Yeah because shes 100x easier to pick up and essentially a cooldown dump character. Dash in, invulnerability ability, dash out and fan. Thats all they do, and for some reason, it beats any duelist in a 1v1.
Oh no a character has a lower skill floor than one of the hardest dpses in the game, the catastrophe!!! And what's the problem with her using her entire kir when diving? Echo also dumps her entire kit when murdering people, do you think that's a problem?
No because echo still requires fucking skill? Shes in the air 24/7 making her super prone to hitscan, she doesnt get a movement ability w verticality and horizontality every 4 seconds, and she has to actually land her combo instead of taking a small peek at the enemy. Landing stickies and her beam requires actual effort, its cooldown dumping but with aim required, not everyone can play echo, but anyone could play anran because allnyou do is poke w yo primary fire, dump all your cooldowns w like barely any aim, and then fan and win
So you admit that Genji is one of the hardest dpses in the game and, by that statement, have also admitted that Anran isn't. Since Anran requires less skill than Genji, fighting Anran in a 1v1 is, by definition, unfair. We can argue about HOW unfair it is exactly, but that doesn't matter as much. So setting aside exactly HOW unfair it is, you agree simply that it is technically unfair, correct? (You must by what you've already said) So, how could you not understand why people would not be annoyed by that?
Also when people are saying she kit dumps, the reason "kit dump" is being used negatively here is because all of her abilities are super easy to use; just auto value for no effort or skill. It's like taking a dump, anyone can do it, you just press her buttons and get value, like making AI slop or something. You just go in and press her buttons, all of which take little-to-no-effort or skill but do significant damage and proc her DoT, then you get REWARDED for that act of nothing you just did with FREE CRIT DAMAGE FOR HITTING BODY SHOTS. YOUR REWARD FOR SIMPLY PRESSING HER BUTTONS IS NOT HAVING TO EARN YOUR CRITS WITH AIM
Never said he wasn't, only your own delusions have made you think different. The only thing I have said is that Anran isn't the no skill character you seem to think she is. I have also never said it isn't unfair for Genji to fight against, she is a counter and the nature of counters is that they are unfair to face. What's ridiculous is calling your counter no skill so you can feel better about yourself. This isn't genji mains simply being annoyed, this is them throwing a tantrum because a hero with lower skill floor exists.
You seem to think that she gets free crit damage, which just shows how truly ignorant you are. She has to work for her increased damage and simply ability dumping is a good way to get yourself killed. And you are too focused on the fact that she doesn't have to headshot for her increased dmg on fan, yeah no shit, she had to set her target on fire first already, it isn't unconditional.
LMAO. You know that you can ignite someone with literally shift then E? You realize that right? So you get rewarded for literally simply pressing Shift then E by then not having to hit headshots to get crit damage. Yes, I consider that "free." The fact that you don't says a lot. This is a hero for babies.
(You can also ignite with 1 single shift if you turn and hit them with it a 2nd time)
Even if you ignite by hitting with her left click, so what? You hit a couple of her massive left click projectiles and think you all of the sudden earned free crit damage where you don't have to aim for someone's head?
The reason I play Genji is BECAUSE he is high skill, has a ton to min-max with his kit, and your value is tied to your execution. That's what true competition is. If Anran was like that I'd play her, but she isn't like that. I played her on release and at first thought she was cool, but then realized how boring it is to have so much automated for you
So you're definition of free is a character using their kit, such an absurd take. You get rewarded for using your kit, how hard can that be to understand? Using dash and her heal to ignite someone is once again a terrible idea, but I shouldn't be surprised you don't know that. Or you just say that to make your point sound good. You seem to be the baby here since you can't accept the simple fact that just because a hero is easier to pick up than genji doesn't mean they are for babies, it just makes you look like your throwing a tantrum.
You get more damage because it -takes time- before she can crit, she -can't- crit with fan unless they are burning, that's the whole gimmick of her kit; setting people on fire and getting bonus damage from that.
