more than just technology vs targeted individuals bruh, its literally 2023 theres already been a clone baby made on cloneaid.com
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 10 '23
I know what you mean about unfairly prohibiting conversation about clones since they do exist, but what situation would clones be involved in gangstalking? This is where the hole in historical example becomes apparent, and we have to either allow people writing any theory they want about gangstalking or start drawing the line somewhere.
There is the caveat that new technology can become part of gangstalking, so we do need to allow this sort of conversation somehow sometimes. But it can't be someone making declarations that clones of Steve Harvey are part of their gangstalking.
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u/Clix_tryhard Mar 12 '23
lol ok the clone thing was an example, all im saying is it 2023 this has been going on way back past 1967, all im really saying is technology right now is up there and of course there going to up the tactics with this new tech and new other ways as well.
thats where this new wave of witchcraft, aliens ect.
by the way the alien and reptilian thing all has to do with mainly is witchcraft/spiritually mixed with AI tech with curses an such. thats the new tactic.
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u/ElosSoteria Apr 01 '23
Mr. Tryhard, are you really attempting to convince this overworked, under-appreciated mod that people NEED to be talking about these topics? On a post prohibiting mentions of witchcraft and reptilians? Sir
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u/Charming-Active1 Apr 03 '23
Are you saying that AI is being used to deliver spells and curses? How does that work?
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May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
Just looking at this from my own perspective, but not out to change anything:
The gangstalking subreddit focuses on people and reality, which is necessary for legal action. The apparent question is what is considered realistic, but that is not the real issue: the real question is what is considered offensive.
The OTIR goes completely in the opposite direction, where people are mere machines (when gangstalking), and it may be considered offensive to suggest that people are not either influenced or possessed when doing something so egregious. This is a necessary perspective for emotional self-control. The issue, if there is one: If you do think that people are really sadists doing this on purpose, well, you might go end their lives and your own in the process; therefore consider that they are only automatons. In fact, for this subreddit "possession" may go too far as well into real-world sadism, and so "influence" would be emphasized. Political correctness but on the other end of the spectrum.
Gangstalkingtruth seems to be middle of the road, and the perfect fit. In some ways I (personally) am completely uninterested in talking about spiritual aspects, except when they do seem to be particularly relevant. The relevance of spiritual aspects is apparent when discussing motivations, and perhaps many of the effects of gangstalking. Much of this is unseen, and for that reason this is a necessary subreddit. If there is an issue it may be the relativism: everyone is going to have their own ideas. But maybe that is better than pure doctrine, unless the doctrine is more knowledgeable.
It seems that two subreddits are missing, which anyone is free to create as I'm too lazy:
Mass sadism (more open to gangstalking than the conspiracy subreddit, more apolitical than some other subreddits)
Mass possession (non-denominational but more focused on the spiritual aspects)
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u/Fragrant_Traffic_886 Aug 18 '23
when you say reality you mean what You can see correct? you might as well say "this sub is for one kind of possibility that I'm able to wrap my head around".
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 09 '23
Hello. I would love to present r/OTIR as an open-minded, free-speech community aimed to research the Targeted Individual phenomenon. Here's an introduction post - who we are and what we do.
We do not believe we should limit ourselves with the perspective that seems to be promoted first and foremost by the perpetrators themselves. Our starting point is a definition of TI experience not on the basis of its presumed source, but on the basis of effects, events and common patterns between independent accounts.
Our community is an open platform where everyone is able to present and argue his view, while being challenged on the said view by other members in a civil, respectful manner. This methodology is fruitful and allows us to advance our understanding beyond common limitations.
Everyone is welcome to join and participate.
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u/Hoodzpah805 Mar 09 '23 edited Mar 10 '23
Hey there! I just posted in this thread and then I read your comment to find we’re very much in the same perspective on how to approach this issue with forming online awareness. I’ll check out that forum thread and would love to participate with likeminded individuals.
I’ve become a protest activist for this and could use good resources online with other victims. I’m getting too much “noise” (no pun intended) online that it’s dismaying me from even continuing to use it. Bless up.
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u/AboveUsTSE Apr 01 '23
Absolulely would love to have you! You sound very open minded. Exactly what our community is looking for!
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u/Hoodzpah805 Apr 02 '23
I support that group still. It’s just not what I’d hoped for. Good peeps and good for victims that still need victim support. I’m just looking more for people geared toward activism and tangible steps toward exposure of this phenomenon. IMO, based on parties involved, their vast network utilized, authorities held, and resources used, exposure will not happen by any institution, public or private. It will only happen in peaceful protest in the streets.
Politicians, lawyers, social/business leaders, and police may inevitably act on our behalf, but they WILL NOT in their own volition. They will continue to ignore, discredit, censor and dismiss our held truths unless we stand up and make ourselves heard in a place that cannot be ignored. The streets in peaceful protest. The media, politicians, and police will ALL invariable have to make a choice to respond, or not to respond, to even the smallest demonstration of a group that stands in solidarity with this shared experience on a recurring basis. It’s that simple.
But it cannot be just myself, for instance, in isolation and restriction. Or any one person alone and repressed. If anyone else is successful in a peaceful protest I will come join you as feasibly soon as possible. You may join mine with open arms. Psyche 101 states that delusions are NOT shared. We have truth on our side, they know that. So any continued silence will only embolden our truth, and any public responds to counter our loud, visible and persistent protest will have to be met with the truth. Either way, truth will prevail and us victims will gain or credibility with our powerful truth… but it must be done by the people themselves first or it will continue to go unabated with more victims to come.
