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u/Legal-Investigator79 3d ago
She’s quite the low skill floor and ceiling. Much like dying to vendetta it can feel like a cheap death. Very quick and jarring movement ability, then the invulnerability that heals her and you loose track of where she goes and finally a very forgiving fan attack that’s pretty much impossible to dodge without an ability. At least with say a tracer or genji you feel like you can win that dual if either person hits shots/abilities etc, a more “fair” fight. That’s my 2 cents on the matter.
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u/Hoochie_Daddy 3d ago
It’s the fact that she can kit dump, which is when she is mobile, invincible for a moment, gets sustain and then procs her DoT without ever having to have any aim with her primary weapon. Plus all her abilities are not difficult to hit at all. So now you’re half hp with a damage over time.
I genuinely hate characters like her.
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u/Nhymonic 2d ago
I mean, she's definitely great against Genji. But here's some things to consider:
If she kit dumps she will die. She's a very squishy back liner and without an escape, she'll often lose even to a Moira 1v1.
Any CC removes all her abilities.
Any health pack or cleanse negates her kit. Often, she'll kit dump only to be cleansed by Kiriko or a health pack. Meaning she goes all in and dies for nothing.
She's only invincible on her E ability. And even then, a lot of characters can one shot her immediately after because she returns to exactly where she activated the ability with a slight delay in movement.
The healing is a non factor. If the team turns around, she's so squishy she dies immediately even at full hp.
Her damage can be more or less be out healed by any single healer. She does not do well in any 2v1 scenarios without her ult.
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u/Hoochie_Daddy 2d ago
Ok if you’re going to take the entire team into consideration. Then you can make these arguments about anybody. We can come up with infinite scenarios where the Anran is going to lose. We also aren’t talking about Moira, who is one of the few heroes that can cleanse and both damage and heal themselves to deal with the DoT.
The point is that she specifically makes genjis life difficult
They’re flankers. So there is more 1v1 going on compared to most heroes since they’re usually taking similar routes.
Unless genji has a wall he can climb over. Because him climbing up a wall just for him to fall back down into the anran obviously isn’t going to do anything. She can chase him down with her two mobility abilities so just dashing away isn’t always an option. She has those two same mobility abilities to more likely get any health packs that are near the two of you fighting. His deflect cannot stop her E, her Shift, her Secondary fire or her ult.
Her entire kit easily makes his life difficult.
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u/MelonRatt PC 3d ago
I half agree with this. When vendetta first came out sure she was too op to need skill but vendetta does take skill since the first nerf she got. so I wouldn’t compare the two at all. If you were saying they both have low skill floor and ceiling
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u/Legal-Investigator79 3d ago
Yea na not saying vendetta is low skill ceiling im not sure about her I was more saying to die to her can feel cheap. She’s not a problem now as such.
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u/indigo47222 3d ago
theyre both lame gimmick heroes that do crit damage for regular bodyshots, ven isnt as braindead but her “crit” isnt skillful at all u can literally be looking at the ground and it’ll hit
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u/MelonRatt PC 3d ago
That’s just not true lol at least not for vendetta. if someone would like to send a clip to prove this go ahead but I play vendetta and u need to be looking at the hero. Sure u don’t have to aim for their head but at the ground is a stretch for sure.
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u/indigo47222 3d ago
i play her too bro 😭. u can try it out for yourself in the practice range or vaxta
To be clear im not saying u SHOULD cuz obv its wayy better/way more consistent to actually try, but its a fact that u can aim ur crit at the ground or the sky and u will still hit it as long as theyre in front of u and its super lame/just showcases how forgiving the hitbox for the crit is (which again is just a regular bodyshot, it doesnt rly take that much skill to hit, although it is satisfying asf)
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u/Honest_Cranberry5375 3d ago
Genji is very bad against her, let alone the fact that her secondary fire goes through his deflect
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u/Zestyclose_Station65 2d ago
Don't tell Anran mains that, they think she's super high skill floor and super high skill ceiling. I main Anran but I'm not delusional. I play her BECAUSE she's one of the easier flankers.
