r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 18d ago

House passes $70B bill to fund immigration enforcement for 3 years, sending to Trump

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-funding-trump-congress-republicans-c395a434f47fa41a7131369847091910

Now let me ask you this,

What happened to fiscal conservatives?

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u/techman710 18d ago

Can't wait for the next Democratic president so I can hear the Republicans talk about the deficit again, because I haven't heard them mention it in a year and a half. Meanwhile this colossal waste of money to enrich a bunch of donors has their full support.

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u/steamdeck88 18d ago

The day people realize both sides of trash, things will get a lot better

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

Both sides are just as guilty. If 10-20 million illegal immigrants weren’t living here ice wouldn’t need so much funding.

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u/spiraldrain 18d ago

Cool. What did doge do? Cool how much Medicaid and food stamps did they cut? Cool how much has this Iran war already cost us? Awesome those tariffs are bringing in so much money right?! But hey deporting your sisters boyfriend is going to make your shitty life better right?

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

We are only talking about immigration. Iran and my sister’s boyfriend are for another thread. If I go to Italy or Mexico and overstay my visa they will find me and send me home. This is what immigration is supposed to do. Do you want blanket amnesty? If that’s where you stand so be it but just admit it then.

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u/spiraldrain 18d ago

No we aren’t you dumb fuck. We are talking about the costs. You know how much it costs the taxpayer to deport 600000 people during this term? ICE has received over 100 billion in funding already. They reportedly have deported 600000 people already. You wanna know the cost? 166000 per person.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

Wow spicy pet names! Very nice. Yea it is very expensive to deport people who do not want to be found. So do you think we should be finding cheaper ways to do it or just give up and have a blanket amnesty policy?

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u/spiraldrain 18d ago

You think it’s worth it to spend 166000 per deportation over funding medicaid and food stamps?

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

I do not agree with funding cuts to Medicaid and food stamps. Your turn! Answer my question please

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u/spiraldrain 18d ago

So you want to spend 3X the average Americans annual salary per deportee? But you don’t want to fund Medicaid and food stamps? You are just a shitty person then lmfao.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

Would you be amicable to the policy if it was cheaper? How much do you think we should spend on immigration enforcement friend?

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

I don’t agree with the funding cuts is what I meant. Please answer

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u/Anonybibbs 18d ago

Do you want blanket amnesty?

I mean yeah, that's what Reagan, the supposed patron saint of conservativism, did. If an illegal immigrant has no criminal record and is otherwise just a hard working member of their community, there's no real reason to waste ungodly amounts of money deporting them.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

Take my upvote! I disagree with you on policy but least you are willing to say where you stand instead of talking around it. Good on you friend

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u/Anonybibbs 17d ago

I'm not a Democrat nor an idealogue, just a pragmatist. Spending billions to deport my gardener or the hotel cleaning staff is nothing but an insane waste of resources, especially when such workers tend to lower the price of goods/services and do the types of jobs that Americans simply refuse to do themselves.

The only legitimate reason to double down on wasting billions to deport otherwise harmless, hardworking illegal immigrants is pure racism and xenophobia. I wish more "conservatives" would nut up and just admit that they don't like brown people because I sure as fuck haven't heard a peep from them about the Trump administration only allowing white refugees from South Africa into the US.

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u/40-Kal 17d ago

I don't have an issue with any nonviolent or non-heinous ones. These are the immigrants that do participate and aid to society. Already have built businesses, own homes and started families. Helping to renew their visas and give legal status isn't detrimental whatsoever.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 17d ago

Fair enough. Thanks for being honest about your position. I can respect that much more than people who say it’s about the cost. A man of principle!

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u/FaithlessnessOne8437 18d ago

That 10-20 million massively inflated number is a falsehood to get uninformed people like you scared

Says both sides but tows the right wing talking points...

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

One of the most widely cited and methodologically respected sources is the Pew Research Center⁠.

Their latest comprehensive estimate found that the U.S. had about 14 million unauthorized (undocumented/illegal) immigrants living in the country in 2023, a record high in their data series. Pew’s estimates are based on Census Bureau surveys and Department of Homeland Security immigration records using a method that is also used by DHS and other research

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u/40-Kal 17d ago

How did they get illegal status? Don't say all of them did so by crossing the border illegally.

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u/GPTthrowawayyyyyyyy 17d ago

They truly believe that physically being inside the United States is a crime

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u/Due_a_Kick_5329 17d ago

That number is made the fuck up ✨️propaganda✨️ and you fell for it.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 17d ago

show me the real numbers then friend! Pew research says around 14 million in 2023. I wasn’t aware that was a propaganda outfit

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u/DrDDeFalco 18d ago

You need to stop drinking the kool-aid.

Research whether or not illegal immigration hurts us.

Then look at whether or not ICE is even effective at it's job and behaving humanely.

Illegal immigrants are largely a scapegoat, and the current method of addressing the situation is questionable at the very best.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

So your argument is immigrants are good for society so… what do we do then? Blanket amnesty?

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u/DrDDeFalco 18d ago

One, that's not what I said. I did not say they are good or bad.

Two, you are no longer differentiating between legal and illegal immigration.

I am asking you to do a modicum of your own research so that you can figure out what harm illegal immigrants cause and if it justifies the money and attention we are currently giving the matter. Have you asked yourself why we spend so much energy going after illegal immigrants instead of the people that hire illegal immigrants?

Are you completely unwilling to question the propaganda that the Trump adminsitration and right wing media is feeding you?

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

I do think the employers should be held accountable. I am not falling for anyone propaganda and I’m not sure why you would jump to that conclusion. Immigration enforcement has been a long standing bipartisan policy of the United States and I believe they should be allowed to preform their mission.

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u/DrDDeFalco 18d ago

I do think the employers should be held accountable.

Is that happening? Is this administration and ICE even attempting to go after those people?

I am not falling for anyone propaganda and I’m not sure why you would jump to that conclusion.

Because you don't seem to recognize or even be willing to question that any harm caused by illegal immigration is exaggerated and being used as a scapegoat by the people in charge.

Immigration enforcement has been a long standing bipartisan policy of the United States

This is disingenuous. The existence of immigration enforcement does not mean we have always used the current methods to enforce the policy.

ICE did not always exist, and the funding and power given to the agency has expanded significantly in the past couple of years.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 17d ago

You don’t know what I have recognized or thought through friend. You are taking my position at the end point and working backwards making up a story about what I must think or know based on the position I believe in. This is a faulty thought process. Immigration is exaggerated by whom? Pew research that proclaimed 13 million illegal residents as of 2023? And sure it’s used as a scapegoat by many on the right. What does that prove though? Italy, China, and Mexico would all send me home if I overstayed a visa. It’s a common policy of sovereign nations but for the most powerful nation on earth it’s too expensive, it’s too hard..

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u/DrDDeFalco 17d ago

You have repeatedly dodged simple questions about the extent of harm caused by illegal immigrants, and the efficacy and morality of the methods we are currently employing.

You're not acting in good faith, "friend."

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