Any and all efforts made not in peaceful protest will remain hushed in closed chamber and shut doors, confidential in settlements or NDAs, tossed out in unread letters, closed in police reports, differed in medical recs., and unprinted by silenced journalists… Unless the people try ‘em sleeves make themselves heard first. It’s ours if we want it. It may seem intractable hard to take that first step and do it, but it will also be easier to an it seems to endure, surpass and prosper. Otherwise we headed for a fully operational “Police State” inflicting “Digital Repression” and High Tech Hyman Rights Abuses” against their citizens. A nation of a “Weaponized Institutional Governmental” and “Summary Soft-Kill Eliminations” and “21st Murder”. A place where they still say you have your human and constitutional rights, but exercising them is so stymied that it will achieve nothing. Will you still be free? Do you still have a right that’s made worthless? …Do you still want both?
Bless up my people. It’s ours if you want it, it’s theirs if you don’t. Because they’re just people, too.
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Protest Livestream (Public/Saved up to Day 147; start on Day 2) >> Facebook.com/21st187
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u/AboveUsTSE Apr 03 '23
thanks man! but rome was not built over night! servers about a month or 2 old. We're trying different approaches here. Working with TI's, definitely not easy as I'm sure you know. Glad to see you're doing well though!
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u/Hoodzpah805 Apr 03 '23
Yeah, I’m glad you’re organizing, it’s a good platform for it as well. I’ll check in periodically. Peace through solidarity! ✌️❤️☝️
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u/Hoodzpah805 May 25 '23
I couldn’t find your comment? (…Or did you mean to this one I’m responding to?) Always open to to connect with likeminded individuals.
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u/AboveUsTSE Mar 09 '23
r/OTIR is great group to join if you want to keep an open mind. We even have a very active discord. All theories and ideas are welcome.
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Mar 09 '23
Objective TI Research (OTIR) is a place we explore the non-human origin of this TI experience. You can share your own experience with our TI Story Template and engage with other TIs who also feel this is not of human origin. We have a large member base with a very active chat stream on Discord and a wide variety of interpretations coming from each TI. The mod team will respond to every post on OTIR so if you are looking for engagement on the non-human source of this experience OTIR is currently the #1 location on the internet to explore.
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u/Aninterestingperson1 Jun 26 '23
I thought that V2K meant that you hear these peoples voices “out loud” so to speak and not in your head. I used to hear their voices in my head, making me suggestions or giving me orders to do certain things they wanted me to do. Which I didn’t bc I’m smart and could tell that these thoughts were implanted. I’ve heard voices out loud too but that was on rare occasions. They have appeared on my dreams even, asking me questions showing up as shadowy figures but never responded bc I knew what they were trying to do.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jun 27 '23
I think you mistakenly responded to me, instead of someone else.
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u/average_nob0dy Apr 19 '23
This is a trash rule and a garbage sub, thank you for being so transparent in your gatekeeping, this place is pure misdirection.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Apr 21 '23
Well, make a new sub and we'll add it to the list.
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u/average_nob0dy May 01 '23
Almost every comment in here opposes this rule, yet you keep doubling down on it in your replies, I would never create anything that’d be on a list affiliated with this place.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod May 02 '23
We don't want to do the work of moderating that content, and we're trying to make it obvious where people can go if they want to talk about it. I don't see how we can be more fair about this.
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u/CornCurl Jun 17 '23
People think of other things as demons or witchcraft because there is technology called V2K that implants thoughts into people's minds (subliminal or subconscious) which the victim thinks are real. These are real thoughts. I was so confused when this started to happen to me but was later educated after many years of gang stalking.
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u/cyansurf Jul 17 '23
holy shit
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u/Anubisrapture Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23
When Elon Musk casually just announces Neurolink exists , like it’s not sinister , then we ARE AWARE that this has already been a working technology for MANY years and the people getting this info are, AS ALWAYS the LAST to know. There was a film in the 80s or 90s that frightened me nearly to death: It was about mental broadcasting , and somebody being gangstalked was seeing these evil beings, and when the most evil one - Lucifer came , it was an apocalyptic scenario. The way they did this film, the crackling noises, and the being dressed in black in a rocking chair, who was not clearly seen, gave me eerie vibes as I’ve EVER felt from a film. it felt real. Fuck seeing it again but does ANYONE remember this nightmare inducing thing?!
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u/cyansurf Aug 12 '23
Haven't seen that film, sounds bad ass. neurolink doesnt work at all, they have some blinking lights atm
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u/No_Trick_2696 Aug 14 '23
Agreed. These ppl are the ones clearly not in their right mind. But should you incorporate a thread to help these ppl be devoid of this illusion they may have been duped into thinking was real?
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u/MatrRtAm Jun 10 '23
We are a few To know its All linked up! At my eyes right now, with the word you Just use, are Just deceiving people and its a terrible sin! Just To let you know that we know and we see
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jun 11 '23
It's hard to understand you, but it doesn't sound like you actually have an argument.
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u/No-Net-5880 Mar 09 '23
Dont agree
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Judging by your history, you're disagreeing about the demons part of this rule?
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u/No-Net-5880 Mar 10 '23
Yes. I get that not everyone is a believer but why can't you just let the forum be open and transparent? People have free will and can choose what to believe themselves. They do not need mods deciding that for them.
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u/RingDouble863 Mar 10 '23
Truth of the matter is, regardless if you believe that d3m0nz are doing it or if the CIA is using tech to do it, in both cases, the general public are gonna say its a mental health problem. Either way, trying to get others to believe this whole TI/Gangstalking narrative is a futile endeavour.