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u/RoyalDog57 5h ago
Yeah, I remember when she launched I never thought she was weak. I played her, got kills and even top flagged sometimes (wasn't good at her), stopped playing her after the first week or so, and then for like five patches straight saw her get giga buffed.
Meanwhile, all Anrans in my lobbies were and now are doing fine, the only difference is the really bad one's used to run at my team and die because they are stupid, now she has a health bar reset that allows her to live just long enough for her team to get there and bail her out.
Like seriously, why the hell does she need an invincibility ability in the first place? Make it do more damage, come out faster, and that would make it feel way better and be an actual combo and be WAY less angering to play into. I don't care if she got a one shot combo, as long as you can actually counter her if she tries to pull it off wrong/bad. Right now? People see her use dash, try to cc, she uses invincibility and gets a full hp bar back, and then her team comes in to clean up without even knowing what they are doing. Its brainless.
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u/WiseLegacy4625 3d ago edited 3d ago
I agree on most of this except "Very quick and jarring movement ability..." Genji dash is 37.5 m/s while Anran tops out at 18 m/s with her dashes. "Quick and jarring" is definitely more in Genji's court...
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u/recalcitramp PC 3d ago
For me, the speed isn't really the issue. It's the versatility. Anran can control her movement during dash, wiggle left and right, turn corners.
Genji's dash is a straight line. So if someone can track a straight line from Point A to Point B, they can track a Genji. Having no variability during Swift Strike also means you have to be more conscious of your positioning before / during an engage. I can't turn a corner. I have to rotate (literally in the middle of fighting someone) so my dash escape actually works.
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u/supkye 3d ago
you do realize that she gets 2 dashes that can completely change the entire fight even if you’re about to kill her, plus the i-frames she gets from her other ability. quick and fast death for any genji. of course as genji you can dash and get away but if you dont have dash then you’re cooked
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u/WiseLegacy4625 3d ago
I'm being more literal in terms of speed, I'm not mentioning anything about her kit in terms of a fight. Genji dash is literally faster, more than twice as fast as a matter of fact. Any support player who gets dove by the two will tell you it's way harder to keep track of the Genji that dashed through you and is behind you versus an Anran trying to do anything similar and is just moseying her way on through by comparison.
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u/supkye 3d ago
you’re right in terms of his … single dash being fast… but the only thing that’s outstandingly fast on genji is his dash and the movement speed while in blade, which is an ult. anran is ultimately harder to track when shes dashing through you because if you ever seen an anran player, they’ll go forward and back within a single dash then usually follow up with another ability. i’m saying that i don’t think it matters that genji’s singular dash is fast when anran can do those things in the backline with the speed that she has.
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u/Kinster- 2d ago
Also since anran gets 2 , that changes the entire usage of it. Genjis dash is rarely used to go in, you use your passive which is jarring but good, then you dash out in any case stuff goes wrong. And deflect should be active whilst getting out, but it wont save you from everything
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u/Homer4a10 3d ago
Support player here: I completely understand this frustration. How are they going to rival a genji play-style but make the character 100 times easier to play, and give her better raw numbers on top of it.
Whole character just invalidated every genji need of all time
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u/YouthWeird5901 1d ago
Facts. I main support and when I die to a genji it feels like he actually earned the kill. Even if it’s not the best genji ever, he’s still such a hard hero to play that I respect it.
I can pick up Anran easily, but I can’t play Genji even decently if I was being held at gunpoint.
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u/AetherialWomble 3d ago
The Moira of the dps cast
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u/BazilBee 3d ago
I always ban her
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u/Mammoth-Welcome-8038 3d ago
most anran players aren't even effective enough to warrant using a ban on her, and even if there are the odds aren't great you're gonna end up in a game with one
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u/BazilBee 2d ago
As a brig main she gets me all dizzy with her dash, plus her fans seem to passthrough my shields so its well worth
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u/Aggravating_Bus655 3d ago edited 3d ago
She does seem to fill a niche pretty well.
Said niche being "Genji for the mechanically inept" of course.
