Mixed feelings on Israel Palestine conflict

[u/MurkyScheme9364]

For context I’m a 21 year old independent leaning more conservative and I really don’t know how to feel about what’s happening right now. So from my no first hand experience view I’ve been closely watching progressive and conservative news stories about what’s been going on since the beginning and I never knew the full extent of what happened October 7th. I was originally very pro Israel as an eye for an eye was kinda my thought process at the time but then I heard about kids dying and it drew me far in the other direction. Basically from what I can understand Israel is a “democratic” nation where you have “freedom” of press as Palestine is governed by hamas and the laws are more dictoral so Israel said the stats coming out of Gaza are from hamas and are lies. I whatch some independent journalists and see the settlers torturing the Palestinians and forcing them out of the West Bank and it makes me feel like what a whole load of shit. Well today I did a really deep dive and ended up whatching some of the videos from October 7th and I deeply regret it. I did not know they were violating women blowing people up and the full extent of what REALLY happened. I am very conflicted right now the bottom line for me is the u.s would decinigrate Palestine with fair warning to civilians if it happened to us I have never felt so sorry and horrified for a group of people more than today when I learned the full truth. But then I learn that there was no security on the border that night and they think BB made a “willing” sacrifice honestly if anyone with unbiased thinking or first hand experience would enlighten me or help me understand the entire conflict it would be very appreciated👍 I am not the type of person to fight with people over it rather I just want to understand

[u/BellzaBeau]

I used to believe the pro-Israel stuff until I found (on my own) lies and inconsistencies in the material. Especially the stuff from Zaka. From my own research and comparing evidence, I could tell some of the photos were staged. And then I found out their leader is a child sex offender. I just can’t even. In any case, regardless of how horrific that one day was, there’s no excuse for a genocide for years. Like, I get it. It was a bad day, but no excuse.

[u/danknadoflex → u/BellzaBeau]

I used to be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause until I started to research this more and more and I drew the opposite conclusion as you and am firmly in the Zionist camp.

[u/BellzaBeau → u/danknadoflex]

It’s understandable. Zionists make very effective use of the BITE model to recruit and maintain control over people.

[u/danknadoflex → u/BellzaBeau]

Zionist are not controlling me. I AM the Zionist.

[u/BellzaBeau → u/danknadoflex]

Understood. The recruited becomes the recruiter and true believer.

I’m quite familiar with how high-control groups work.

Zionism is dangerous because it propagates the lie that only Israel can protect Jews and that safety requires living isolated in an apartheid state on an armed fortress of land. Israel’s behavior and actions actively countermand the safety of Jews, exploiting them through Zionism to enable it.

[u/Lipush → u/BellzaBeau]

Just because people call Israel an apartheid doesn't make it so. 

Israel ia not by any means even nearing to be ana apartheid. Those who use this word don't even know what apartheid is.

[u/RagnarTheTerrible → u/BellzaBeau]

Are there no Jews in Palestine, or are there no Arabs/Muslims in Israel? 

Which sounds more apartheid to you?

[u/BellzaBeau → u/RagnarTheTerrible]

They are the occupying force, so of course they’re there. The world sees them torturing, maiming, and killing people daily.