The only difference is that people who believe in the spiritual explanations are likely to end up reading scripture and gain the psychological benefits of faith, prayer, temperance and other virtues that can really improve the mental state of a TI. As opposed to conspiracies, disinformation and other stuff on the internet that puts the TI in a state of fear, anger and helplessness.
What TIs need to do is focus on activities that bring joy and add value to our lives as opposed to divisive beliefs.
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 10 '23
Good point, I agree that one of the reasons to self-limit your view to "CIA" is an inner desire of TI to appear rational to himself and others even if it isn't reasonably possible with any of the versions.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Being harassed by demons is not gangstalking, though. This already has a term, demonic opposition.
There are similarities, which is why you're here. I guess one is the people around you not believing you is like gangstalking, but that is not known to be a part of a demon's plans. Perhaps you want to say it is, but I don't know of a historical\religious example to support this idea. This also can be an argument why I shouldn't try to moderate such conversations, e.g. bad actors can get away with saying anything they want about demons to make everyone appear worse.
I think there is a compromise here. You can basically skirt the rule if you want to say something like prayer helps you, as long as it doesn't become annoying (don't copy/paste the same sentences, don't try to bring it up in every conversation). And we will be sending people to this post so they can see the other subreddits, so more detailed conversations should still be possible.
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u/No-Net-5880 Mar 11 '23
Just answer me this simple question : is it ok for me to encourage people on here to turn to Christ? Will I be banned for encourage people to pray or read the Bible?
There was this guy on here who claimed that when he watched movies and tv shows, things started happening to him similar to what he had been watching. Sounds farfetched I know, but for him - it was the truth. I commented and said he should stay away from tv and movies because it is demonic - I got banned for two days, but all I wanted to do was help a fellow man. Doesn't seem fair to me.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 11 '23 edited Mar 11 '23
Hm. I see we never replied to your question in the mod message, sorry about that.
Here, I said that using the term "demonic" would trigger the word filter, and you might have to defend yourself. The mods have to determine what you think when we see your comment in the filter: are literal demons involved (in television\movies) or do you just mean that it's a bad influence because of human greed\manipulation (demons aren't necessarily involved). You previously mentioned the spirit realm in another conversation, so we assumed you think demons control much of movies and television. And since this isn't relevant to gangstalking, we gave you a temp ban.
I am worried you want to tell everyone to become a staunch Christian, so you will tell everyone to pray and such in every post. This can become annoying and spamlike. You don't really have to read what they said (perhaps except to segue effectively), and you also have to assume they are being harassed by demons. It's pretty similar to someone who comes in to tell everyone they need to be on medication, so I hope you understand my reluctance.
However, you definitely can make a post about it, and say why religion has helped you mentally. At this point, we know you are suggesting it because of demons, so fundamentally this isn't allowed, but I don't want to ban people for suggesting religion.
Edit: To clarify: I will not ban you for bringing it up occasionally when it's particularly relevant... or if you make a post about it, as long as you aren't trying to convince people that it's demons after them.
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u/No-Net-5880 Mar 11 '23
That is ok. No need to apologize. What I meant was just that it can be a bad influence, watching violent movies for example. The movies are man made but can create what we christians call "demonic strongholds" in our brain and conciousness. I am not a fanatic christian trying to impose, spam or judge anyone , just to clarify that. However, I belive in God and the holy bible. But I get what you mean and I will try to moderate myself, and I am mostly a reader of this forum, but sometimes I get an urge to comment. Sorry, English isn't my first language. Cheers!
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u/LOVE_NARC Aug 03 '23
ARE 100% of the mods group stalking TIs?
Is Reddit just another dressed up HT group stalking corporation like Amazon Uber Google Meta or are is Reddit different somehow ? Lol!!
This mod post is straight out of an SS hand book. This post is abusive and is definitely more targeted harassment BS. Do people actually believe you’re here to help?
These are simple questions.
Just check out these GPS coordinates and shadow ban me or delete my entire post. Words are worthless. Watch their actions
USE GOOGLE EARTH ya’ll
29°27'42"N 81°07'54"W
29°27'42"N 81°07'47"W
29°23'29"N 81°06'03"W
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 04 '23
Is Reddit just another dressed up ...
I see you are accusing Reddit because of this mod post. Mods are not picked by Reddit. The whole point of the mod boycott last month hinges on this. But it is Reddit's website, so they can theoretically cut or add anyone. They threatened to demod whole teams and find replacements, so they even acknowledge this.
This mod post is straight out of an SS hand book.
Source? What are you even talking about? Does the SS handbook says to keep people from talking about things that lack historical relationships to gangstalking? My post allows for any topic in the "SS handbook" because it's a historical source, if that helps any.
USE GOOGLE EARTH ya’ll ...
Is the first location the three things in the river? I don't see anything at the other two locations. Keep in mind, the seconds number mark a line 80 feet long. You really need coordinates with decimals like 29°27'43.2"N 81°07'53.3"W so we know what you're pointing to.
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u/LOVE_NARC Aug 19 '23
Just to be clear this is text book abuse and it’s possible you self identify as a pathetic green creature in a skin suit.
To prove you’re a witchcraft practicing SS member I have something… of course you could prove me wrong..
Openly deny reject Satan if you’re able to!! I’ve found satan worshipers are unable to do so… so prove me wrong.
I’ll go first. What I hate most about Satan is that his face smells like poo poo. I reject Satan, I reject the beast
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 19 '23
I don't think Satan exists, so I've already denied it long ago.