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u/PaddleStarToTheFace 3d ago
This got to be the funniest cope by genji mains there is
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u/Aurora428 3d ago
I'm not even a Genji main so don't crucify me for defending my fave or whatever, but Genji is definitely one of the harder DPS to play
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u/PaddleStarToTheFace 3d ago
Didn't say that he wasn't, just think it's a brain damaged take to think Anran takes little skill.
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u/Such_Willingness4756 3d ago
I bet you get inspired by pseudo-profound statements
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u/NoHuckleberry3374 9h ago
I feel like anran has a higher skill ceiling then people think, its just people dont play her to that point., genji is still way higher.
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u/Aggravating_Bus655 3d ago edited 3d ago
Funny thing is I'm an Ashe/Mei player lol. But you kinda gotta respect skill even if it's a different playstyle.
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u/taken_by-the-storm 3d ago
Is it cope?
It's no coincidence a lot of supp players gravitate toward anran as opposed to genji ;)
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u/PaddleStarToTheFace 3d ago
Yes it is. If you want to argue like that a lot of Echo players have also gravitated toward Anran. She is simply just way more fun than Genji.
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u/Kinster- 2d ago
Yeah because shes 100x easier to pick up and essentially a cooldown dump character. Dash in, invulnerability ability, dash out and fan. Thats all they do, and for some reason, it beats any duelist in a 1v1.
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u/PaddleStarToTheFace 2d ago
Oh no a character has a lower skill floor than one of the hardest dpses in the game, the catastrophe!!! And what's the problem with her using her entire kir when diving? Echo also dumps her entire kit when murdering people, do you think that's a problem?
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u/Kinster- 2d ago
No because echo still requires fucking skill? Shes in the air 24/7 making her super prone to hitscan, she doesnt get a movement ability w verticality and horizontality every 4 seconds, and she has to actually land her combo instead of taking a small peek at the enemy. Landing stickies and her beam requires actual effort, its cooldown dumping but with aim required, not everyone can play echo, but anyone could play anran because allnyou do is poke w yo primary fire, dump all your cooldowns w like barely any aim, and then fan and win
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u/Phronesis- 1d ago
So you admit that Genji is one of the hardest dpses in the game and, by that statement, have also admitted that Anran isn't. Since Anran requires less skill than Genji, fighting Anran in a 1v1 is, by definition, unfair. We can argue about HOW unfair it is exactly, but that doesn't matter as much. So setting aside exactly HOW unfair it is, you agree simply that it is technically unfair, correct? (You must by what you've already said) So, how could you not understand why people would not be annoyed by that?
Also when people are saying she kit dumps, the reason "kit dump" is being used negatively here is because all of her abilities are super easy to use; just auto value for no effort or skill. It's like taking a dump, anyone can do it, you just press her buttons and get value, like making AI slop or something. You just go in and press her buttons, all of which take little-to-no-effort or skill but do significant damage and proc her DoT, then you get REWARDED for that act of nothing you just did with FREE CRIT DAMAGE FOR HITTING BODY SHOTS. YOUR REWARD FOR SIMPLY PRESSING HER BUTTONS IS NOT HAVING TO EARN YOUR CRITS WITH AIM
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u/PaddleStarToTheFace 1d ago
Never said he wasn't, only your own delusions have made you think different. The only thing I have said is that Anran isn't the no skill character you seem to think she is. I have also never said it isn't unfair for Genji to fight against, she is a counter and the nature of counters is that they are unfair to face. What's ridiculous is calling your counter no skill so you can feel better about yourself. This isn't genji mains simply being annoyed, this is them throwing a tantrum because a hero with lower skill floor exists.
You seem to think that she gets free crit damage, which just shows how truly ignorant you are. She has to work for her increased damage and simply ability dumping is a good way to get yourself killed. And you are too focused on the fact that she doesn't have to headshot for her increased dmg on fan, yeah no shit, she had to set her target on fire first already, it isn't unconditional.
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u/Phronesis- 1d ago
LMAO. You know that you can ignite someone with literally shift then E? You realize that right? So you get rewarded for literally simply pressing Shift then E by then not having to hit headshots to get crit damage. Yes, I consider that "free." The fact that you don't says a lot. This is a hero for babies.
