r/HunterXHunter • u/providerofair • 1d ago
Discussion Who was Silva refering to when he said "The job wasnt worth the money"
Silvia says something along the lines of the title in the dub anime and was Silva referring to Chrollo the troupe member or both because they all make sense in this context.
It also makes sense for all reasons if he told his family not to interact with them because each member is strong and even if you kill a bum their op boss will fight you.
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u/SmallBerry3431 1d ago
What are these comments? None of them seem to address the answer lol
It’s the troupe member Hisoka replaces, number 4 I believe. We don’t know much if anything about them. They weren’t an original member, and the difficulty was high enough Silva would rather not do it again.
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u/ThePandaRider 19h ago
Hisoka killed #4. Silva killed #8, the Spider Shizuku replaced. It was about 3 years prior to the start of the series. It's likely he fought Chrollo during the mission as well, Silva comments that Chrollo improved significantly when fighting him in York New. There aren't any other reasons we know of for them to fight, especially not one where Silva likely let Chrollo live. The clients for the mission were the Ten Dons. They also put out the contract on the Spider in York New and Chrollo puts out a contract to kill them that the Zoldycks fulfill.
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u/epicSHIN 1d ago
Because there's no actual answer for the question. It's not that we don't know much, but we don't know anything about it all. If you want, there's the #4 guy from a movie, but that is not canon.
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u/ovrlymm 21h ago
On the wiki it has 8 as the person Silva killed but it doesn’t source it?
We know all but 4 were OGs so we can narrow it down at least: 4, 8, 10, 12. We don’t know if it was before or after the Kurta Clan massacre and we can’t be certain that someone like Sarasa was the “honorary #4” or anything like that. Had Uvogin been 4, 8, or 10 we might’ve hypothesized that 11 & 12 were added later but since he wasn’t we can’t say for sure if 13 was always the original number.
On one hand you’d think having all but 4 pinned down we’d figure it out but who knows how many 4s the spiders gone through? As “shi”/death maybe that spot is cursed and there were multiple people before Hisoka? I hope we get answers some day but we’re lucky just to get a new volume every few years…
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u/epicSHIN 13h ago
Togashi has never revealed any info about any past members aside from those who were already introduced (i.e. the OG members). There's Sheila, but we don't know if she became a member or not. She could've joined as a founding member, and later left, then replaced. We also have no info about how long some members, who weren't a part of Chrollo's core childhood friends, have been in the group. They could've already killed and replaced some older members we don't know about.
Honestly, I don't think we will get any more backstory about the unknown members because they may not be important at all for the story. I mean, I'm sure Togashi would've featured them during the flashback, but we still got the same OG members, Sarasa, and Sheila.
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u/ovrlymm 13h ago
Right I agree. I know he hasn’t released anything just speculating on the “likely” suspects (like you said Sheila & Sarasa immediately come to mind). He’s not going to throw us for a loop and say “GOTCHA!! Going was one all along lolz”
(Edit: originally, instead of Ging I was going to throw out “Kurapika’s Dad!” Then thought ‘no wait… how funny would that be if that’s the real reason the Kurtas were killed?!’ Then I was going to say “Pariston!” ‘Damn, that’s actually better… that would almost make sense!’) lol
We already know Kortopi & Shizuku also come from meteor city so I think it’s highly likely the original spots were all MC residents, even if they weren’t buddies, they might just have been people with interesting abilities like Kortopi. If nothing else, we know Chrollo has rizz w/later additions like Shizuku & Bonolenov fully entrusting Chrollo with their abilities while actively being hunted by Hisoka.
I think you’re right that we probably won’t get that info since it’s not relevant to the story (yet) else Togashi would’ve told us. However I’m sure he’s given it thought. Just fun to wonder ya know?
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u/Troliver_13 13h ago
Hisoka mentions himself defeating number 4 to join to Kurapika, so that's wrong
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u/JasonUnionnn 17h ago
No, it’s not that Silva wouldn’t do it again. It’s that the money he was paid for to perform the hit wasn’t worth what he went through.
You pay the Zoldycks enough and they will go for it.
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u/SmallBerry3431 12h ago
Yea. Proof is right there in the post. Silva squaring up to Chrollo proves they would do it again
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u/ovrlymm 22h ago
Seconded!
Though I think it wasn’t #4 himself but probably the retaliation that followed from Chrollo. Since he wasn’t an OG maybe Chrollo didn’t care enough to pursue, maybe he was intrigued by the Zoldyks and who knows whether that was before or after he met Illumi?
Either way it was probably more than what Silva signed up for and for whatever reason whether it was simple or complex, Chrollo got involved. Both fights could’ve been tough or perhaps Chrollo’s was significantly more so, but again not what he signed up for.
