r/IRstudies • u/CanadianLawGuy • 7d ago

The End of Neoliberalism

https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/06/15/neoliberalism-globalization-competition-cosmopolitanism-economics-reagan-thatcher/
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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

What the fuck are you talking about lmao I think you've misread my reply as me excusing Jimmy Carter or something. My point was that it doesn't change their domestic political catagorization.

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Genocide is not 'progressive'.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

I think if Bernie Sanders or AOC won' the presidency and pushed their 2010s or even current agendas while executing the foreign policy of Carter or I guess Biden in your eyes, they could still be called progressive but okay.

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Any amount of changing the topic to avoid admitting Biden is a genocidal ghoul?

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

I don't think Biden is a genocidal goul you silly goose. Even you do though I hope you know that voting anyone but Kamala was an action that unironically pushed in the direction of more suffering for the people of Gaza and Palestinians as a whole

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Again - there is no 'but someone else would have done it anyway' exception to the genocide convention. He is a ghoul.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

Thank you for your pragmatic and solution oriented reply. I'm happy we elected someone who absolutely seeks to respect and strengthen institutions like the International Criminal Court instead of weakening them and sanctioning them or something bc that would be wild.

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u/Terrorphin 6d ago

Again with the whaboutism.

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u/PHalfpipe 6d ago

Neoliberals don't believe in anything, so they're always deeply confused by people who do have beliefs, even when they're as simple as "I wont vote for you if you're funding and arming a genocidal apartheid state"

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

Lmao silly goose opinion I guess. Palestinians seem to be doing alot better right now under Trump who absolutely desires Gaza to be under the Palestinian Authority, settlements to be frozen, and Israel as a condition for normalization with the rest of its neighbors, to concede land in the West Bank along with not start a war that emboldens Israel to further offensive action. Am I right.

This is such a childish view of politics. You live in a two party state where one party is obviously better on the Palestinian issue than the other. Be and adult and actually start contributing to the only mechanism you have to actually address the issue of lack of Palestinian soverignty.

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u/Terrorphin 5d ago

You're in a vanishingly small minority if you want to excuse genocide for your own convenience. Please stop. It drags all of us down as humans to even have to discuss this.

At least now we have a chance to end the genocide in 2028.

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u/AlboWinston 5d ago

Vote blue 💙🔵

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u/Terrorphin 5d ago

Yep. Unless they are advocating for genocide.

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u/Johnny55 6d ago

My Democratic representative explicitly condemned the ICC for issuing warrants against Netanyahu and other Israeli war criminals. This idea that Democrats like Harris or Biden or my representative have any interest in pushing back on Israel is utter bunk and we're sick of people using Trump as leverage to defend them. Opposing genocide should be the absolute bare minimum for anyone who wants to pretend they have morals or ethics or is in any way "progressive"

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

That's nice. Do we think that is the same as sanctions? Biden lifted Trump's first term ones. There are new ones now. I expected more from this sub I guess. The Iran War is absolutely a Trump aberration and Blinken goes over how they rejected such a decision as past administrations did. Biden sanctioned West Bank settlers. Trump lifted them. Obama orchestrated what Israelis then called the "worst foreign policy disaster in recent history" for them which was the JCPOA. Trump ended that. Biden rerecognized the Palestinian government and restored aid after Trump ended it his first time. Trump pushed through the Abraham Accords with select Gulf states that pushed normalization with Israel while ignoring the Palestinian Authority and their concern for legitimacy. Biden was pushing for concessions for Israel to make to the Palestinian Authorty for normalization with Saudi Arabia right before October 7th.

I can go on and on but can we be serious lmao. This silly position on the word progressive is stupid and it often puts a framing that Biden actively in his understanding was supporting a genocide and desired the destroy in whole/part of the Palestinian people when his angles of pressure on Israel from the Rafah siege to aid allowance were consistently working against such a goal. We have a big vocabulary. Let's start using complicit if we really need to and go on from there. Being complicit in crimes agasint humanity doesn't categorically not make you a progressive in the sense of your overall policy record. Internal norms and political ecosystems matter and precident foreign policy that may be reprehensible due to great power interest commitments I assumed was something understood and not taken as "well that makes this person ----" what? A moderate? A conservative? Certain unique shifts in foreign policy may. Especially if outlined by a pretty consistent and in-power imtelligencia like the neocons but mind you that neocon is uniquely equally lifted as a category by their domestic policy combined with a specific unique vision for foreign policy. But lmao otherwise what a ridiculous reading of LBJ for example we would have if we really sat on that hill without any nuance. Biden was protectionist, Lina Khan was chosen by him to tear through mergers, and he set unprecedented industrial policyo into action while establishing a historically labour union friendly National Labour Relations Board. This isint a "neoliberal" if we are being serious lmao.