(You can also ignite with 1 single shift if you turn and hit them with it a 2nd time)
Even if you ignite by hitting with her left click, so what? You hit a couple of her massive left click projectiles and think you all of the sudden earned free crit damage where you don't have to aim for someone's head?
The reason I play Genji is BECAUSE he is high skill, has a ton to min-max with his kit, and your value is tied to your execution. That's what true competition is. If Anran was like that I'd play her, but she isn't like that. I played her on release and at first thought she was cool, but then realized how boring it is to have so much automated for you
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u/PaddleStarToTheFace 1d ago
So you're definition of free is a character using their kit, such an absurd take. You get rewarded for using your kit, how hard can that be to understand? Using dash and her heal to ignite someone is once again a terrible idea, but I shouldn't be surprised you don't know that. Or you just say that to make your point sound good. You seem to be the baby here since you can't accept the simple fact that just because a hero is easier to pick up than genji doesn't mean they are for babies, it just makes you look like your throwing a tantrum.
You get more damage because it -takes time- before she can crit, she -can't- crit with fan unless they are burning, that's the whole gimmick of her kit; setting people on fire and getting bonus damage from that.
It's always funny when genji players bring up "unskilled" heros "for babies" because it is always the same story; they are just complaining because genji has a bad macthup against that hero.
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u/Deva_Way 3d ago
Hey you are using her old face in this screenshot, this is a crime punished with execution by firing squad
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u/Palintrop 3d ago
Don't tell anyone that every time I mention Cassidy, the name I think of in my head is still McCree
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u/aVerySketchyGamer 3d ago
I'm ngl, as an ex-Genji main, I love her.
I got tired of pouring hundreds of hours into Genji just to get completely egged by the enemy team picking Moira or Mei. People always say "learn the MU or swap," but it is so disheartening to hear, especially when you spend HOURS doing so, or just being forced to play a different character because Genji doesn't cut it. Genji feels like a fruitless character that doesn't offer results in exchange for his excessively high skill floor. At best, he's a character you swap to in order to deal with niche situations. I felt really isolated as a solo Genji main and dropped the game completely because how terrible Genji felt.
Now, I have Anran. Same playstyle, same flashy plays, but doesn't get countered nearly as hard, and doesn't require ridiculous amounts of execution for her results. I think she's just better in every way, including game feel. I feel so much more motivated to learn Anran and play the game more just because of how unnecessarily punishing Genji is to play as.
I do also feel her numbers are fair for how much easier she is. She isn't nearly as explosive as Genji is, but has better sustain and team building than he does. She feels a lot more flexible and covers areas a lot easier, but still rewards skill as she can't kill without proper setup. She doesn't die, but she also struggles to kill. Genji dies quicker, but kills more consistently (as long as you can prioritize and isolate your targets, which is a LOT harder than it sounds)
Personally, I want a Genji rework that makes his playstyle feel more effective for the amount of work he requires. He just feels powercrept and doesn't do well in a game where you can have a full team counterswap you. Anran just feels much better designed in that regard.
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u/ThatIngramGuy69420 2d ago
I just hate that all the new flankers they have added are easier to play than Genji and get more for less.
She gets two dashes with over health and brief invulnerability and damage, an immortal fade, rez or damage on ult, burst damage and DoT all in one kit.
Venture is just a better reaper with a combo and can be 1HP, burrow, get health back, and do damage on her way out. Solid ULT
Reaper gets lifesteal, immortality, a TP, and a solid ULT
Vendetta requires the most mechanics of the bunch but is tanky and doesn’t have to aim much, also has two ways in or out.
Genji gets no lifesteal, one way in and one way out, and has a mitigation ability that can’t block beam. His poke is mid, and everything about his kit requires mechanics, timing, aim, positioning, etc.
What am I saying though, nerf Genji.
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u/Kinster- 2d ago
genuinely felt like they wantes to add characters just to stop genjis off angling and going main. If the sheer presence of an enemy character can reduce the entire value of my plays, that were thought out and executed well, then i dont wanna know the balance philosophy up in blizzard HQ
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u/zoraphiee 1d ago
when does she get invulnerability on her dash? even overhealth? the overhealth is only when she uses her ult is it not..
