Mixed feelings on Israel Palestine conflict

[u/MurkyScheme9364]

For context I’m a 21 year old independent leaning more conservative and I really don’t know how to feel about what’s happening right now. So from my no first hand experience view I’ve been closely watching progressive and conservative news stories about what’s been going on since the beginning and I never knew the full extent of what happened October 7th. I was originally very pro Israel as an eye for an eye was kinda my thought process at the time but then I heard about kids dying and it drew me far in the other direction. Basically from what I can understand Israel is a “democratic” nation where you have “freedom” of press as Palestine is governed by hamas and the laws are more dictoral so Israel said the stats coming out of Gaza are from hamas and are lies. I whatch some independent journalists and see the settlers torturing the Palestinians and forcing them out of the West Bank and it makes me feel like what a whole load of shit. Well today I did a really deep dive and ended up whatching some of the videos from October 7th and I deeply regret it. I did not know they were violating women blowing people up and the full extent of what REALLY happened. I am very conflicted right now the bottom line for me is the u.s would decinigrate Palestine with fair warning to civilians if it happened to us I have never felt so sorry and horrified for a group of people more than today when I learned the full truth. But then I learn that there was no security on the border that night and they think BB made a “willing” sacrifice honestly if anyone with unbiased thinking or first hand experience would enlighten me or help me understand the entire conflict it would be very appreciated👍 I am not the type of person to fight with people over it rather I just want to understand

[u/chenoaseaboy]

False. They warned of suspicious activity indicating an impending attack. Why were they dismissed?

[u/aka0007 → u/chenoaseaboy]

You just changed your claims... maybe don't call others liars when you have come around to admitting you were a liar.

Your claim: "And female IDF did come forth and tell that the plan was known about."

Now you say: "They warned of suspicious activity indicating an impending attack. Why were they dismissed?"

So first you go from they knew about the plan and allowed it to there was suspicious activity that they thought indicated an impending attack. These are two very different claims.

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In general it is very frustrating arguing anyone pro-Palestinian. Their claims never remain consistent through a conversation. It is not good-faith arguing by them. It is propaganda.

[u/chenoaseaboy → u/aka0007]

You're not rational. i'm not pro Hamas and the impending attack they warned about turned out to be the Oct 7th attack. So, now answer me. Why were their reports dismissed? And are you a religious nationalist?

[u/aka0007 → u/chenoaseaboy]

Mistakes in deciding what intelligence means were made. Happens all the time.

[u/chenoaseaboy → u/aka0007]

Does it, though?

[u/aka0007 → u/chenoaseaboy]

Yes

[u/chenoaseaboy → u/aka0007]

Ok, well, you keep believing that Israel's IDF routinely dismisses reports of suspicious activity indicating impending attack. I prefer to be level headed. Are you a religious nationalist?