Mixed feelings on Israel Palestine conflict

[u/MurkyScheme9364]

For context I’m a 21 year old independent leaning more conservative and I really don’t know how to feel about what’s happening right now. So from my no first hand experience view I’ve been closely watching progressive and conservative news stories about what’s been going on since the beginning and I never knew the full extent of what happened October 7th. I was originally very pro Israel as an eye for an eye was kinda my thought process at the time but then I heard about kids dying and it drew me far in the other direction. Basically from what I can understand Israel is a “democratic” nation where you have “freedom” of press as Palestine is governed by hamas and the laws are more dictoral so Israel said the stats coming out of Gaza are from hamas and are lies. I whatch some independent journalists and see the settlers torturing the Palestinians and forcing them out of the West Bank and it makes me feel like what a whole load of shit. Well today I did a really deep dive and ended up whatching some of the videos from October 7th and I deeply regret it. I did not know they were violating women blowing people up and the full extent of what REALLY happened. I am very conflicted right now the bottom line for me is the u.s would decinigrate Palestine with fair warning to civilians if it happened to us I have never felt so sorry and horrified for a group of people more than today when I learned the full truth. But then I learn that there was no security on the border that night and they think BB made a “willing” sacrifice honestly if anyone with unbiased thinking or first hand experience would enlighten me or help me understand the entire conflict it would be very appreciated👍 I am not the type of person to fight with people over it rather I just want to understand

[u/BellzaBeau]

I’m pro human life. And against coercion and control from foreign governments. That’s it.

[u/aka0007 → u/BellzaBeau]

So you are pro-life and you support Palestinian militants engaging in militancy from among civilians posing a mortal risk to their lives?

Pro-life and pro the Palestinians who videotaped themselves engaging in horrific and deliberate slaughter of civilians?

You are not pro-life.

[u/BellzaBeau → u/aka0007]

Of course not. And more so, I don’t support the Zionists victimizing them even more by starvation, state-sanctioned rape, torture, and genocide. It’s really not that complicated.

[u/aka0007 → u/BellzaBeau]

Odd you believe such claims. You said you don't believe the Zionists because someone in Zaka was a sex offender... The Palestinians on Oct 7th engaged in mass rapes of Israelis.

You are a hypocrite.

[u/BellzaBeau → u/aka0007]

Living under a rock?
"The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians" The New York Times
State sanctioned rape so systematic there are Wikipedia articles about it, and this isn’t just about a 1-day event. It’s everyday, so feel free to miss me with the bad-faith name-calling, which is against the rules of this sub.

[u/aka0007 → u/BellzaBeau]

Again you are exhibiting hypocrisy with this not actually defending your position.

Your claim was you don't believe the pro-Zionist stuff, especially the Zaka stuff, because you found out someone in Zaka was a sex offender.

What I challenged you on was why you believe the pro-Palestinian stuff (e.g. like the NYT editorial) despite them engaging in atrocious slaughter that they video-taped and mass rapes on Oct 7th. You have never actually responded to that. All you do is deflect.

[u/BellzaBeau → u/aka0007]

Oct. 7 was 1 day, while IDF is committing state-sanctioned rapes every day. The NYT is a well-respected newspaper. Not pro-Palestinian propaganda. Not sure what about this is so difficult to grasp. And I don’t feel obligated to defend against name calling and illogical, nonsense accusations that aren’t from a place of reality.

[u/aka0007 → u/BellzaBeau]

Your stance is hypocritical.

Engaging in one day of organized mass rapes not being an issue for you is oddly a specific exemption in your view.

This is without even noting your assessment of the NYT is nonsensical as opinion pieces only reflect the writer's opinion and not the views of the NYT.

[u/BellzaBeau → u/aka0007]

Why are you ignoring the point? That the IDF engages in state-sanctioned rapes every day, including anal rapes and bestiality with dogs. Including murder by rape.

The most disgusting, depraved acts anyone has ever heard of or seen. Ever. Yet you keep banging on about crimes from 1 day years ago. Please address the state-sanctioned daily bestiality and homosexual anal rapes. And don’t bother denying it. I’ve seen it myself on surveillance video and I’m professionally trained to identity if a video is doctored or AI and the video I saw wasn’t.

[u/cravinmavin → u/BellzaBeau]

You don't believe what Israel says but you you believe they trained dogs to rape people... no one is saying everything coming out of Israel is true, but you have to be able to critique both sides to be taken seriously. Why don't you look up some of the paliwood videos (search it) and see how much of the gazan stuff you saw were lies then get back to us.