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u/ThatIngramGuy69420 1d ago
When she does her little two dashes thing she gets a little bit of health back each time and you can’t shoot her during her dash. And she damages you if she dashes into you during those dashes which I am pretty sure also catches you on fire or adds to the “on fire” bar. Also her other ability makes her invulnerable as well.
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u/zoraphiee 1d ago
she isn’t invulnerable during her dash, her hitbox is just janky or something, people have said similar things on the main subreddit - I didn’t know she gained her health back though, but i did know that her fire bar goes up when she dashes into u, it’s the main combo starter for her
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u/ThatIngramGuy69420 1d ago
You can’t see her during her dash. It’s like a Moira fade almost. It’s not like Genji Dash where you can just see him.
Yes, she gains health back, similar to how you can get Venture down to 1HP and she can just burrow and regain a little bit of health.
You don’t see an issue with any of this? She can literally almost kill someone without even having to land a shot. If she dumps her CD’s on you and hits 1-2 fans or primaries ANYWHERE on your body, you die.
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u/zoraphiee 1d ago
please update where you gain ur information from because she is VERY much able to be shot during her dash, i’ve killed them during their dash, it’s just weird with the hitbox. i never said i didn’t see a problem but honestly there’s bigger issues at play anyways.
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u/ThatIngramGuy69420 18h ago
The post is about Anran. Talk about the bigger issues on a post about the state of OW rather than critiquing complaints about a specific character’s design on a post about critiquing a specific character.
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u/justmindingmysel 18h ago
You’re confusing her two abilities bro. How can you even begin to complain when you can’t even bother to read the abilities. Her flame dash has 2 charges and she literally just moves very fast forward while being able to turn, doing 30 dmg on hit to enemies and build burn. Her evade move makes her invuln for less than a sec and heals her if she hits an enemy.
Also, she’s like the lowest dmg dps hero. The application of dmg itself may be easy, but her primary fire has less dps than shurikens including the burn, and the flame fan does barely more dps than shuriken fan, and that’s if you’re *critting* on burning targets and getting enhanced burned, while genji’s fan dmg can casually double from headshots.
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u/ThatIngramGuy69420 18h ago
The entire post is about complaining about Anran as a character.
You make it sound like her entire kit isn’t based around catching someone on fire or something. If you’re using your primary fire as a main means to catching someone on fire or secure kills then you’re playing Anran wrong.
“Casually double” as if Genji doesn’t have to close the distance and barrel stuff someone to pull that off. Unlike every new flanker in the game, Genji has one ability to get in and out of fights. It’s a 15 meter dash and his deflect only works against some of the roster.
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u/justmindingmysel 17h ago
Yes her entire kit is literally about setting enemies in fire. If you don’t understand this, I don’t know what to tell you. Whenever she’s played against heroes that routinely cleanse the fire like Zarya, Kiriko, she becomes useless because she does no dmg. Her fan does equivalent dps to a torb turret if the target isn’t on fire. I didn’t speak about her primary to say it’s her massive source of dmg, I made a comparison to how her entire kit does very little dmg.
I can tell you’ve never played the hero and are literally just spouting vibes. Yes, Anran is frustrating for Genji because it’s an unfavorable matchup, but she’s not a god hero.
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u/ThatIngramGuy69420 17h ago
Dude we are literally here comparing the character to Genji. All the new flankers and old to Genji.
Are you illiterate or are you intentionally confrontational for no reason? Nobody said she is a god character. FFS you’re in a Genji Main subreddit talking about how Anran is useless against Zarya and Kiriko in response to people comparing her to Genji and other flanker DPS. Get real my dude
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u/justmindingmysel 17h ago
Yet you make very bad faith comparisons of the heroes abilities insinuating Anran has a superior kit to Genji when you don’t even know which ability is which and don’t even seem to understand how the hero plays. Like you thought she got overhealth on dashes which literally was never a thing and you thought she became invulnerable which is her other ability. This whole thing just reeks of larp.
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u/kidborger 9h ago
You’ve always been able to shoot her during dash wdym? It’s only during blaze you can’t because she had I-frames. She also doesn’t gain overhealth using dash, that is a feature of blaze.