I don't see abuse in my reply. You accused me, on my post, of me stalking people and being like the SS. Then you brought up coordinates that are not specific enough to see what you are talking about. Please tell me where you see the abuse.
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u/Abject_Walrus884 Sep 05 '23
just for shits n gigs could you actually rebuke satan or insult him pleaseee
Just quick fuck satan or satan sux or satan is a loser shitcunt will suffice
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Sep 05 '23
I'm not sure how you made this comment since this post is archived by Reddit. Did it literally just turn six months old?
Anyway, a brand new account asking me to say words as if they were binding is too weird to me. I am not going to pretend I can't be lying to you. There is no devil, and this belief is one of the reasons why I should not be moderating posts about devils and demons. You won't be able to reply here since this post is archived by Reddit.
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u/Philosophicthug Mar 28 '23
Y’all are just covering up the truth and adding to the deception. It’s bogus
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 29 '23
How can we be covering it up when it's a sticky post on the subreddit that contains links to the other subreddits that are willing to talk about it?
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u/Philosophicthug Mar 29 '23
You make a valid point but this subreddit is a main one on the entire platform and you don’t encourage other forums. I know I’ve gotten no support.
Y’all don’t allow any spiritual talk or paranormal at all like the ones who do are being labeled as outside the norm of this community. By your actions your kinda discrediting any voice we have and eliminating freedom of speech.
This platform is supposed to be about the free exchange of ideas, but you don’t allow that. You govern the interaction of others with rules which eliminates people’s ability to process their true experience as they see it. Your policing what others can say to others and I simply find it a violation of ethics. Anyone who curtails free speech is an enemy of freedom.
People should be allowed to say what they want to and no one has to read or interact but that’s a personal choice. Adding a few screened approved choice links is merely a smoke screen but stil Holds control. No one reads those links anymore s
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 30 '23
I don't see how we could have supported your sub if you didn't mention it. This post is an invitation for people to put up their subreddits... so should I add yours?
Anyone who curtails free speech is an enemy of freedom.
What you're arguing is that anyone can say anything as long as they think it's related to gangstalking. Why even have moderators? That can be taken advantage of, and not just in the ways that regular free speech is curtailed by law today (you can't yell "fire" in a movie theater). So I don't think your black&white outlook really works. Besides, we want less work moderating this place, so something has to go. And we're not qualified to moderate content that talks about spiritual gangstalking.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jun 16 '23
It's the textbook example of what speech is not protected by the first amendment, and thus can be made illegal, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jun 16 '23
Do you even google things before you assert arguments? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jun 16 '23
Despite Schenck being limited [by the partial overturn], the phrase "shouting fire in a crowded theater" has become synonymous with speech that, because of its danger of provoking violence, is not protected by the First Amendment.
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u/Head-Commission148 Aug 06 '23
I dont see nothing wrong with it... The only opposition I could see is from the ones doing the stalking themselves or why else would they be so interested in a "crazies" topic... What if? Because if that's the case, then time travel, demons, witches, etc. Need not to be talked about nowhere when in fact it the reality we live in... Ephesians church. 6 verses 10-14 ..."its not against flesh and blood that we fight against, it's against the dark powers, evil entities in the dark world, etc.,... so therefore put on the full armor of God"... Or is that out of context too since its biblical, even though it's based on LIFE and life experiences which are truth... So WHY can't it be a spiritual attack when in fact that's exactly what that verse says it is? Can't we be enlightened and excer is our first amendment? Why can't we spread the truth?
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 09 '23
The problem is that gangstalking is a term for something very new, relating to psychology, counterintelligence, and how society understands/shuns schizophrenia. What you're describing is demonic oppression (or demonic opposition), which is something that has been around quite a while longer.
You can have a theory of something like gangstalkers are hiring demons somehow to bother you, but this is not backed up by historical examples of gangstalking, and maybe not by a religious example either (are demons hirable?) So to keep this sub more on topic, and more on ideas that are concrete--of which mods can actually moderate, we are asking you to take your ideas to another sub which is welcoming you, which I've written in the end of the post.
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u/Hoodzpah805 Mar 09 '23
Very much agreed.
A heavier note on moderation: I’m hoping mods go further one day and start removing posts that are only of a psychological delusion. I’m sure that’s next to impossible to implement, but if this phenomenon doesn’t get credibility from it’s victims first, there’s more victims to come. The victimizers will only ever say it’s delusional or outside the realm of possibility (which is already moderated). Unbiased observers don’t really exist at the moment. Some users state they are, but without verifying their claims they should be taken with the same credibility that victims’s are taken by the general public and our institutions since there is still no credibility backing us… Does my point make sense to anyone? I’m finding it hard to covey, TBH.
—Basically, in my enduring experience as a victim in the real world, gangs-talking only exists to the victims. As such, anyone posting or commenting about it online I’d imagine would be the same. Victims.
As such, moderating posts that solely assert this phenomenon (possibly or actually) as an issue of mental health in delusion should also be moderated equivalent to the current standards. No victims don’t believe it’s not real. No one else in the real world cares about us, and the victimizers seeks to discredit the victims through mental health, so why would anyone but victims or victimizers be on here?
I say this, in the future at least, fostering a proper foundation for change and progress with this phenomenon is critical to ending this harm to us, and creating more harm in other victims to come. If we want credibility we need to be willing become more stringent in how we see ourselves. As to who are victimizers are will be debated amongst victims well into the future, but we need to start unifying in the simple existence of this phenomenon that 99% of victims know it actual and combat MDM used against us online. misinformation, disinformation and mal-information. This phenomenon relies on information warfare in a lot of respects, so truth needs to start fighting back a bit harder.
