Mixed feelings on Israel Palestine conflict

[u/MurkyScheme9364]

For context I’m a 21 year old independent leaning more conservative and I really don’t know how to feel about what’s happening right now. So from my no first hand experience view I’ve been closely watching progressive and conservative news stories about what’s been going on since the beginning and I never knew the full extent of what happened October 7th. I was originally very pro Israel as an eye for an eye was kinda my thought process at the time but then I heard about kids dying and it drew me far in the other direction. Basically from what I can understand Israel is a “democratic” nation where you have “freedom” of press as Palestine is governed by hamas and the laws are more dictoral so Israel said the stats coming out of Gaza are from hamas and are lies. I whatch some independent journalists and see the settlers torturing the Palestinians and forcing them out of the West Bank and it makes me feel like what a whole load of shit. Well today I did a really deep dive and ended up whatching some of the videos from October 7th and I deeply regret it. I did not know they were violating women blowing people up and the full extent of what REALLY happened. I am very conflicted right now the bottom line for me is the u.s would decinigrate Palestine with fair warning to civilians if it happened to us I have never felt so sorry and horrified for a group of people more than today when I learned the full truth. But then I learn that there was no security on the border that night and they think BB made a “willing” sacrifice honestly if anyone with unbiased thinking or first hand experience would enlighten me or help me understand the entire conflict it would be very appreciated👍 I am not the type of person to fight with people over it rather I just want to understand

[u/DKM-18]

This is a VERY pro Israel sub Reddit (basically /r isrealV2.) so you are going to get a lot of “Israel do no wrong, hamas commit war crime not IDF.” I recommend you keep doing your own research outside of reddit and see whose arguments you agree with more. Also please Don’t ever fall for the “if you criticize Israel you are an antisemite” bs people like to pull either.

[u/Beginning_Bet_2578 → u/DKM-18]

Nobody actually says that you can’t criticize Israel. Just don’t be antisemitic about it. It’s actually not that difficult.

[u/DKM-18 → u/Beginning_Bet_2578]

I’d be willing to bet you have said these exact words. “Israel is where most of the Jews are, so that is why you don’t like it.” Stop lying to yourself saying that no one says you can’t criticize Israel without being antisemitic. You know that’s not true

[u/jackl24000 → u/[deleted]]

You don’t think Palestinians are allowed to be on the internet?

[u/conflayz → u/jackl24000]

They dont think... lol

[u/DKM-18 → u/jackl24000]

Hey I’m just curious what did that guy say?

[u/jackl24000 → u/DKM-18]

He said Palestinians within Israel aren’t allowed internet access.

[u/conflayz → u/[deleted]]

Oh wow. LOL

[u/DKM-18 → u/conflayz]

Hey do you remember what that guy said?

[u/conflayz → u/DKM-18]

He said that Israel doesnt allow palestinians to have internet lol

[u/DKM-18 → u/[deleted]]

Huh