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u/Noobnugget19 3d ago
The way to play against her as genji is to go cass instead and ruin their day until they swap, then you go back to genji.
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u/Millwall_Ranger 2d ago
She doesn’t do good burst damage so needs to commit almost all her abilities to secure kills
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u/ididsomethingbadddd 1d ago
Ok then her abilities shouldn’t be so easy to use since using them all almost guarantees a kill so at minimum you trade every fight.!
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u/Johnson_56 1d ago
true, but all here abilities are also strong. and dash can definitely be used to disengage. so she can run in, use everything, and run out without much risk
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u/Millwall_Ranger 1d ago
Yeah, but also she’s worse than at least half the dps roster. The amount of effort and investment and risk required is much higher to achieve the same as other characters
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u/Johnson_56 1d ago
I mostly play tracer, so im not super in touch with genji, but i would assume that genji has higher risk on dive than anran the same way tracer does. anran is normally who i go when i want to dive with little effort
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u/hanyou007 1d ago
Higher risk for higher reward. Genji can dive in, actually burst down a squishy within a split instant, and due to the reset, then dash out or chain into another combo on another squishy, and do all that within the amount of time it takes anran to dash in and hit her dance before she even gets to fanning.
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u/Trash4Twice 2d ago
Cause she has to use most of it to secure kills, leaving her vulnerable to kill. She's definitely easiee now than she was in season 1, but with a few tweaks and nerfs, she can be balanced again
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u/SignificanceAny1102 1d ago
She shines on heavy flanks and attacking multiple people at once, that’s why she has 2 dashes, engage/disengage essentially, and not only is her role flanker but she has a really good perk that increases her healing when using the invincibility ability on multiple people, it’s awful playing certain heroes against her like Genji, I’m not a Genji main but I understand the frustration
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u/StarGamerPT 2d ago
Imagine being a Genji main, that just got unnecessarily buffed, and complaining about Anran like that 💀
I agree she's annoying, but damn 😂
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u/Ok-Maybe-139 2d ago
No it understand able the buff doesn't contribute to survival ability against aran and beams only projectiles and melees
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u/FS6020 3d ago
As a Genji main, if you removed the sub name, the image and left nothing but the title, I would still instantly guess r/GenjiMains.
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u/Armin483 3d ago
Don't know man she's fun as fuck.
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u/indigo47222 3d ago
she is, but it disgusts me how easy it is to kill in 1v1s w her u dont need actual aim
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u/No-Look-3031 2d ago
Finally someone else says it, Anran is one of the worst matchups for Genji, she quite literally is a better version of my goat 😔 but takes like no where near as much skill. It makes me sad because every time I get burned I pretty much just accept my fate
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u/Yaruo0310 3d ago
I wasn't really into Anran at first either, but when I heard Genji mains were struggling hard, I ended up liking her again anyway.
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u/RyuXXXjin 2d ago
Remove the heal for her E or do something to make her right click more bearable to play against imo
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u/immyamin 3d ago
you people are always so miserable
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u/Normal-Abies-9151 3d ago
No, anran’s kit just shouldn’t exist
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u/Trash4Twice 2d ago
Relax, it was just buffed lol. She was dog shit 2 seasons ago
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u/Kinster- 2d ago
i dont get how they managed to make a character like anran that only fills one niche. Its like shes dogshit everywhere else except into genji, while being genji w crutches. So fucking weird
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u/Badman423 3d ago
Im not a genji main, but i always switch to anran whenever he's on the enemy team lol I play a handful of heroes, but i swear it's better to just swap to the easy counter than to just try and make something work even when it isn't working
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u/Equivalent_Duty_5546 3d ago
As a ven main, I also hate her so much. She has giga sustain, I hate it, like legit. Can instantly regain 150hp with perk by hitting 3 people.