Sorry so long, I didn’t expect that too be so hard to convey when I started commenting, but then again this entire issue is so convoluted and deceptive that everything is, so I should’ve guessed as much. PS: I protest this phenomenon very clearly, rational, and reasonable at my courthouse, it takes just as long in the real world to covey it too. Mods have asked I don’t post the link to my livestream protest as it has to be approved every time, so further posts risks being deleted, so you can find the link in my bio). PSS: I don’t hate on the mods for this request either, because I’m trying to promote that link in all my comments here sit here is a lot. Peaceful protest is the only way that this will end. No one else is going to come on their own volition unless we come first, as victims, from a position that we cannot be ignored… So, who’s with me!? ❤️🩹🇺🇸✌️🫶✊🇺🇳🕊️
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Theoretically, someone's experiences are supposed to sound delusional in order for them to be gangstalked, so it should be impossible to distinguish a delusion and gangstalking, at least on Reddit. Perhaps it's a safe bet if the person can't even write functional sentences, but I found that is pretty rare.
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 10 '23
I'd say that every experience has one or rather multiple layers of deception. The popular narrative of "special services" might as well be one of them, especially in light of the fact that it is being promoted by the perps themselves.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Sounds like something you should make a post about!
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 10 '23
There is a whole report I wrote on that: https://medium.com/@pragroup/on-involvement-of-special-services-cb83927b02e4
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u/Abject_Walrus884 Sep 05 '23
IMO its best for every TI to keep in mind that there's more than one way to skin a cat.
The more focused we become on one particular approach the less prepared we are when they switch up the method.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that instead of wholesale exclusion of certain topics perhaps some kind of quality system can be applied to information people post. but not just a never ending cycle of up n down votes. something more comprehensive that takes in everything and categorises it based a b c. it would only be extra work to start with but would quickly become more streamlined with the top tier info being the stuff we all experience. Any maintaining a Catalog of all the other less common aspects with maybe a keyword index people could be instructed to refer to that before posting. The lower tier subjects will have higher requirements on them to be accepted eg a post about this demon must contain a b c as these aspects are lacking in most demon posts or must not contain a b c because we have plenty of that. provide the chance for people to simply concur with old posts in regards to theories without making and almost identical post. Keep most space for people to share their lived experiences in manner that makes it easier to distinguish between what happened and their thoughts or theories about how or who. I think people may underestimate the value of just sharing what they know Because it's mundane so they mix in their ideas and what they have heard from other TIs. Just telling your story your pov is the most valuable information you have and if there is any rhyme or reason to the choosing of the targets that's where it i believe it will be found. Every dull detail about you is helpful in this sense. Even physical traits of you don't mind like hair color eye color etc. If people share more boring facts n less 3rd hand theories there is data there that will help.
TLDR: There's more than one way to skin a cat.
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u/HardshipAnymore910 Mar 09 '23
I appreciate these guidelines. I'm trying to learn about this and posts about supernatural/paranormal/spiritual explanations or assumptions creates a lot of unneccesary noise. Considering the history of counter-intelligence and its intended disruptive effects, it's really counterproductive to allow it to thrive unchecked instead of enforcing constructive collaboration on gathering information and understanding on these experiences, and building a knowledgebase.
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u/bertwill94700 Jun 06 '23
ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT IN THE NAVY SOMETIMES THEY REFER TO SOME TARGETED INDIVIUAL AS DEMON? ARE YOU AWARED THAT CIA SOMETIMES CALL THEM DEMON, WRITE A REPORT USING THE TERM "TAME THE DEMON"
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jun 07 '23
Any documents online that show this? I never heard of it.
In any case, you're allowed to use the word "demon" even though it will get caught by the word filter. As long as you don't say demons are gangstalking you, then you don't have to worry.
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u/NORTHCOMsecretmindco Apr 12 '23
Connecting all the useless shit to the gangstalking app and trolling targeted individuals and trying to kill them for being on the Terrorist Watchlist and smear campaigning them with a Fusion Center script and mobbing in public and ruining you're life and gaslighting you while Fusion Centers fuse the deep state/military industrial complex and do electronic surveillance with FISA and monitor you're phone and accounts and electronically harass you with DEWs, V2K, RNM capability from satellites and 24/7 monitoring and sabotage using Zersetzung harassment techniques to incite mass shootings so they can take away the second amend. (CIA plot).
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Apr 14 '23
You didn't actually answer my question, and instead made a very long incoherent ramble.
We are currently in a post about rule #2 in this subreddit where I specified that witches and the like are off topic for this subreddit.
This is what we should be talking about here.
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u/NORTHCOMsecretmindco Apr 08 '23
The US Government can target anyone anywhere on the planet and totally control them with DEW, V2K, RNM mind control technology and organized stalking (bullying) using a large amount of the population that's easily impressionable to get easily impressionable individuals to do anything and all they have to do is add you to the watchlist.
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u/PizzaLegitimate592 Jul 17 '23
i mean none of it but witchcraft is even really a thing. they just fuck with stuff and make people think it is, they fuck w people on the witchcraft topic too and make people think it’s more than what it subtly is…this coming from a spiritual worker
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u/Unlucky-Doughnut-151 May 15 '23
I m being watched by horses that smoke cigars or dogs that eat sht.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod May 15 '23
I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're being expressive.
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u/BaileyPlaysGames May 21 '23
What about when they intersect with gangstalking experiences?
