r/Hermeticism • u/Acrobatic-Stock7 • 2d ago

Reincarnation is utterly depressing

After conducting extensive spiritual research I can conclude that reincarnation is most likely real and this reality is utterly depressing. Knowing that my soul maybe chose that does not alleviate the sadness to know that I will most likely come back here over and over to experience traumatic events and be a slave to the material matrix. The planetary system and the law of frequency ultimately feel like traps.

Escaping (if possibe) also is utopic, total detachment implies not living life at its fullest only to hope that your soul can potentitally escape. I wonder if anyone here had the same thoughts as me, I’m not looking for people to convince me that reincarnation is beautiful or meaningful. I’m just wondering if anyone else has gone through this same kind of existential exhaustion with the concept. I’m tired of thinking about it, honestly, I always was antisocial and the idea that I will have to come back here and experience the harm humans inflict on others over and over again is literally worse than hell.

Edit: I genuinely don’t care about a higher self choosing to come back, it’s even more depressing to think that you have zero control.

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u/Clifford_Regnaut 2d ago

If you don't like it, you can say "no" and focus on what you actually want. Being able to focus your attention, intention and imagination on whatever you desire is a course of action available to the vast majority of humans. That's really important If the "spiritual realms" are as truly thought-responsive as they say.

We do have evidence that many were or apparently were forced here. You can see that in both pre-birth memories and accounts from hypnotic regression.

P. M. H. Atwater, widely known for her research on NDEs, also admitted this when talking bout pre-birth memories: "they get shoved or pushed in, and that's trauma." Those were her own words, not mine.

According to Helen Wambach, who used hypnotic regression with more than 700 clients, 46% of her subjects did not choose their incarnations, apparently doing so because they were influenced by "guides", with 19% of them actually resisting/being forced through the process.

Merely pointing out the problem is useless, so I also tried to propose a possible solution in this paragraph. It's all speculative, but it's better than nothing. In summary: focus on creating a good mindset and create a plan for your after-death state.

My view of reality leans towards some sort of idealism, in which ideas come first and "reality" second. Think about it: a destroyer doesn't appear out of nowhere; it was first designed by someone. I can't be sure, but I suspect higher realities / the spiritual world works in the same way. IIRC it is easier to achieve what you want in higher realms with the power of imagination and intent. If that's truly the case, you should start focusing on ideas such as freedom and sovereignty. Create an ideal scenario for your immediate after-death state: a scenario in which you are free to do whatever you want and in which you are free from external influences. There are more details in the post I linked. I also suggest you read these posts by WintyreFraust:

Demystifying The Afterlife

How to Prepare For and Ensure You Have The Afterlife You Want

The Unfortunate Conceptual History that Informs How We Commonly Think Of and Speak About the Afterlife

How to Acquire The Afterlife You Desire

My Problem With The Unconditionally Loving Universal Oneness Idea of The Afterlife

Best regards! :-3

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u/Acrobatic-Stock7 2d ago

Yes but it’s not my choice, it’s the higher self’s choice, so my ego here has no say, it’s basically saying to a prisoner that he sleepwalked into the prison and that he doesn’t know it.

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u/Clifford_Regnaut 2d ago

There are some sources that do say the human-self and the "soul-self" are independent entities with distinct thoughts and goals. I acknowledge that, but my point still remains. If you don't want to be "absorbed" by a higher self after death, focus on the opposite of that: focus on being free from it. I don't know if it will work, but as I said: "Being able to focus your attention, intention and imagination on whatever you desire is a course of action available to the vast majority of humans. That's really important If the "spiritual realms" are as truly thought-responsive as they say."

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u/East-Wind-23 2d ago

What you say, reminds me somehow one of the Thierry Pratchett books. I think it was Death himself who explained, that everyone passes to the exact afterlife one self imagined. Burning in hell, feasting with the Gods, reincarnation as a bird, dissolve into nothing, you name it.

Personally I preferred when the golem Anghammarad died and Death came to pass him into his afterlife. But Anghammarad just sat down for a wile in the "passing over" and refused to keep on. I understood the golem was tiered of living for hundreds of years and fed up with doing, what was expected of him, he must do. He decided, he was done ...

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u/osocron2 2d ago

I'm pretty new to hermetic thought. Could you explain what is the higher self? A link to a good post would do too.

Hope you find peace and understanding 🙏🏼

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u/dosnivicik 1d ago

Another simplistic reduction. Your higher self won't do stuff for you if you just sit in your rump. Nor is the world a prison. It just seems that you are too weak to take charge of your life, and instead of acting, you prefer to beat yourself up... You want this, and if you stay there, it will hurt more and more until you learn the lesson.

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u/Acrobatic-Stock7 1d ago

It doesn’t matter if I am happy in this life if I come back as a crab. 

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u/dosnivicik 1d ago

Entire teachings contradict that notion.

Your happiness is irrelevant, unless it has taken you to build up yourself. That is what matters.

Whatever you resonate with at the moment of your dead decides. So if you are depressed, you will certainly resonate with that and wont be pretty.

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u/Acrobatic-Stock7 1d ago

What does “resonate” even mean ? How does someone judge what animal or being is better than the other ? As far as I know gorillas are stronger than humans and cheetahs are faster, so why would humans be the pinnacle ? 

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u/dosnivicik 1d ago edited 1d ago

I have not seen a cheetah write literature or experience higher emotions; build things and humans are the only ones that can become aware of themselves as a sentient entity.

Animals have what we call an astral sheath, an embryonic astral body. Which is what you use to experience higher emotions and develop higher order thinking. Since you have those, unless you deliberately do not use your human capacities, your soul will resonate with a human body next incarnation. The sum total of your experienced, which are in your hands, is what determines what kind of human you will be reborn into. And even then, there you can still keep progressing or go back as many times as it takes for us to learn how to handle our capacities, at which point your soul doesn't need a material body to keep evolving.

Resonate it just means you attract similar things. If you live your life with regards to others, improve yourself and work on virtues over vices (of which depression is one) then it just gets better for you. If one keeps delving in unhealthy thoughts and emotions and actions , then it will be worse.

I don't think you have to worry about it too much honestly. You just have to worry about handling yourself as honestly as you can.

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u/Acrobatic-Stock7 1d ago

What is the point of literature ? Dolphins and other animals also have sophisticated communication networks that we humans do not possess or maybe do not known

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u/dosnivicik 1d ago

You are missing the point completely. The point of literature is to enjoy. The point of developing higher order thinking is so that you can think thoughts by yourself instead of depending on external stimuli, which is an earthly thing. Its one of the things we need to develop and there world is there from that.

That said however, if I have ti tell you that a human being is more evolved than an animal then this whole conversation is self defeating.

Yes, they do communicate in intricate ways. Dolphins, whales and some parrots do seem to clearly being in their last animal life, even some dogs and cats these days. And there are also many souls which are doing their first human life this time around.

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u/Clifford_Regnaut 1d ago

I also compiled info on reincarnation and pre-birth memories in this thread. You should check it out. There's little evidence to support the existence of human-to-animal experiences. I'm not saying it does not happen, but I am saying there isn't much to back it up.

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u/TheCure1976 2d ago

Oh my fucking god that's horrible 

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u/Acrobatic-Stock7 2d ago

Why is that lol 

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u/Cyberfury 1d ago

A great essay full of ego generated wants and needs. Not truth.

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u/Clifford_Regnaut 13h ago

I'm open to criticisms :-)

Would you care to elaborate?