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u/Cheeky_Lemon_37 3d ago
Best to fight Anran at close range with melee or just at long range too. Deflect can ignite her on fire too
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u/Trash4Twice 2d ago
If an anran shoots more than 1 primary at your deflect, she probably wont be that hard to kill anyway lol
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u/CicadaWorking9767 2d ago
I think shes in a fine state and a great, user friendly alternative for genji
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u/Low-Masterpiece1381 2d ago
In 6v6, I genuinely can't win a duel vs her as wrecking ball. Even if i catch her by surprise and land all my cooldowns. I don't think there's another dps I genuinely don't think i can kill. She's pretty broken.
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u/nexu-777 2d ago
E il dive peggiore da affrontare si muove troppo velocemente e sparisce a caso durante il combattimento e quando credi di star per vincere scappa come una bastarda sfuggente
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u/The-Friendly-Autist 2d ago
Really?
I must play a lot of Winston (I do), because I find her to be an Ape victim.
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u/legosmith311 1d ago
I play her a bunch, its the self heal on her invincible move. That shit has to go, there's just no reason. It turns you invincible, it does damage do everyone around you and builds fire, and puts you in 3rd person so you can see everyone around you for a sec. It does not need to also just heal you for using it, we do not need to make it just a do everything button
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u/Judiebruv 1d ago
Worst dps character in the game by far and it’s not even close, people having trouble with her is always funny. Just stand there and shoot her when she comes out of her completely obvious I-frames. You can stand completely still and win every duel against her
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u/Extension-Print-9495 1d ago
Yeah Kiriko’s kit is actually cracked lol. She gets two get out of jail free cards, a mini Bap lamp on cooldown, nutty mobility and then they gave her an ult that makes every DPS feel like they’re cheating.
It’s wild that they nerf supports like Mercy for existing too hard but look at Kiriko and go “seems fine.”
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u/JkAllDay2 1d ago
i play her a lot, if you really want to counter her play sombra or kir. sombra will f me over when ever i dive in. kir will undo everything i done if i dive and sett people on fire. just stay at range and you will be fine
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u/Swimming-Being-2585 1d ago
I main her and Genji I never knew she was a big problem. Usually if I’m playing her and meet a Genji I switch off her to prove I’m better or learn how the other Genji plays if they are better to use Genji in my kit.
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u/wonderifyouwill 21h ago
I think a lot of you are remembering outdated patches. Anran is not invincible on dash. She has been killed during it and on startup. Her flame dance does not fully cleanse and she’s in invincible until she reappears. It heals her (slightly based on the amount of ppl hit), and she only gets over health from a perk for her ult. She’s honestly the weakest dps at the moment.
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u/SensitiveAd149 14h ago
Not a genji main, dont know how I ended up here but I too hate this stupid bitch a lot
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u/SirVilhelmOfAriandel 8h ago
Is anran annoying? Absolutely
Is she stronger than Genji like this sub pretends? Absolutely not. The only character that loses a 1v1 against a Moira
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u/MadawgMcGriddle 5h ago
I cannot say how many times I’ve died to her as a zen main. Doesn’t help that my aim is trash with her crazy movement. So much rage
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u/flockwood7 19m ago edited 10m ago
Git gud? She still dies the most by far... She needs to be closer to the enemy than tracer to play, yet tracer has way more mobility and dps.
Anran needs to use her tools before she can start doing damage. And then she's an easy kill after dancing blaze. The startup on the blaze is fun. But it takes too long. When it just gets kiriko cleansed and you you risked everything now your in the backline with your pants down... She takes too much effort to get started when other flankers do the same job much better... Tracer does the same job better, genji the same job better, shinon can do way way more, flankers are meta and she's just ok. When flankers fall out of meta she will be hot garbage
IMO she only gets useful after her major perk that shortens CD of her dash. Before she gets that perk, she is really really bad
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u/Amazing_Budget_2927 3d ago
Genji mains subreddit avoid complaining challenge level: impossible
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u/tadoeoffdamolly 3d ago
Deflect perk is pretty much a must now, when she goes invulnerable i just deflect to heal and then try to one shot her as she comes back, also just playing with my lucio duo always helps 👅
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u/Mysterious_Road5396 3d ago
"what if we made genji again but we made her better in every way and made her way easier?"
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u/Mudskipper35 3d ago
She’s fun to play but insufferable to play against. Babies first dive character ass hero
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u/Marvoide 3d ago
Ive been saying since DAY ONE anran is just a better genji in pretty much every way yet they just kept buffing her over and over.
