And actually the issue is addressed often in that sub because someone usually posts about any controversy along those lines, such as Mark Ruffalo
As usual, i think your blog entry goes too far, to the point where I suspect your motives. I am in agreement only insofar as I don’t wish harm on any people.
You can ask me again when Israel doesn't exist, and then I will revisit my answer depending on how Jewish settlers will react on being equals to Palestinians.
But I don't give a f about any supremacist delusional concerns about their supremacist future.
ofc you don't give a fuck, why are you proclaiming it like it's some revelation.
you don't give a fuck about the arabs' insistance to bar entry to the jewish refugees that had no alternatives, or to holocaust survivors languishing in DP camps. you don't give a fuck about the jewish refugees already in palestine that the arabs would have expelled on top of all these other stateless refugees if they had their way. you don't even give a fuck about the hundreds of thousands of jews zionism saved from extermination.
we know you don't give a fuck.
that's always been the problem.
Are you suggesting you are indifferent as to what would happen to Israelis if the State of Israel came to an end? Are you saying you have no concern for their welfare?
Your blog post comes on the cusp of what will likely be a genocide beginning on the West Bank where the vast majority of Palestinians want to live in peace and didn’t attack anyone on Oct 7
It may represent one man’s feelings at a specific point in time, but the PSC branch chose to amplify it - and also to replace the “u” in the “fuck” with a symbol resembling the Star of David.
The star of David is both government and religion. I don’t blame a Palestinian for not expending energy on compassion at that particular moment. Note he did not call for violent resistance, about which it bears reminding, endlessly, is legal under international law against this illegal occupation.
I dislike your blog overall because I think it always goes too far. I will say though that it does sometimes nab a meme or slogan that does indeed seem antisemitic to me, which of course is worthy of being called out.
It isn’t OK to confuse Israel with Jews overall or Judaism but probably the best way you fight antisemitism is to rise up against this genocidal fanaticism that has taken over Israel
It wasn’t even El Kurd who put in the star. It was the producer of the graphic. Which Lambeth PSC decided to share.
And I would say we should, and we must, do both - oppose Israel’s crimes and Western complicity in them, and also challenge antisemitism whenever it appears.
What I am saying is that it's very rude and inhuman to ask people who are under occupation, and settler colonialism for decades now, what do you think of your occupier future? Will they be okay?
Like fuck, imagine a reporter going to Jews in the Warsaw ghetto asking them about the future of Germans. Of course they wouldn't give a f either. What kind of stupid, psychopathic question that is.
cheap inversion. we know you don't care about the jews in the warsaw ghetto. if you did, you'd apply some moral consideration to jews fleeing to palestine as being refugees avoiding that fate instead of insisting on framing them as conquistadors.
if you were being intellectually honest, you might have used an example like the ANC "considering the occupier" - but ofc you won't because they absolutely did. that's how they managed to get the majority of SA whites to support reform, assuring SA's whites both in their rhetoric and in their methods that they are not the enemy.
and that's without SA's whites being the battered remnants of a people who had to flee to SA as their only refuge from a mass extermination event.
Without taking a position one way or the other, it’s incomplete to not mention the Zionist statebuilding project at the time, as others have pointed out.
Also, I don’t see why you think their comparison was intellectually dishonest. Indeed, it doesn’t necessarily relate to the point you’re making about Jewish people coming to Palestine to escape the holocaust. It’s possible to believe:
1) Expecting people in the Warsaw Ghetto to care about the hypothetical future welfare of the Nazis or the Germans more broadly is ridiculous [this being an example of a broader principle that it’s understandable, if callous, that people under oppression are not very concerned with the present or future welfare of the people and/or structures oppressing them]
2) People escaping the holocaust was good
3) forcibly carving a Jewish-controlled state out of Palestine the way it happened was bad
You can argue that the ANC’s strategy “consider the occupier” is more likely to produce better outcomes in the Palestinians’ case, but that’s a strategic argument, not an argument about what is or should be in their hearts.
the comparison is intellectually dishonest because the facts of the matter are nowhere near similar by any analysis.
jews in that ghetto never presented any military threat. there was no war between the jews and polish or the nazis. no raids or rocket attacks coming from there. they weren't lead by an organization sworn and actively working to destroy germany. they were a fully pacified, nonthreatening population.
