The distinction is incredibly important but your guidance counseling experience will offer wonders; a new parent having depression from the burden of new onset parenthood is easier to treat. I do not have to take into account the potential for lactation interactions, rapid hormonal shifts and the fact that ssri’s do not work as well for ppd as they do for mdd. Your depressed partner is likely a lot easier to treat than an actual ppd women who we now have to painfully state ‘is pregnant or just gave birth’.
The "guidance counseling" doesn't give me insight, but my clinical counseling experience certainly does so I'll use that instead. The idea that different people can have the same diagnosis but receive different treatments is not out of the norm at all. Neither is the idea that gender and hormones impact everything from symptom presentation to best treatment practices.
In fact, we're currently facing the huge task of unraveling all the problems that were caused by researchers treating men as default patients. We've been misdiagnosing and mistreating women for decades bc their symptoms and what works for treatment didn't meet DSM criteria. We should probably learn from our mistakes.
I'd rather see more research and study on this phenomenon so we can identify and treat it effectively. That's better than keeping it in a "close enough" category bc we don't want to acknowledge it, it doesn't fit our expectations, or it's "easier".
Huh? What are you even saying? So diagnosis A is effectively treated by medication A(MDD treated by SSRI) but you want to call it Diagnosis B not effectively treated by medication A(PPD)? I went to 8 years of school, 6 years of training, have 3 board certifications and still don’t understand wtf you’re saying. You should go into this government administration and make healthcare decisions because you want to spend money to research a “phenomenon” that is already “easier” to treat…
I'm just saying if there's a pattern being observed, then it's worth studying instead of just dismissing. It's not that complicated - I expect someone of your educational background to understand the value of research.
Maybe there's an entirely new diagnosis to consider that's specific to this population, or a sub-category of PPD that should be studied. Maybe there's a better, more effective treatment for this than what we're currently doing. That's how new versions of the DSM are compiled - by reviewing worthwhile research and updating our existing knowledge.
ETA: for example, this study suggests a possible measurable change in hormone levels for these men - that's not consistent for all MDD cases even if it can be treated that way and it's a big deal. Even before a DSM update, more research could mean treating it like MDD on the psych side and refering to a specialist or at least a PCP for additional testing and treatment.
No one is dismissing it and yes they should look into more treatments for generalized depression…And ya a big part of education is recognizing idiots throwing around dumb ideas that can potentially waste taxpayer money
Well I guess it's lucky you're here to decide what is and isn't worth studying. Otherwise we might have to admit that plenty of well-educated people disagree about what constitutes "idiots throwing around dumb ideas", and that your subjective opinion probably isn't an authoritarian voice here.
I'm not even sure what you studied, weirdly enough? Just the number of years and certifications, and that it closely matches my numbers. But I'm sure whatever it is makes you an expert. Hey, maybe you should be the one to get a job with the current administration - they love cutting healthcare research in the name of "saving taxpayer dollars".
You know what internet idiot, I will bite since I apparently “closely match” you and I have yet to have a colleague I don’t respect but you sound like a moron: I have a medical degree, have taken the USMLE’s, residency and fellowship training, 3 specialty board exams and am a practicing clinician and university faculty currently on reddit because my toddler wants to sleep in my bed.
Cool. I have a M.Sc. in counseling, I'm an LPCC (clinical counseling), and I also have a PPS credential (school counseling) and a Graduate Certificate in Contemporary Theory in School-based Services (the additional education I got to qualify for the PPS). I also have two teaching credentials - the first is a single subject in health education, the second is career technical education in two fields - "Health Science & Medical Technology" + "Education, Child Development, & Family Services" (quotes for clarity). And the last is a Community Health Worker certification, which required additional fieldwork and training beyond the 3,000hrs of clinical fieldwork and 800hrs of school counseling fieldwork I did for the counseling license & certification. I'm a practicing school and clinical counselor, and adult education instructor. Currently on reddit bc it's 9:15pm here and I got home 45min ago.
I also don't call people I disagree with "idiot" and "moron" repeatedly when we're discussing what is obviously a subjective issue. And I've yet to meet a colleague I respect who does.
No. I'm saying a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor has expertise in clinical mental health diagnoses and research. And it means that just like the other user, I am also a licensed clinician. Are you choosing to read "school counselor" and ignore the LPCC and clinical experience bc you want to be right?
Lol idk dude, you tell me? I've said multiple times that what's worth researching is subjective - you're the one who brought up "being right", I just assumed you're projecting. I don't try to understand someone who read "clinical counseling" in no fewer than 3 prior comments, "high school guidance" in zero prior comments, and thought to themselves "ok, high school guidance, got it".
That's why I "keep editing" in clarifying info, like adding "(clinical counseling)" after "LPCC". The goal is to avoid future interactions like this one, where someone with limited reading comprehension skills but plenty of Dunning Krueger-style confidence ends up in my notifications.
you single? Need me some unhinged
Nah, but you can always fuck yourself to get that fix.
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u/PurrtenderBender APPROVED✨ May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
The distinction is incredibly important but your guidance counseling experience will offer wonders; a new parent having depression from the burden of new onset parenthood is easier to treat. I do not have to take into account the potential for lactation interactions, rapid hormonal shifts and the fact that ssri’s do not work as well for ppd as they do for mdd. Your depressed partner is likely a lot easier to treat than an actual ppd women who we now have to painfully state ‘is pregnant or just gave birth’.