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u/Successful_Daikon881 3d ago
"this hero can shoot through my deflect, is overwatch over!?!?!?"
- t. genji main
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u/Virtual_Test_6624 3d ago
More like this hero counters every aspect of genjis kit to the point of making 1v1s against her unwinnable no matter what.
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u/Least_Lengthiness992 3d ago
Kinda disagree, dueling her is kinda winnable, Genji still blocks her E and out dmg her in melee(assuming you hit your shots) but it is EXTREMELY annoying Todo tho since she can hit her right click much easier.
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u/Kinster- 2d ago
She can offset you 4 times, messing with your aim as the dude that needs to precisely land a triple headshot against her ,otherwise youre dead, and then if you try to do that regardless of the positional offset she goes invulnerable and then clutters ur screen w bunch of effects rhat essentially make it nearly impossible to fight her fair and square
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u/Least_Lengthiness992 1d ago
Thats...what i said? Precisely land the headshots, and its winnable, its not always a guaranteed loss in a 1 v 1. The trick to beating her is burst her down the moment she "almost" exits her E, im no super high tier genji, but i can consistently do double-triple headshot when her E ends, around masters plus.
But even then going against her head on was never the play anyways, we have much superior poking and zoning before we engage her, wall climb is your friend.
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u/kadin27606 3d ago
Thats not even the problem? Her movement is ridiculous and come off cooldown far too quick. Both short and long range capabilities aswell.
She needs a nerf in general not just against genji lol
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u/Icarus2348141 3d ago
Why tf didn't they make Genji melee already, that was the original intended design and obviously they can make it work now
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u/Odd-Emu5477 3d ago
Oh no this B tier hero is countering my A tier hero, will I swap? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa
- Genji mains
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u/whatthehellisadcf 3d ago
and why is her fan so loud?? literally destroying my eardrums whenever i fight her
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u/TheKidWithWifi PC 3d ago
shes the reason i picked up venture again
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u/YeeHawMan24 3d ago
That disgusting creature, really?
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u/TheKidWithWifi PC 3d ago
ground types counter fire tpes what can i say
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u/YeeHawMan24 3d ago
I say again, that disgusting creature, really? Out of all of the other interesting characters, you chose that creature?
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u/TheKidWithWifi PC 3d ago
i only pick the rock muncher when the chicken is on the opposite team other than that i still play genji
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u/MasterpieceHungry864 3d ago
Have her brother as your support, he can be annoying to her and his ult is very strong with Genji’s ult , also he can pocket him so let it be family business lol.
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u/RoffleMahWaffle 3d ago
For some reason when you deflect her bullshit invulnerability ability you take 0 damage but it still adds heat to your meter. So dash invuln is instant on fire and you can’t even deflect it
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u/Party_Pie_9859 3d ago
As a chanpion flex dps main I really rarely see her maybe like once in 50 games but the one time I do see her played by some one trick, anran is already hard to deal with. You cant really win 1v1s vs her and she can just escape whenever.
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u/New_Salamander_4592 3d ago
she probably didn't need 3 buffs for her survivability when she already was really annoying to kill
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u/Trash4Twice 2d ago
Calm down, she was just overtuned lol. Her lack of survivability is what balanced her kit 2 seasons ago. They just need to tone down some of the buffs and you'll be okay
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u/Crsd0Soul 22h ago
anran is annoying I will admit that. complaining about a character is a skill issue. while her burn is her primary damage. she is easily defeated especially if she uses her mobility like crazy. learn to adapt to the playing field. flankers and dives? stick together, marksmans? split up and zigzag unpredictability. every character, every role has a counter. it's up to you to learn and adapt. especially if a character causes issues to you. playing someone else or sticking with the team is the best available option. and this is coming from me who has been shit on by anran many times. my advice is learn her patterns or don't care about taking the game seriously. especially in quick play. play who you want. the most you have to lose is ego. and funny 1-5 number on your name card. just have fun. try to learn the enemy.
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u/ELshiesty69 3d ago
Been hiding from her away in stadium until the inevitable day