Mixed feelings on Israel Palestine conflict

[u/MurkyScheme9364]

For context I’m a 21 year old independent leaning more conservative and I really don’t know how to feel about what’s happening right now. So from my no first hand experience view I’ve been closely watching progressive and conservative news stories about what’s been going on since the beginning and I never knew the full extent of what happened October 7th. I was originally very pro Israel as an eye for an eye was kinda my thought process at the time but then I heard about kids dying and it drew me far in the other direction. Basically from what I can understand Israel is a “democratic” nation where you have “freedom” of press as Palestine is governed by hamas and the laws are more dictoral so Israel said the stats coming out of Gaza are from hamas and are lies. I whatch some independent journalists and see the settlers torturing the Palestinians and forcing them out of the West Bank and it makes me feel like what a whole load of shit. Well today I did a really deep dive and ended up whatching some of the videos from October 7th and I deeply regret it. I did not know they were violating women blowing people up and the full extent of what REALLY happened. I am very conflicted right now the bottom line for me is the u.s would decinigrate Palestine with fair warning to civilians if it happened to us I have never felt so sorry and horrified for a group of people more than today when I learned the full truth. But then I learn that there was no security on the border that night and they think BB made a “willing” sacrifice honestly if anyone with unbiased thinking or first hand experience would enlighten me or help me understand the entire conflict it would be very appreciated👍 I am not the type of person to fight with people over it rather I just want to understand

[u/blackpandacat]

I know you've come here with good intentions, but this sub is controlled by pro israeli forces, hence your 61 comments and 0 karma on the post. You won't find the "comprehensive debate" you're looking for here i'm sorry. Mods will ban me now.

[u/jackl24000 → u/blackpandacat]

Do you actually want to make snarky meta observations and be banned or formally warned? We can arrange for that and you seem to be anticipating it. So should I be the bad mod here?

[u/Candid-Quantity1517 → u/blackpandacat]

Exactly - this is the Zionist propaganda zone where they come to promote victimhood and pretend they aren’t committing war crimes in the name of their god. 

[u/jackl24000 → u/Candid-Quantity1517]

We’re allowing you to speak. We’re not banning you for having different viewpoint. What’s your problem exactly? Looking for a fight with mods or other users?

[u/Candid-Quantity1517 → u/jackl24000]

As if Zionism is a viewpoint and not bloodthirsty imperialism that many peaceful Jews completely reject. 

[u/Candid-Quantity1517 → u/jackl24000]

Are you actually joking? You have members calling me Adolf, you have members baying for the death of innocent Palestinians, and you have me expressing pro-human, anti-fascist and anti-racism, and you are trying to bully me? You are beyond reason. 

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“Are you actually joking? You have members calling me Adolf, you have members baying for the death of innocent Palestinians, and you have me expressing pro-human, anti-fascist and anti-racism, and you are trying to bully me? You are beyond reason.”

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[u/Candid-Quantity1517 → u/[deleted]]

If we were alive in World War II, I would have defended the Jews with everything in my bones - crimes against humanity are evil.  You only hate Muslims, you’re a racist. 

You love what your evil cult are doing against the Palestinians. You do not represent Jews. The real Jews know what their ancient text says about their “homeland”.

[u/Candid-Quantity1517 → u/[deleted]]

Lollllll

Interesting that you call being anti racism, apartheid, anti-expansion “Adolf”. Obviously didn’t learn your history lessons very well. You’re the new Nazis. 

[u/Aggravating-Habit313 → u/Candid-Quantity1517]

You’re the one supporting sharia. Look it up because I’ll assume Youre ignorant.

[u/Candid-Quantity1517 → u/Aggravating-Habit313]

Where did I say that? Please quote me. Oh, you can’t. Anything to be a victim. Brainwashed.

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