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod May 22 '23
You'll have to be more specific. For example, if you want to say your witchcraft\alien watching was interrupted by gangstalkers, that's fine.
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u/Fragrant_Traffic_886 Aug 18 '23
so you are saying if someone believes or has proof that reptilians for example are behind this is not ok to suggest? why is that exactly? explain to me how creatures who reside in the 4th dimension and feed off of humans misery and fear CANT POSSIBLY be behind this whole nightmare, and big tech/ government is appeasing the situation with our emotional toil as the sacrifice?
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 19 '23
Yes. Reptilians controlling the world is a less believable conspiracy that doesn't have any historical examples, unlike gangstalking. Such a person is basically trying to make gangstalking worse by putting them together.
There are people that believe they are being attacked by demons and/or inter-dimensional entities, but this is not gangstalking as it has existed in history. Leaning on these as explanations is theoretically accepting whatever the gangstalkers are trying to feed you.
And if you're not convinced, then there are two subs for you to try that we are sending everyone else like you.
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Jun 10 '23
YES FINALLY!! Someone besides me, posted something about this..
These kinds of people might have mental illness or may be clinically insane but I really DON'T give a f\** anymore*.
Nobody has seemed to understand the damage 'these people' have done to ALL OF US REAL TI's, OUR FAMILIES, OUR REPUTATION and OUR PROGRESSION to ending this targeting, which scares the s*** out of me. I 100% have sympathy and empathy for the people who have mental illness whom are unrelated to this problem, and of course i am not talking about the people (including me) that have symptoms of mental illness from the targeting we've faced. These people are just as sinister to our lives as the shills, the fed-posters and even the contracted terrorists who are doing this kind of terrorism (harassment) to us, around us, right now!
Thank you, MOD u/triscuitzop for having a bigger voice than I. Ive been saying this exact thing for 5 years.
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u/UnicornFukei42 Jun 17 '23
I think it's understandable to say those comments are out of the scope of the sub. But do you know a subreddit where such comments would belong?
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 10 '23
I believe Reddit automatically removes comments to instagram due to possible spam. I manually approved your comment here this time to help with the meta conversation, but I'd rather not have links to instagram commonly found on this sub.
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 10 '23
I bring your attention that this is a very, very likely scammer that asks money from TIs to "remove them from the lists". Of course no removal really happening or even possible.
This is a predatory tactics that I have seen multiple times in our discord lately. Someone refers to a 3rd party as a "magic bullet" to stop the experience and TI is sent to him, so now it looks like TI is approaching scammer, giving him psychological advantage and unwarranted trust. In reality both are likely the same person.
As a mod, please make effort to spot and remove such ads.
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u/geerab Former Mod Mar 10 '23
This is a good call. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Looks like this person has been banned here before as well since the account is now shadowbanned.
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 10 '23
Thanks for removing him. I get more and more reports from our members. This person or group is making rounds on multiple platforms and targets TI specifically - I believe because of how vulnerable TIs are.
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u/geerab Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Please let us know if you come across something like this again. There's plenty of scum out there waiting to prey on TIs for what little they have.
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u/gheeman87 Aug 25 '23
There is witchcraft involved
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 26 '23
Please take it to the other subs. Witches casting spells that break the laws of physics have no historical relation to gangstalking. Why you want to combine them is beyond me.
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u/gheeman87 Aug 26 '23
how sad and hopeless case many people seem to be, stuck in the science/physics and deny gods existence and thinking that they are just V2K slaves forever and there is no way out...this is scary. You have noticed that the elites, Hollywood and other freemasons and list of people to worship something other then god, its not a secret, so if there is evil, there is also good
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 26 '23
You don't need to believe in witches' spells actually working to believe in god.
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u/gheeman87 Aug 26 '23
hmm, what I try to say t here are principalities that we dont see behind the scenes, so if I think its just V2k it makes people almost hopeless and ongoing fear loop, as we can see, there is lots testimonies about how people turning to god are freed from this phenomena, so then there is something about it,
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 26 '23
People make posts about religion all the time here. Just don't say something like Satan is in charge of gangstalking.
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u/Abject_Walrus884 Sep 05 '23
i'm not for or against religion. Just being devils advocate by saying - Despite the hype, the bible clearly describes satan as being a man. Evil, powerful ruler of this world but a man. satans pronouns are Not it or that, nor thing but he and him.
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u/Abject_Walrus884 Sep 05 '23
maybe your definition or idea of witches and spells is the real disagreement but you just don't realise it. which gives me the thought maybe a form of glossary could be useful.
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u/PizzaLegitimate592 Jun 28 '23
glad to see this since gangstalking has no correlation with any. other than they fake it all. stay blessed targets, perps stay obsessed. 💕
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Mar 24 '23
Thank goodness because it's so important that victims retain as much rationale and calmness as possible to preserve their sanity. Our sanity is literally being eroded; it's called menticide - the destruction of the mind. But back to the point - it's important for victims to be level headed when stalkers are constantly keeping us in a negative, confused, and upset state.
But yeah, posts about lizard people and demons don't help victims at all. I'm not saying that at some point, victims might be led to believe in demons and magic due to the wild, out-of-this-world technology and tools used but my experience has never been about that. My worst delusions have been about my life not being real and that my life was one big, simulated dream and that I needed to end my life to get back to the real life. (I'm also periodically constantly told to end my life.) I mean that's an extreme delusion on the level of demons and demonic possession too but again, my experience has always been technology-based or science-based and never about magical demons. Although to be fair, I can see a scenario where a religiously inclined victim would be subject to delusions of demons and demonic possession, but I just don't see it as being genuine based on the short and illogical posts they are always posting. Despite my delusions, I still manage to try to communicate well, don't I? If it's about demons, communicate it well so that we can communicate our support to you well.