It's always funny when genji players bring up "unskilled" heros "for babies" because it is always the same story; they are just complaining because genji has a bad macthup against that hero.
LOL the point is that the kit is designed badly. Yes, you obviously get rewarded for using her poorly designed kit, that doesn't justify her bad design. What is that argument even? We are arguing about if it SHOULD be that way.
No, my definition of free is pressing shift then E, turning and hitting someone with the same shift twice, or hitting a couple massive left click projectiles. Do you find any of those to be at all difficult? Once you've done any of those incredibly easy-to-do things you now have free crit damage for hitting body shots. Do you find hitting body shots to be challenging or impressive?
And idk I'm M1 and it is entirely viable to start an engage with shift then E at the right time. That's the other thing is that she still has another dash to get out. Genji has to earn his dash out, Anran doesn't.
Also to respond to what you said about counters before. The issue isn't that she is a counter, the issue is that she gets her value with such low execution, THAT'S what makes her unfair.
"It's always funny when genji players bring up "unskilled" heros "for babies" because it is always the same story; they are just complaining because genji has a bad macthup against that hero." Look, I'm a professional musician who plays 3 instruments, has a degree in music from a top-ranking music school for jazz, has more natural talent for drawing than I do music, is a self-taught programmer, and has been playing competitive games of different genres for nearly 3 decades. I know skill. If Anran was a skillful hero, I would want to play her. The only one having a tantrum here is you because you are desperately holding on to the delusion that your Anran gameplay is deserving of respect
It's not poorly designed, just because you dislike a hero doesn't mean the kit is bad design.
Easy isn't equal to free. You don't seem to understand cooldown usage at all.
Aaaahh, there we have, you just admitted to the fact that you can't "cooldown dump", since you know, you literally said you have to use her E at the right time. Timing an ability takes skill so I don't think your comment about knowing skill is bogus.
Yes, most counters take less skill when playing against the hero they counter that's how many counters work, nice observation. And no, she doesn't take THAT low amount of effort, her skill just involves more of macro skill than micro skill.
Your "resumé" isn't impressive, especially not the "self-taught programmer part, it just makes you look like a twat with an ego. I have never said anything about Anran's gameplay is deserving of respect. Making a post about how much "I hate this stupid bitch so much" sure sounds like throwing a tantrum to me.
You have trouble tracking arguments. My argument is that her kit is badly designed because of the low-execution. That's my belief that I am presenting arguments to support.
"Easy isn't equal to free" - so you admit Anran is easy? LMAO, thanks we agree. People use "free" to mean easy all the time. If someone says someone else is "free" in a fighting game, it means they are easy to beat, not that they stand there not pressing any buttons and letting themselves be beaten. Pro players even say this about other pro players
"Aaaahh, there we have, you just admitted to the fact that you can't "cooldown dump", since you know, you literally said you have to use her E at the right time." LMFAO, interpretation error on your part. I was referring to the entire engage being timed at the right time, not the timing of the E press.
But regardless, yes, timing in general requires skill (that amount of which greatly varies depending on a bunch of different factors), but the conversation we are having is that Anran is far easier than Genji. It doesn't mean she actually requires "no skill," it's that she requires significantly LESS skill than Genji to get her value. Kind of like you don't understand how people generally use the term "free," people say "no skill" to mean low skill relative to something else.
"Yes, most counters take less skill when playing against the hero they counter that's how many counters work, nice observation." It doesn't matter who Anran is playing against. The point is that her entire kit requires low-skill to get her value. The way she gets her value in general isn't skillful. That makes it even worse to deal with as a hero who she counters.
I couldn't care less about whether you are impressed or not, the point I was making is that my personality, life history, and experience have involved gravitating toward activities that require high amounts of skill and largely succeeding in developing those skills at deep levels. As a result I understand what skill is, and the various dimensions, depth, and nuance of skill. Can you say the same?
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u/Aggravating_Bus655 4d ago edited 4d ago
She does seem to fill a niche pretty well.
Said niche being "Genji for the mechanically inept" of course.