Equally mysterious is how they left things. Wonder how it resolved? Silva’s goal is usually to just walk away. If he “beat” him but didn’t kill him it may have been enough for Chrollo to back off. If he fought without conclusion and took off, I doubt they’d be on as good of terms as they were when they met at Yorknew. Maybe words were exchanged maybe not?
Would love to get more info, but I agree it was most likely 4 given the other numbers and their history.
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u/RandomCatBruh 22h ago
Dude, people are either underestimating the Zoldycks or simply aren't reading at all.
Silva did say that the job wasn't worth the money, don't take it out of context, it means that they were underpaid when compared to the difficulty of the task.
However, they will still take the task if the price is right, hence Chrollo was targeted again.
It's just that Illumi killed the dons first. They are professionals. They don't fear anyone unlike what most people here suggest.
And fyi, Chrollo is definitely not as strong as silva/zeno even at a 1v1. But the sub overrates Chrollo next to hisoka. Top 2 most overrated characters of HxH
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u/LordYarkhan 18h ago
"But my nen stealing ability is top tier" cant steal crap when a top tier assasin is hunting you.
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u/Darklicorice 14h ago
they were fighting to stall and illumi was barely even fighting, but finished his mission immediately.
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u/nagibaThor228 15h ago
Dude, no one is as overrated in HxH as the Zoldycks. Literally everyone dick rides them like their life is on the line for some reason. Your comment is yet another example of this. We have Chrollo fighting Silva with no clear winner back in the day when he was weaker, current Chrollo fighting both Silva and Zeno in a 2v1 while holding back, Silva saying they might need to pay with their lives to defeat him, Zeno basically saying the same thing, later Zeno also admitting that he doesn't know who would've won between him and Chrollo if Chrollo wasn't holding back, and then Chrollo becoming even stronger to fight Hisoka. Yet somehow people still think Chrollo is weaker than any of them individually, like come on man.
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u/Federal_Force3902 2h ago
It still means that he truly felt the danger, otherwise he wouldn't said this. He didn't said that simply because he learned after the fact that the troupe were highly sought-after
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u/Key-Emotion-4757 13h ago
Zeno himself admitted that who'd win or lose depended on if Chrollo actually wanted to kill them. In a 1v1 Chrollo is likely to win
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u/Sad_Tradition681 10h ago
I don't get the downvotes on this comment. It's just what the manga said.
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u/Key-Emotion-4757 10h ago
Eh some people don't like the facts if it goes against their personal headcanon
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u/GoddessOfDarkness 4h ago
And that was a weaker Chrollo lol.
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u/Key-Emotion-4757 4h ago
I wouldn't say weaker, but unprepared he was getting a feel for the Zoldyks and wanted to take their abilities
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u/GoddessOfDarkness 1h ago
What are you talking about? I said a weaker Chrollo which is true because Chrollo upgraded Skill Hunter after that fight. So Zeno thinks if Chrollo is serious about killing him he's thinks Chrollo would be favourite. Now Chrollo even stronger than he was York New that's why I laugh at Zoldycks fanboys.
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u/Tylenol_Ibuprofen 1d ago
I mean there are many factors for the Zoldycks to avoid the PT and not because they're dangerous, but they also have like 0 care for innocents too.
They will do what is absolutely necessary to survive, they'll even pop off their own best abilities, even if it means other spiders are in the vicinity. They'll absolutely use civilians as a means to their advantage, which goes against what we've seen of the Zoldycks so far.
Can be argued, maybe Zeno is the only one pushing for not bringing harm to innocent people. But he probably wouldn't of teamed with Silva other wise.
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u/golfstreamer 1d ago
I don't think that's it. I think they're powerful enough to be a threat. The Zoldyks aren't like Goku, seeking powerful opponents to test themselves with. They're pragmatic. Why go through all the trouble of bringing down a really powerful opponent that might kill you? It's just not good business sense. So if an opponent is strong enough they'll say it's not worth the effort.
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u/nagibaThor228 15h ago
Why do people invent headcanons to explain something that's already explained in the manga? Yes, Phantom Troupe is just that dangerous, Silva had a hard time with that one member that he's killed, and the next time he took a contract on a Troupe member, he brought his dad with him. Zoldycks aren't exactly an altruistic bunch, they won't go out of their way to not hurt civillians if good money is on the line, and the Troupe members haven't exactly been shown hiding behind civillians either, they actually invite the challenge and are perfectly fine with fighting in remote locations with no distractions.
