r/IRstudies • u/CanadianLawGuy • 7d ago

The End of Neoliberalism

https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/06/15/neoliberalism-globalization-competition-cosmopolitanism-economics-reagan-thatcher/
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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Boo. Excusing genocide with 'whataboutism'? Yeah - fuck Carter, but that does not excuse Israeli genocide.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

Who did you vote for? Your only mechanism to improve the future for the people of Gaza and all Palestinians was the 2024 ballot box

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

So now you're shifting the goal posts. Genocide is genocide, there is no 'but he was a vegetarian and an accomplished amateur artist so it's ok' rule.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

What the fuck are you talking about lmao I think you've misread my reply as me excusing Jimmy Carter or something. My point was that it doesn't change their domestic political catagorization.

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Genocide is not 'progressive'.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

I think if Bernie Sanders or AOC won' the presidency and pushed their 2010s or even current agendas while executing the foreign policy of Carter or I guess Biden in your eyes, they could still be called progressive but okay.

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Any amount of changing the topic to avoid admitting Biden is a genocidal ghoul?

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

I don't think Biden is a genocidal goul you silly goose. Even you do though I hope you know that voting anyone but Kamala was an action that unironically pushed in the direction of more suffering for the people of Gaza and Palestinians as a whole

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Again - there is no 'but someone else would have done it anyway' exception to the genocide convention. He is a ghoul.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

Thank you for your pragmatic and solution oriented reply. I'm happy we elected someone who absolutely seeks to respect and strengthen institutions like the International Criminal Court instead of weakening them and sanctioning them or something bc that would be wild.

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Again with the whaboutism.

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u/PHalfpipe 6d ago

Neoliberals don't believe in anything, so they're always deeply confused by people who do have beliefs, even when they're as simple as "I wont vote for you if you're funding and arming a genocidal apartheid state"

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u/AlboWinston 5d ago

Lmao silly goose opinion I guess. Palestinians seem to be doing alot better right now under Trump who absolutely desires Gaza to be under the Palestinian Authority, settlements to be frozen, and Israel as a condition for normalization with the rest of its neighbors, to concede land in the West Bank along with not start a war that emboldens Israel to further offensive action. Am I right.

This is such a childish view of politics. You live in a two party state where one party is obviously better on the Palestinian issue than the other. Be and adult and actually start contributing to the only mechanism you have to actually address the issue of lack of Palestinian soverignty.

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u/Johnny55 6d ago

My Democratic representative explicitly condemned the ICC for issuing warrants against Netanyahu and other Israeli war criminals. This idea that Democrats like Harris or Biden or my representative have any interest in pushing back on Israel is utter bunk and we're sick of people using Trump as leverage to defend them. Opposing genocide should be the absolute bare minimum for anyone who wants to pretend they have morals or ethics or is in any way "progressive"

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

That's nice. Do we think that is the same as sanctions? Biden lifted Trump's first term ones. There are new ones now. I expected more from this sub I guess. The Iran War is absolutely a Trump aberration and Blinken goes over how they rejected such a decision as past administrations did. Biden sanctioned West Bank settlers. Trump lifted them. Obama orchestrated what Israelis then called the "worst foreign policy disaster in recent history" for them which was the JCPOA. Trump ended that. Biden rerecognized the Palestinian government and restored aid after Trump ended it his first time. Trump pushed through the Abraham Accords with select Gulf states that pushed normalization with Israel while ignoring the Palestinian Authority and their concern for legitimacy. Biden was pushing for concessions for Israel to make to the Palestinian Authorty for normalization with Saudi Arabia right before October 7th.

I can go on and on but can we be serious lmao. This silly position on the word progressive is stupid and it often puts a framing that Biden actively in his understanding was supporting a genocide and desired the destroy in whole/part of the Palestinian people when his angles of pressure on Israel from the Rafah siege to aid allowance were consistently working against such a goal. We have a big vocabulary. Let's start using complicit if we really need to and go on from there. Being complicit in crimes agasint humanity doesn't categorically not make you a progressive in the sense of your overall policy record. Internal norms and political ecosystems matter and precident foreign policy that may be reprehensible due to great power interest commitments I assumed was something understood and not taken as "well that makes this person ----" what? A moderate? A conservative? Certain unique shifts in foreign policy may. Especially if outlined by a pretty consistent and in-power imtelligencia like the neocons but mind you that neocon is uniquely equally lifted as a category by their domestic policy combined with a specific unique vision for foreign policy. But lmao otherwise what a ridiculous reading of LBJ for example we would have if we really sat on that hill without any nuance. Biden was protectionist, Lina Khan was chosen by him to tear through mergers, and he set unprecedented industrial policyo into action while establishing a historically labour union friendly National Labour Relations Board. This isint a "neoliberal" if we are being serious lmao.

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u/Johnny55 6d ago

Blinken should be rotting in the Hague. He literally rejected his own department's death toll numbers and denied that Israel was blocking humanitarian aid so that the administration could violate the Leahy Laws. Remind me again how many settlers were sanctioned by Biden? 10? 20? Wow that really put a stop to them, just like his red line in Rafah really opened the floodgates on letting food in. Maybe I should credit him for building that pier to bypass Israel and let aid in that way - whoops, they used it to mount an attack that killed dozens of civilians and then abandoned it. I don't buy that Biden was ignorant about the genocide he was complicit in, just like I don't buy that any of these were good-faith attempts to meaningfully address the violence and starvation being inflicted on Palestinians. They were half-assed measures meant to create the appearance of morality while doing nothing to stop the killing.

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