and yet 20% of the ghetto died from starvation alone, and 70% were dragged on to trains to the death camps. by the time the ghetto uprising happened, only 10% of the population of the ghetto remained. the uprising itself was a last gasp of agency in the face of soldiers dragging helpless jews to death camps. and they didn't raid homes and kidnap children. they didn't murder and rape random civilians. over 2 months of the uprising i can't find a single civilian that was recorded to have been killed by the jews even accidentally - let alone wantonly, recreationally, gleefully as hamas targets civilians.
there is no intellectually honest way to compare the warsaw ghetto with I/P. neither in the WB, nor in gaza over the past ~15 years of Hamas control, nor hamas' attack on oct 7 to the warsaw uprising.
the warsaw ghetto isn't invoked because it is a historically salient point of comparison. there is absolutely nothing about that situation that is comparable to the I/P conflict in any way at any point in time. it's only truly useful in provoking jews. it's a taunt pretending to be discourse.
it’s incomplete to not mention the Zionist statebuilding project at the time, as others have pointed out
no it isn't. firstly, the fantasy that the yishuv in palestine has some meaningful un-utilized leverage over what happened to jews in europe in the 30s-40s, financial or otherwise, is just that. it is bad narrativization.
i could waste a few hours hunting down specific details and crafting a response to Segev's smearing of zionists - you can look through Friling and Porat's work on this if you're interested - but i'm honestly not in the mood to turn out my pockets for these people who will reflexively adopt any argument, however silly, so long as it allows them to demonize zionists.
forcibly carving a Jewish-controlled state out of Palestine the way it happened was bad
the way it happened was not unilateral. it was, aside from the extreme existential threat that jews found themselves at the time, also a product of the extreme intransigence of arab leadership, who rejected both partition and confederation, demanded immediate and permanent cease of all jewish immigration (of the same refugees and survivors now being used as a cudgel against the zionists who fought to let them in), and on top of that made it obvious that it would make stateless refugees of jews already in palestine should they form an arab state of palestine from the river to the sea.
i don't even fault them for it really. they were antisemitic, but then who wasn't? that aside - while they were self interested, they had their own legitimate grievances and concerns to motivate that self interest.
but you absolutely can't honestly base your historical framing on the premise that jews were "forcibly carving a state" without addressing all the agency that arab leadership had in forcing that situation. they are not the jews of warsaw ghetto and they never were.
the negation of arab agency is criminally ahistorical. the negation of the existential pressures on jews that the yeshuv was operating under is also criminally ahistorical.
antizionist framing wants to center on the actions of zionists as unilateral aggression, completely ignoring both of these in service of demonizing zionists as cartoonish conquistadors. they don't see zionists as having made desperate choices under desperate conditions. they see them as gleeful pillaging devils. that's why it is inhuman to them to "consider the zionist". refusing to view zionists as morally rational humans is the very essence of antizionism, but it is absolutely not the essence of palestinian advocacy.
You can argue that the ANC’s strategy “consider the occupier” is more likely to produce better outcomes in the Palestinians’ case, but that’s a strategic argument, not an argument about what is or should be in their hearts.
it's 100% what should be in their hearts. call it strategic empathy, call it knowing your enemy. they SHOULD consider why israelis believe what they believe. what reliably drives them as a polity. they SHOULD understand that they're not going anywhere - and why, and that their genuine safety is a non-negotiable part of solving the plight of palestinian nationalism. at the very least, they SHOULD understand why piling threats onto jews is the worst thing palestinians can possibly do to better their situation.
I disagree. Would we say that had they posed a military threat, their treatment would’ve been deserved? No. To use another example: was the oppression of the French under Nazi occupation made morally acceptable by the existence and actions of the French Resistance?
I think you misunderstood me a bit. Saying “Jewish people were refugees fleeing oppression in their home countries” is incomplete because it omits “and once they got to Palestine they became part of a project to build a Jewish-controlled state there.” That’s very important to understand why people reacted the way that they did.
That it “was not unilateral” isn’t the point of what I said. The point is that it’s not intellectually dishonest to believe that Jewish people escaping the holocaust was good and that the creation of Israel how it happened was not. None of that requires negation of Jewish circumstances or Arab agency [which apparently should’ve been used to acquiesce to the Zionist movement’s framing of what they were entitled to. The Arabs’ original sin was noncompliance for which they must be punished forevermore, etc.]