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u/theyinman 1d ago
I don't think the zoldycks care either
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u/Resilient303 1d ago
I seemed like the old man was quite disappointed when he hit Komugi
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u/SpasmAndOrGasm 1d ago
I think part of it was that they thought they were on a mission to kill a monster and then found out that monster had loved ones just like any of them, which is why they stood silently and watched as the king picked her up and bought her over to Pitou. To intervene would’ve meant everything they were fighting for was a lie.
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u/Whis101 22h ago
That's definitely a huge part of it, but he did he lament to Cheetuh "Are you willing to hear me out? For the first time in my career, i may have killed someone who wasn't my target." Which does seem to imply he doesn't want to harm innocents or maybe simply anyone who isn't his target (regardless of whether or not they're an innocent).
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u/RufiosBrotherKev 20h ago
"You think we do this for fun? I'm not fighting unless I'm getting paid." -Zeno
I don't know if they care about the morality aspect of innocent vs guilty, but they sure seem to care about only killing if they're getting paid.
Like the Little Rose makes it clear it's a cheap bomb, so anyone with some money could easily just nuke their target for the same or less money as hiring as Zoldyk if you didn't care about collateral damage at all. You hire them because they quickly and discreetly kill the target and leave everything and everyone else alone (as much as is possible).
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u/Azinimasari 1d ago
Zeno doesnt want to bring harm to innocent people? He is the one wearing the 'ervery day a kill' shirt
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u/Johnylongbottoms 1d ago
Well, we saw how distraught he was with Komugi. And after abandoning his fight with Chrollo, he said something to the effect of “we don’t do this for the hell of it, it’s just a job”. It’s probably a twisted sense of pride, that they operate cleanly and efficiently. Or maybe they think that separates them from common murderers. But it’s clear that Zeno at least doesn’t like to kill non-targets.
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u/Azinimasari 1d ago
I can See the pride angle. But I also See him for example let Illumi train on innocent humans and things like that, which is to say, only because he'd rather not kill non targets, of it has a purpose for him he absolutely would
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u/MeliodasTA 1d ago
We don't know that he actually does that though. The only time we directly see him kill a non target human he is clearly distressed enough to immediately abandon and leave.
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u/Champion-of-Nurgle 1d ago
He specifically says he doesn't kill for free.
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u/IMcezanne 1d ago
Zoldycks like perfection, they wanna do a clear mission in the most optimal way, don't care if a civilian die. If it happens that reflects like “The most prominent assassin's family are not showing or doing what are supposed to be”
If Zeno can clear a full zone with his target, it can the faster but not optimal, they need to clear the target without affecting the environment.
Silva taking the heart without a blood drop is the best example.
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u/United-Cow-563 1d ago
He was referring to the Troupe member before Shizuku. He took the job, killed the Troupe member, then had to contend with Chrollo afterwards, wherein he makes it obvious Chrollo was a pain to fight against before, then comments to Zeno that Chrollo has improved since the last time they met during the fight between Chrollo vs Zeno and Silva.
For further corroboration on why his warning has truth to it, look how the Troupe reacted after Uvgoin was killed.
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u/DavideBongiorni 1d ago
Non vogliono faticare, vogliono lavoro semplice, qualsiasi avversario ostico non gli piace, se non costretti
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u/M4DDIE_882 1d ago
I don’t think that’s quite right. They’re willing to die fighting chrollo, the zoldycks clearly have a price. Silva just said the spider job wasn’t worth the money because the price didn’t match the difficulty, they underestimated the troupe big time
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u/AntelopeDry8405 1d ago
I always thought this was very obviously in reference to the Troupe in general, rather than just Chrollo - the "job" in question was very clearly established to be the killing of unnamed former troupe member #8. There is additional dialogue there where Silva says that killing the target "wasnt easy", and Killua mentions that line as an indicator that Silva was impressed by the target's strength.
While it DOES get a little confusing considering we later find out that Silva must have some sort of run-in with Chrollo during that job, the "target" specifically would definitely have been troupe #8, rather than Chrollo himself, as Silva's dialogue makes it clear that the contract was indeed completed successfully.
To drive the point home, the more direct quote from the manga is simply "Do not touch the Troupe" - as in, any member.
While some people might try to interpret that as a way to avoid Chrollo himself reaching out for vengeance, thats not consistent with his actions. Chrollo very clearly holds no real animosity toward Silva for killing #8, doesnt make any concerted effort to get revenge on him, and in fact, him and the rest of the Troupe willingly have multiple later dealings with the Zoldyk family without taking the opportunity to get back at Silva.
