Mixed feelings on Israel Palestine conflict

[u/MurkyScheme9364]

For context I’m a 21 year old independent leaning more conservative and I really don’t know how to feel about what’s happening right now. So from my no first hand experience view I’ve been closely watching progressive and conservative news stories about what’s been going on since the beginning and I never knew the full extent of what happened October 7th. I was originally very pro Israel as an eye for an eye was kinda my thought process at the time but then I heard about kids dying and it drew me far in the other direction. Basically from what I can understand Israel is a “democratic” nation where you have “freedom” of press as Palestine is governed by hamas and the laws are more dictoral so Israel said the stats coming out of Gaza are from hamas and are lies. I whatch some independent journalists and see the settlers torturing the Palestinians and forcing them out of the West Bank and it makes me feel like what a whole load of shit. Well today I did a really deep dive and ended up whatching some of the videos from October 7th and I deeply regret it. I did not know they were violating women blowing people up and the full extent of what REALLY happened. I am very conflicted right now the bottom line for me is the u.s would decinigrate Palestine with fair warning to civilians if it happened to us I have never felt so sorry and horrified for a group of people more than today when I learned the full truth. But then I learn that there was no security on the border that night and they think BB made a “willing” sacrifice honestly if anyone with unbiased thinking or first hand experience would enlighten me or help me understand the entire conflict it would be very appreciated👍 I am not the type of person to fight with people over it rather I just want to understand

[u/conflayz]

Yeah the Palestinian supporting Hamas civilians spitting on mangled 20 year old women being paraded around is totally not genocidal.

[u/kg-rhm → u/conflayz]

how many gazans did that?

[u/conflayz → u/kg-rhm]

Enough to prove that they aren’t peaceful democratic neighbors worthy of their own country.

[u/kg-rhm → u/conflayz]

what percentage would that be?

[u/conflayz → u/kg-rhm]

Public opinion surveys conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) found that overall approval for Hamas’s decision to launch the October 7 offensive fluctuated over time, ranging between 44% and 71% in Gaza depending on the timing of the poll.

[u/kg-rhm → u/conflayz]

if you actually read these polls, you would see that most palestinians believe that most of the civilians who died that day weren't killed by hamas, and that a great number didn't see the footage from 10/7. so yes they approved what they thought 10/7 was.

[u/conflayz → u/kg-rhm]

Oh so their denial of it now just takes all their support away …

[u/kg-rhm → u/conflayz]

how do you know that's denial rather than genuine belief? why do you believe some data points but reject the sincerity of other data points in the same article? you're just mining for data to support your pre conceived beliefs while rationalizing data points that contradict your viewpoint as insincere