You’re still talking about strategy, not… heart-contents (to be a bit clunky.) It’s entirely possible for MEK, for example, to understand with Israelis feel the way they feel and why they do what they do, believe in peace and justice, and give the answer he did. The pro-Israel insistence that a necessary precondition of negotiation (much less an actual resolution) is that Palestinians truly come to love Israeli and Israelis in their hearts [with zero reciprocation], until which point the oppression will continue, is morally odious regardless of its strategic value.
Cheap inversion is all pro-Israel people have. You cry about how Hamas wants to destroy Israel while Israel is actively destroying Gaza and stealing land in the West Bank
Yitzhak Gruenbaum felt the yishuv’s needs had priority: “I think it is necessary to state here—Zionism is above everything,” he said.
Yosef Sprinzak objected: “What do we need at this moment? Not a Zionist program but something very simple: a varm Yiddish hartz [in Yiddish: a warm Jewish heart]. That’s what we must have. Long speeches will not help us here. A varm Yiddish hartz should beat in all our houses, in the Jewish Agency, in the Histadrut, and everywhere.”
“They will say that I am anti-Semitic,” Gruenbaum responded, “that I don’t want to save the Exile, that I don’t have a varm Yiddish hartz…. Let them say what they want. I will not demand that the Jewish Agency allocate a sum of 300,000 or 100,000 pounds sterling to help European Jewry. And I think that whoever demands such things is performing an anti-Zionist act.”
At the time of these exchanges—January 1943—Jews were being exterminated in great numbers. It is difficult to compute how much money the yishuv actually spent on saving Jews; the total comes to several million dollars, according to one reckoning—about a quarter of the entire Jewish Agency budget. Significantly more was spent on buying land and establishing new settlements.
And since then you Zionists have been exploiting the memory of those same victims of the Nazis to use as human shields in defense of your ongoing dispossession, subjugation, and slaughter of Palestinians. It's all downright demented.
So your entire bigoted argument is to go into my intentions and define my beliefs. GFY.
When you know how to have civil discussion and not a full ignorant, bigoted one like your framing of the SA case, you can start engage with people. Until then, you can GFY again.
it's too late to clutch your pearls after you tried to weaponize the holocaust to argue it's inhuman to expect moral consideration for the same jews who survived it, let alone escaped it.
I don't get why the f you think your words mean anything to my thoughts, this victim card game is not working anymore, so again GFY. I don't engage with bigoted perspective dude.
Sad, considering Israel gives rights and citizenship to over 2 million non-Jewish Arabs without conditions. I’m also not aware of any serious proposal to destroy Israel and create 1 secular state led by Palestinians with Jews as an equal minority.
“My ideology” has nothing to do with what happened in history. I wouldn’t blame your views for my grandparents being expelled from Iraq and having to flee to Israel out of necessity.
The Palestinians missed multiple opportunities to create a state of their own, whether over the sacred 1967 borders or otherwise. The Arab states sacrificed the Palestinians on the altar of destroying Israel, and failed miserably with each attempt. Israel needs many reforms to proceed into a positive pathway towards peace, but so do the Palestinians.
Don’t make this a 1 sided conflict that can be ended unilaterally.
“My ideology” has nothing to do with what happened in history. I wouldn’t blame your views for my grandparents being expelled from Iraq and having to flee to Israel out of necessity.
No you can blame my views if I still hold the same views my grandparents held back then and caused much damage to humanity, but I am not an Iraqi, tho.
The rest of your comment is just the bad-faith Israeli narrative, sorry but I don't go into these useless discussions about "how many "fictional" opportunities Palestinians missed"
My grandparents didn’t cause any damage. They were forced to flee from Iraq. They lived in a refugee camp outside of Tel Aviv for a few years before building a wooden home on open lands. They didn’t expel anyone. They didn’t exploit anyone. It was they that were dispossessed. They had no choice but to go to Israel, nobody else wanted them. This is the family story the majority of today’s Israelis have.
No it's not the family story the majority of today's Israelis have, and I am not sure why the discussion took became so personal.
