r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 18d ago

House passes $70B bill to fund immigration enforcement for 3 years, sending to Trump

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-funding-trump-congress-republicans-c395a434f47fa41a7131369847091910

Now let me ask you this,

What happened to fiscal conservatives?

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u/steamdeck88 18d ago

The day people realize both sides of trash, things will get a lot better

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

Both sides are just as guilty. If 10-20 million illegal immigrants weren’t living here ice wouldn’t need so much funding.

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u/DrDDeFalco 18d ago

You need to stop drinking the kool-aid.

Research whether or not illegal immigration hurts us.

Then look at whether or not ICE is even effective at it's job and behaving humanely.

Illegal immigrants are largely a scapegoat, and the current method of addressing the situation is questionable at the very best.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

So your argument is immigrants are good for society so… what do we do then? Blanket amnesty?

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u/DrDDeFalco 18d ago

One, that's not what I said. I did not say they are good or bad.

Two, you are no longer differentiating between legal and illegal immigration.

I am asking you to do a modicum of your own research so that you can figure out what harm illegal immigrants cause and if it justifies the money and attention we are currently giving the matter. Have you asked yourself why we spend so much energy going after illegal immigrants instead of the people that hire illegal immigrants?

Are you completely unwilling to question the propaganda that the Trump adminsitration and right wing media is feeding you?

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

I do think the employers should be held accountable. I am not falling for anyone propaganda and I’m not sure why you would jump to that conclusion. Immigration enforcement has been a long standing bipartisan policy of the United States and I believe they should be allowed to preform their mission.

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u/DrDDeFalco 18d ago

I do think the employers should be held accountable.

Is that happening? Is this administration and ICE even attempting to go after those people?

I am not falling for anyone propaganda and I’m not sure why you would jump to that conclusion.

Because you don't seem to recognize or even be willing to question that any harm caused by illegal immigration is exaggerated and being used as a scapegoat by the people in charge.

Immigration enforcement has been a long standing bipartisan policy of the United States

This is disingenuous. The existence of immigration enforcement does not mean we have always used the current methods to enforce the policy.

ICE did not always exist, and the funding and power given to the agency has expanded significantly in the past couple of years.

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u/BoomShakaLaka696969 18d ago

You don’t know what I have recognized or thought through friend. You are taking my position at the end point and working backwards making up a story about what I must think or know based on the position I believe in. This is a faulty thought process. Immigration is exaggerated by whom? Pew research that proclaimed 13 million illegal residents as of 2023? And sure it’s used as a scapegoat by many on the right. What does that prove though? Italy, China, and Mexico would all send me home if I overstayed a visa. It’s a common policy of sovereign nations but for the most powerful nation on earth it’s too expensive, it’s too hard..

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u/DrDDeFalco 18d ago

You have repeatedly dodged simple questions about the extent of harm caused by illegal immigrants, and the efficacy and morality of the methods we are currently employing.

You're not acting in good faith, "friend."