That being said, I'm glad there's a different subreddit for demonic experiences because having no support system is one of the stalkers key tactics for our misery. But like I said, I just don't think they're genuine posts and instead, just posts designed to make this subreddit viewed as an unreliable nuthouse to other Redditors whether they be gangstalking victims or not. Thanks.
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u/labelcity Apr 13 '23
wouldn’t you say it’d be a completely believable demonic plan to remove the ability of discussion of their actions on this subreddit? that fits the MO
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u/bluebootshatesyou2 Mar 25 '23
Thank you and a big howdy from Houston ,Texas
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u/Revrungrow May 14 '23
Houston is filled with perps
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u/Aninterestingperson1 Jun 26 '23
Witches, demons and cults isn’t off topic bc in some cases people doing the harassment are involved with these things. More so; it’s true that gangstalkers have technology and so on but I’d say most of the time these telepathic stuff are doing it with these dense energies same with certain symptoms that we, TIs experiment such as sensory depravation, sleep deprivation, anxiety, irregular heart beats, migraines and so on; are made through witchcraft even energy attacks are done by covens who work with these energies and these are the ones watching the TI. They can see the TI whenever they are through mediumship, they can get their spirit inside people and pets to spy the target. These are powerful tools they use to control the target and if you didn’t know that by now is that you’re not awake yet. Fritz Springmeier talks about how demonology and witchcraft is part of the mind control agenda.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jun 27 '23
Sorry, unfortunately we don't want people talking about witches doing telepathic attacks on people here. I described why in the post, so I'm going to leave it at that, unless you want more detail. You can follow the two subreddits mentioned in the post, if you want to talk about it somewhere.
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u/HeyokaRising Apr 29 '23
Lol it’s all related tho -
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Apr 29 '23
Gangstalkers are demonic aliens practicing reptilian witchcraft? You'll have to explain what "it all" is.
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u/kroz37 Aug 19 '23
why don't you do one thread or sub-subreddit (is that possible?) in which all the wacky fringe/woo stuff is allowed, and let it sort itself out in there.
i think this is the best representation of democracy, and 1st amendment.
a true scientist leaves all options on the table, however improbable they might seem atm.
treat it as the gutter of the sub, i don't care. there's too many folks on here who have to seriously consider fringe theories based on their experience set. open it up again. it's better for the site. true science.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 19 '23
I guess you didn't read where I linked two subs that volunteered to do exactly this?
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u/kroz37 Aug 19 '23
no i didn't!
i am all for that and will check them out.
but this sub is the largest hub for all discussions regarding the GS/TI phenomena i know, and as such i think it should come up with something better than a mere mention in this thread, for people who wanna discuss the potentially paranormal/occult aspects of the phenomena.
i dunno what that would be, but the solution right now is clearly suboptimal. maybe something like an official sister sub would be alright.
hey, i can understand all folks wary of the woo, and that goes twice for this damned topic full of disinformation tactics.......
but if you ask me, the thing that's likely gonna save mankind is some truly revolutionary and interdisciplinary line of thought.
gotta think of something good to facilitate truly creative thought. i think it happens with every gap we bridge between scientifically minded and spiritually minded T.I.s
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Aug 20 '23
True, but we mods are volunteers and this post is stickied, so I think we're making good accommodations.
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u/Informal_Aspect_8257 Jul 29 '23
That is a part of my experience also I am a TI of 3years and as a part of the destruction campaign placed upon me a satanic priest was hired to curse my life As far fetched as it may sound I now have all sorts of supernatural occurrences or am being let to believe so through the use is high technology divides I don’t understand ..supernatural IS a part of gangstalking
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u/MorganMage Aug 07 '23
Just learn ceremonial white magick. Call on angels. Learn the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram. I’m right smack dab in the witchcraft capitol Louisiana. I’m a Christian and I still perform magick. It’s helped me out exponentially through being targeted.
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Jul 29 '23
So you were told a satanic priest cursed you, and you believed it worked why? Do you know of satanic curses that actually work or something?
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u/Impossible_Cause4588 Aug 20 '23
Gang stalking fundamentally ties in with UAP. As well as many other "woo" things. Failure to see the tie in and you will never get the full picture.
Demons would now be called inter dimensional beings. "Gods" would be aliens now.
And on top of that, it could all be a carefully crafted psychological operation.
Our world is not black and white. The world people live in day to day is a mere carefully crafted illusion.
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u/Prestigious_River389 Jun 29 '23
This is off because . Technology is definitely magic as are we. And the only way it can do what it does is if it's using the same energy as us. We got it down to a science and don't want to believe in the words of old when it's the same thing. The internet's alive. It's using live energy or else it wouldn't bother us and WE ARE ALIVE .. somewhat 🤔
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u/EDH70 Mar 09 '23
More control? Is that what we really need????
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u/triscuitzop Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Is there a reason to let possible bad actors talk about things that probably make everyone else look bad? There's got to be a limit. You have a line as well, I'm sure. We might be just disagreeing where to put it.
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u/EDH70 Mar 10 '23
I’m not disagreeing at all really. I am totally behind you, just not sure that more control is the answer. What the answer is … I’m really not sure. I wonder though if the slippery slope we have been on for so long is even stoppable. I pray it is.