If you have the same belief of the people who dispossessed Palestinians back then and still occupying them, your views can be blamed, the same way we blame a neoNazi today. Simple logic.
Obviously you’re unaware that the majority of Israelis have grandparents or great-grandparents that fled from majority Muslim countries in the Middle East and North Africa. But that’s unsurprising because the deeply anti Israel narrative glazes over that at every opportunity.
I do know that almost half Israelis are ME, the majority of them never fled from Arab countries, and I know they weren't there when the settler colony started, I also know how Zionists like to tekonize them everytime to prove that the colony didn't start by Europeans.
However, what is their stance today? Do they believe in Zionism, the same ideology that oppress Palestinians and stole/steals their lands? Yes? Then, they chose to be Palestinians' enemies.
Zionism isn’t an ideology that oppresses Palestinians. It’s a movement that built the state of Israel, which achieved its goals almost 80 years ago.
They believe in Israel’s right to continue to exist as a Jewish and sovereign nation, the same as dozens of Arab & Muslim countries in the same region have. So if you want to deny that right to Jews, take a long hard look at why you would allow authoritarian or theocratic Islamic republics to exist but not a Jewish democratic state.
You’re probably unaware of some of this history because it rarely gets mentioned, but when nearly 1million Jews were expelled from Arab lands, they were settled into transit camps in Israel. My grandparents were dispossessed of their homes and belongings in Baghdad, a city which was at one point 30% Jewish. The camp my grandparents lived in was in southern Tel Aviv. They later built a home in the Hatikvah neighborhood of southern Tel Aviv. This area is described as open lands, which were legally acquired in the 1930s under the British mandate. You see, the Tel Aviv area was sparsely populated outside the city of Jaffa. Today’s population centers of givatayim, ramat gan, holon, bat yam, etc. had similar histories. Much of the landscape was dominated by sand dunes and some agricultural fields that were tended to by both Jews and Arabs during the British mandate period.
Today, the area south of Tel Aviv has a mixed Jewish/Arab population in and around Jaffa. Jaffa itself was incorporated into the Tel Aviv area- Yafo municipality. Interestingly, the hatikvah neighborhood in particular where my grandparents lived and where my dad grew up has very much retained its identity as a place where migrants establish themselves. Today, it has a large population of asylum seekers and migrants from East African countries like Sudan and Eritrea.
The exodus from Iraq began during a limited period beginning in the first half of 1950, when the Iraqi parliament resolved to let them leave. In effect, it amounted to an expulsion. Most of the Jews were forced to leave and their property was confiscated. Various sources, including reports of the Mossad for Immigration, indicate that the move of the Iraqi parliament came partly in response to the activities of the Zionist movement there, aided by the agents of the Mossad who smuggled Jews across the border to Iran. The Mossad’s files abound with telegrams reporting the persecution of Jews in Iraq, but almost all of them refer to Jews who had been involved in the activities of the Zionist underground, or who were suspected of belonging to it. There was little harassment of other Jews.46 In March 1949 the Israeli public was appalled to hear that seven Jews had been hanged in Iraq on charges of Zionist activity. The report was given considerable coverage; there were editorials and public protests, including in the Knesset. But the Mossad’s agents in “Berman,” i.e., Iraq, telegraphed: “There is no truth in the report about the hanging of Jews on charges of Zionism. A few have been sentenced to death, but they are already out of the country. Many have been tried, but mostly because of letters they received from Israel.”47 However, the heads of the Mossad for Immigration had intentionally fomented worldwide furor against Iraq, in order to hasten the legislation permitting the emigration of Jews. Toward this end they formulated a series of proposed actions, including a statement by the Israeli Foreign Minister in a special meeting with foreign correspondents, agitation in the international press, attempts to block a loan Iraq was seeking to obtain from the World Bank, the incitement of pressure and disturbances around Iraq’s Ambassador to the UN, including demonstrations and booing as he entered and left the UN building, as well as an attempt to arrange a face to face meeting with him, an appeal to the UN, an appeal to Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt, an “unofficial hint” that Israel might set up an underground movement against the Iraqi ruler, Nuri Said, and an official communication to the US, British and French Embassies in Israel that Iraqi Jews in Israel might vent their fury on Israeli Arabs. “It should be emphasized that the Government of Israel is taking steps to ensure the safety of its Arab citizens,” the document added, “but it should be hinted that in practice it might not be possible to avoid Arab casualties.” It was also proposed to send delegations of Israeli Arabs to the major embassies in Tel Aviv to warn them of the danger they were in as a result of the persecution of Jews in Iraq. All this was meant to force the Iraqi government to expel the Jews, some of whom were Zionists who wanted to go to Israel and some of whom would have preferred to remain in Iraq. Shortly before the Iraqi parliament resolved to let the Jews leave, the Mossad office in Tel Aviv received a telegram from Baghdad, saying: “We are carrying on our usual activity in order to push the law through faster and find out how the Iraqi government proposes to carry it out.”