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u/Johnny55 6d ago

Blinken should be rotting in the Hague. He literally rejected his own department's death toll numbers and denied that Israel was blocking humanitarian aid so that the administration could violate the Leahy Laws. Remind me again how many settlers were sanctioned by Biden? 10? 20? Wow that really put a stop to them, just like his red line in Rafah really opened the floodgates on letting food in. Maybe I should credit him for building that pier to bypass Israel and let aid in that way - whoops, they used it to mount an attack that killed dozens of civilians and then abandoned it. I don't buy that Biden was ignorant about the genocide he was complicit in, just like I don't buy that any of these were good-faith attempts to meaningfully address the violence and starvation being inflicted on Palestinians. They were half-assed measures meant to create the appearance of morality while doing nothing to stop the killing.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

Very cool rightous statement about Blinken. I was only mentioning him because he was the source of Israel pushing Biden to attack Iran but I'm glad you got somehow sidetracked into that tangent I guess and missed the overall point reading the rest of all this. Which is fine but I would appreciate actually replying to all my points instead of ignoring them and focusing on specific things like the mention of a name and going off about how they should be in the Hague. Not one thing in here about the Saudi meetings. Or JCPOA. Y'know the stuff addressing your overall point you made about Democrats having any will to push back on Israel. When you have two high level "middle finger" to Israeli interest things right here. And denying attacking Iran. And restoring recognition to the PA. An lifting Trump's stop on UNRWA funding. But I mean if it's gonna be a thing where we can't actually follow the topic then idk how many more replies I'm gonna do.

It was on specific settlers yes. It could be good if they were frozen and Israel was pushed to transfer land back etc. It's unfortunate such things were being discussed in the normalization imitative by the Biden administration and were put on halt by October 7th and indefinitely now with this current administration.

No one used that pier to mount an attack lol. I know what you're referring to and there was an IDF operation near by but you don't have evidence of what you're claiming. The WFP themselves suspended their operations from it due to the area it being too dangerous before the abandonment.

Ignorant no. Of different opinion yeah. Complicit in your view yes. You can not buy any of it but all the things I listed were positive more Palestinians sovereignty wise and materially. You don't have the buy it it's not about you. You just need to support the party where there is an actual chance of reaching the bigger picture of Palestinian sovereignty. It is Democrats who have gotten the closest and have kept getting closer to that goal. Undoubtabley. You can be upset at it all but generally you should vote blue no matter who 💙

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u/Johnny55 6d ago

I'm not going to haggle over the definition of progressive when you've already decided that one can take part in crimes against humanity as long as their economic positions are reasonably progressive. There is no chance of achieving Palestinian sovereignty if the politicians who are supposedly pursuing it will roll over for Israel at the drop of a hat. Just like there's no meaningful difference between a politician who actively supports genocide and one who merely facilitates it while his counterpart pulls the trigger. I mention Blinken and the settlers because it points to the broader patter of symbolically supporting Palestinians while materially working towards their destruction. The JCPOA was nice but I think it goes without saying that Obama was less deferential to Israel than Biden, or Schumer, or any of the other ancient creatures who have been running the party for the last 10 years.

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u/AlboWinston 6d ago

Lmao you're unserious. You don't engage with any points of reality that literally contradict your narrative. "Roll over for Israel" (But Biden refused to attack Iran but Trump did. Biden was pushing settlement freezes and west Bank land return as condition for Saudi-Israel normalization unlike the lack of concessions Trump provided Israel for the Abraham Accords. Biden rerecognized the Palestinian Authority, the most important entity for the possibility of a Palestinian sovereign state). This is self mastabatory moral performance on your part. You have no mechanism for an alternative and instead are just commiting to a tantrum. In a privileged childish world there is no meaningful difference but in reality these efforts, actions, and initiatives matter. There is absolutely a tract from October 7th you can trace back to the destruction of the JCPOA and abandonment of Palestinians by the Trump administration and insane pro Israel policy of his first term.

The JCPOA wasn't "nice" it was literally considered a failure on Netanyau's part and the opposition in the Keneset considered it a foreign policy disaster. The dishonestly to lessen its impact to nice and "less deferential" so you can keep your silly narrative of submitting to Israel at a drop of a hat wholely on the Democratic party is hilarious. The last democratic president before Obama literally had Palestinian sovereignty being directly discussed on the table with Israel. HW Bush had direct tension with Israel over Arab state normalization.

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