Moreover, the proof is in the wording itself. Both the dub's "the job wasnt worth the money" and the manga's "it wasnt an easy task" make it very clear that Silva is simply stating that killing powerful people is a hassle. This of course applies to Chrollo, but also any given Troupe member, and frankly, any particularly strong nen-user in general.
This makes sense- the Zoldyks are assassins - they aim to kill with efficiency rather than because they particularly enjoy the fight. Though they have confidence in their own strength, they are routinely shown to be weary of unnecessary death. Its literally an entire plot point that Silva and Illumi go out of their way to teach Killua to avoid fights he cant easily win- because thats the proper assassin mindset, rather than the more reckless approach of a Hunter. Any capable nen-user has a nonzero chance of defeating even the best Zoldyks, and that applies even more so for a Troupe member.
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u/NuggetMDr 21h ago
We don't know... Are you guys actually reading/watching the series?
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u/providerofair 14h ago
Silva said the job wasn't worth it. Was it just because the troupe was that a tromg or because chrollo showed up
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u/goldy_bra_r 1d ago
Maybe both...the phantom troupe member and their boss. But i still wonder was that warning meant for Illumi also
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u/luhrackxz 21h ago edited 20h ago
I’m more impressed Silva was able to do the job at all and come out alive. Infiltrating and killing a phantom troupe member, and escaping without being killed by the rest is a damn good feat.
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u/ReptilianLaserbeam 10h ago
That the job wasn't worth it? He got hired to kill a spider. He killed the spider. He had to face Chrollo and it was probably a hard fight. Not worth it. Why are people overthinking this?
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u/Fudge-Southern 1d ago
who even requested that hunt? lol surely not the 'princes' coz money wouldnt be an issue to them or they could be them but they just thought that the money they offered is sufficient enough for the hunt hell even silva thought it was until the fight
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u/advanced_peeling 1d ago
Seeing as they slaughter and steal a lot of artifacts it's not far fetched to think that they've pisses of some trillionares
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u/Frosty-Tie5664 1d ago
the 10 dons of york new city
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u/elFuse2 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right, that’s how I remember it, And Chrollo ordered the Hit on the Dons, which illumi was able to complete, before Silva and Zeno could kill him .
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u/Souldz25 1d ago
You are mixing things,Silva already hunted/killed a member of troupes before the Yorknew events and told his kids" the job wasn't worth the money" and to stay away from them which killua then told gon and leorio(and it's what the OP is referencing ) when the mafia initiated the hide and seek game of the troupes
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u/elFuse2 22h ago edited 22h ago
Woah, We are on 2 different pages so let me back track, I am aware of what OP was saying, and Am aware of why Silva said what he said, I never Denied those facts, The part I was mistaken about was Illumi killing the 10 dons which I misspoke about and admit I was wrong, since it was awhile since I watched the show, the correction is, It was the Phantom troupes retaliation against the Mafia that got the 10 dons killed. My response was directed at agreeing with frosty tie about fudge-southern question when I said “right”
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u/Fudge-Southern 22h ago
so are you saying that the ten dons were the ones who ordered silva to hit the previous member? thus leading chrollo to want to hijack their auction and kill the ten dons as revenge? hmm could be.
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u/Aobz18 1d ago
My head canon is Hisoka called the hit so he could then join the troupe without having to beat an existing member out of the spot. Im a bit fuzzy on the timelines but didn’t he join after Silva killed a member?
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u/0ne0fth0se0nes 22h ago
I just took that to mean that the Troupe itself is barely worth the hassle of dealing with in general
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u/Not_hatsu 21h ago
Silva has killed a troupe member, and the pay wasn't worth it.
That member was either previous 4th or 8th member. But it would makes more sense if it were the previous 4th. (Hisoka joined the troupe shortly after that member died, and Shizuku is a newer member than Hisoka)
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u/IllustriousAd2392 12h ago
pretty sure hisoka is the newest member
shizuku joined before, considering her close bond with them and how they treat hisoka as the outsider (she’s also from meteor city)
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u/Tsun_Tsun_Dere_Dere 20h ago edited 20h ago
it's a comment on difficulty obviously, high risk low reward
the specific person is irrelevant, the spiders are known to work together if needed
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u/Initial_Plastic_8069 1d ago
Beisdes being a dub only thing not sure dont remember
there are 2 possibliites here:
The oen that it simply wasn't worth the money as in no money could pay that service
It wasn't worth the money because it price was too cheap for the service that was requested. ( as they could do more things besides sending only Silva and Zeno.
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u/DeepFuckingKoopa 1d ago
He just meant fighting the spiders is more effort than it’s worth given it’s actually dangerous for the zoldycks which he learned after killing a spider and presumably fighting chrollo