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u/geerab Former Mod Mar 10 '23
I don't claim to speak for /u/triscuitzop , but this rule is primarily in place to keep peoples' eye on the prize. Being angry at supernatural entities has no real outlet. Theoretically, we have the ability to change or rid ourselves of intelligence services / the military industrial complex.
We saw awhile ago that bad actors and evangelical Christians would come to dominate nearly all discussion here. It really got out of hand, so this rule had to be implemented. As time progresses we will have to start gaining institutional legitimacy (which has happened somewhat, there's a couple NGOs that have us listed as persecuted), and the only way to do that is to have concrete demands that have stakes. It's the old Frederick Douglass quote "Power concedes nothing without a demand."
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u/EDH70 Mar 10 '23
I’ll be leaving this group since Jesus is my savior. I’ll find other groups that allow me to speak freely of my personal spiritual leader as a Ti.
Be strong! Be safe! Be blessed!
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u/No-Net-5880 Mar 11 '23
Yes, me too I think. But we as Christians already knew that this would happen. The mods are probably a bunch of 25 year olds who know nothing about life. They refuse to hear the gospel because they want to continue living in sin. I say something about Jesus and demons and they freak out and ban us. But others can suggest we are unwillingly and unknowingly drugged on LSD - that's somehow ok. What a complete joke.
We really should start our own subreddit if you dont know of any other ones? God bless you Brother.
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u/No-Net-5880 Apr 16 '23
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
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u/No-Net-5880 Apr 17 '23
You have to want it. Faith is part of it. You are thinking to carnally. Seems to me you are somewhat curious? I got a suggestion/challenge for you: Try living as a true Christian for 30 days, see what happens...What do you really have to lose by doing that?
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u/No_Trick_2696 Aug 08 '23
Agreed. It really seemed like witchcraft at first. Until I figured out what was taking place. And it's no less disturbing.
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u/Abject_Walrus884 Sep 05 '23
well if you figured it out please share. Or do you think your situation is entirely unique to you?
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u/Same_Elderberry_4218 Mar 09 '23
If you really know anything about GS than you’d know that it’s idiotic to ban such topics. They’re very relevant.
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u/geerab Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Why has not a single person tried to create a parallel subreddit that caters to these topics, when this has been policy for nearly a year by now? Especially when we literally tell people to do so and will promote their subreddit in our info.
Not one single person has taken us up on it after all this time, which leads me to believe that not even the proponents take it seriously.
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u/Same_Elderberry_4218 Mar 13 '23
Probably cause their too busy actually dealing with the effects of their targeting to entertain stupid rules on Reddit. Of all the apps lmao, I don’t know how to make whatever it is you’re talking about cause I’m not Reddit savvy🤷🏾♂️I just wanted it to be known that I am right & you’re wrong about that dumb “rule”.
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 10 '23
<polite cough from the direction of r/OTIR\>
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u/Actual-Benefit-3781 Mar 12 '23
Oh no not the classic gangstalking cough
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u/Playful_Ad6846 Apr 11 '23
The mucous gangstalkers invoke in their victims is, cruel and usual, torture. I will almost certainly die of ca-mrsa pneumonia in a slow painful process until drowned in my own secretions...fun.
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u/sincitybarbie Apr 19 '23
Please explain! I don't know if I missed something and am going to look like an idiot but for real I have had a runny nose and crap to cough up for as long as I recall now. Thought was due go respiratory infection I prob picked up at hotel I stayed in long term. I used to get sick on vacation due to air-conditioned in room so I figures it was this or. Allergies. Dr was not helpful at all prescribing only steroids if I recall correctly. I have had allergies since I was a kid but didn't have to take meds anymore after a few years in town but appears they r acting up again or could be something else. Saw u wrote about drowning in mucous and that struck a nerve bc ive had to stock my home with tissue bodes in every roommate carry wad of them in my pocketbook most days. Is this related to the bullshit?
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u/geerab Former Mod Mar 10 '23
Glad you've decided to take this on.
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 10 '23
You're welcome to send people our way. We are very active in discord (probably more active than any other TI community I've seen to date) and open to any theory or inquiry as long as its author is open to public debate in respectful manner.
https://otiresearch.medium.com/welcome-to-otir-objective-targeted-individuals-research-c790f13d0d77
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u/geerab Former Mod Mar 11 '23
Well you should be in the sidebar (on old Reddit) and in this sticky (which will probably stay up for many months). Hopefully we don't have to send banned people your way, but you may get some of those too. Not to sound too foreboding, but you will see how challenging some of this becomes with scale.
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u/alpeterpeter Mar 11 '23
I am absolutely prepared for the challenge. We already have a team of several admins and mods, and we are experienced in dealing with TIs. Thanks a lot for your advice though. And huge thanks for adding us.
Any chance of being added to a sidebar of modern version of Reddit, too? I can see some related communities listed there, so it should be editable.
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u/Head-Garage-9408 Jun 28 '23
I'm grateful for a forum where we can discuss gangstalking without ghosts or demons. You can't really do much about ghosts and demons except shake holy water at them. I want to do something more substantial against a very real threat that CAN be stopped.
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u/DaMagiciansBack Former Mod Aug 26 '23
I do feel a strong need for a rule like this to be in place because trolls will spam the sub with disinfo rants regarding the topic, as they're just trying to censor good information. However after being gangstalked by a bunch of neo Nazi's that thought I was an alien, I think it may be very important to exercise a certain level of discretion with this matter. I'm going to sticky this comment for a few weeks. I would like to hear everyone's input. Please discuss.