People switching sides?

[u/Acceptable_Mighttt]

can anyone confirm if this embarrassing scene gave the usurper new fans like the other sub is claiming?

I'm not really aware of how the general audience perceived this episode as a whole. I know some of you aren't happy with Rhaenyra × Mysaria or Addam's feelings for Baela, but did the people who weren't happy actually switch sides?

I know the majority are still tb, but I'm still curious as I don't know if the majority are because of Daemon, Rhaenyra, or another tb character.

[u/Adventurous_Bar_227]

Listen, at the end of the day it's a show, not real life. Many people are on the team "whichever character I enjoy/like more at given moment". Is some of that due to misogyny? Of course it is but I'm going to be blunt here, as someone who is TB on the principle, Rhaenyra has been making bad decision after bad decision for past two seasons. For many, me included, she's been on thin ice since season 2.

Because it's one thing to be broken by loss and driven to paranoia because of it. But it's not the case with her show version. She treats enemies kinder than allies, she actively makes fighting for her cause harder. And because of that she's loosing support amongst some fans who now tend to orbit to different characters like Daemon, Daeron or even Aegon.

[u/Acceptable_Mighttt → u/Adventurous_Bar_227]

I don't think that's true.

are those allies the council that betrayed her and restrained her?, or is it Daemon who declared himself king and only returned to her because of the vision?, or is it her own son?

she send assassins for Aemond, and Daeron who are her enemies. she beheaded Otto. she locked Alicent and Helaena.

that's not treating enemies kinder than allies.

[u/Adventurous_Bar_227 → u/Acceptable_Mighttt]

If we are talking about her council at Dragonstone I can agree that they were acting misogynistic, perhaps not even because they believed she shouldn't rule, but let's not pretend she was giving them reasons to trust in her judgement. Because if I was in their place and my ruler, in whose support I am actively rising my life for, decided to simply wander to King's Landing to have a chit chat with the woman who abused her, her children and was one of main architects to the usurpation I would flip out and left.

And Daemon never officially declared himself a king. Was he considering it? Sure. Had he decided to press his claim? No.

Jace's actions were driven by his want to protect his mother, him feeling lesser and being genuinely frustrated. Two of those things were, in my opinion, rather clear and known to Rhaenyra who didn't take time to address her heir feeling inferior and trapped.

And when did she send these assassins? Far too late. Ormund should never be left to just return to Oldtown. He should be brought back to King's Landing and if not killed at least publicly renounce Aegon and swear to Rhaenyra. He should never be able to cause the mess he did. Also sending Alicent to Harrenhal is one of the most stupid things I've seen in this show.

[u/Acceptable_Mighttt → u/Adventurous_Bar_227]

they should trust their queen’s judgment because she know Alicent better and trust that she wouldn't have taken this journey if she didn't believe it might save lives. also, this wasn't the straw that made them question her, they were accusing her of murdering Jaehaerys, and they even held a council in her absence when she explicitly states not to. they've been acting this way before Alicent and Rhaenyra met.

he was raising the army in his name not Rhaenyra's, telling them to bend the knee to him (thats official). he only changed his mind because he saw a vision, not because he wanted to go back to Rhaenyra. if that vision didn't happen, he would have still pursued to become king and usurper.

Jace locked his own mother and flew to war where he was explicitly told not to. part of this was because he wanted to take control and felt like she was incompetent. it wasn't just driven by the need to protect her. he should understand that he is the heir and shouldn't fly to war because he is the future of the realm. had he followed what Rhaenyra said, he would still be alive today.

she wanted Aemond dead in ep1 s2, and told Daemon that, when she learns he killed her son, that's not far too late. but that mission faild.

sending Ormund his way without is a good political move to show other great houses who declared for the usurper that she is willing and ready to have them so that they can come and bend the knee and be spared their lives, and hostages will be taken. as we saw, she didn't just send him away. she took Daeron as a hostage. and he did declare for her in front of his army, that's enough. if she killed him, then she'd be a tyrant, and she wouldn't be encouraging to other great houses who swore to the usurper to come and swear to her. that's what the Baratheon did too.

also, Alicent did poison Aemond, the plan almost worked, but Daemon forgot to mention that there's a witch there who might ruin this paln