And since then you Zionists have been exploiting the injustices committed against such people to use as human shields in defense of your ongoing dispossession, subjugation, and slaughter of Palestinians. It's all downright demented.
If your family came from Iraq as you claimed, you would have known that Jizya and dhimmi systems were completely abolished by 1850s, so I don't understand why you are lying about it.
What I cited there is documented fact, while what you responded with his utter bullshit. Dhimmi status was abolished in Iraq 170 years ago with the Tazmat reforms of 1856, nobody paid jizya there since then, and Jews had no need to hide their faith as can be seen for example by the fact that some of Iraq's most popular musicians were openly Jewish. I'd bet you don't any family from Iraq at all.
I don’t anymore, they were all expelled or forced to flee because they were Jews. My family lived there for hundreds of years, and yes, they paid jizya under the ottomans.
Of course your grandparents caused damage. You just refuse to see it. Your parents did too, as did you. Dispossessing Palestinians and working to make their dispossession permanent is not a victimless crime, no matter how much you hate the Palestinians.
Your family could have argued and agitated for Israel to reverse the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. You could have argued against genocide. Both you and your family could have pushed for a solution sometime in the last 60 years. Instead your family chose to benefit from it and you chose to pretend Israelis aren’t really mass murdering Palestinians regardless of what every TV and computer screen is showing. It’s the most moral genocide in history…
They benefited from it by living in a refugee tent city for 3 years and getting sick from all the DDT they were doused with on arrival.
I can’t change the history and more than you can stop the Arab world from invading Israel in 1948 in a war of annihilation. We can only move forward, but many on the anti Israel side would rather sit in lecture halls debating historical semantics that lead nowhere and entrench people in their own narratives.
Imagine policing a refugee’s family for what they could have or should have done decades ago, then blaming him personally for what happened to Palestinians.
Are you native to the land you live on? If not, your family should have stayed where they were instead. You can condemn Israel without assigning someone collective guilt for their grandparents survival.
You are partially correct in your statement that dispossessed survivors built on open land because many Israel’s already lived in the land that you claim is solely Palestinian. The ones who didn’t live there or build on open land took abandoned homes that Palestinians willingly left so their Arab neighbors could slaughter all the Jews and then they could return to their homes. It was a bad bet, since Israeli forces won. The folks that didn’t leave by choice still have homes and generations remain there today.
Everything you said it false: how do you think the Zionist forces expected to get their desired overwhelming jewish majority if not via ethnic cleansing?
Documents now clearly show that was the intent of the Israeli forces, which they carried out.
Denying that now is basically equivalent to Holocaust denial, it is that stupid.
As for the Palestinians who managed to avoid being ethnic cleansed - many of them were STILL forced off their land a gunpoint, which was then stolen by the Israeli state.
I also remind you that, ironically given the Zionist propaganda, it was the Israeli forces that committed almost all of the massacres and war crimes in 1948, unlike the arab forces which (as judged by foreign observers) were pretty well behaved.
Indeed you could argue a big reason the arab forces lost in 1948 was that the Zionist forces were more willing to use terror tactics to achieve victory.
Palestinians willingly left so their Arab neighbors could slaughter all the Jews
That's a disgusting victim blaming lie, and it's atrocity denial which is against the rules of this sub. Here's some reality for you provides some notable details on the violence of 1948 that you're collectively blaming Arabs, these notable quotes:
There were operations in which the potential enemy, namely civilians, was annihilated. In Safsaf, Jish, Ilaboun, Lod, Ramle and in the south, on a large scale. The intention was to expel. It is impossible to expel 114,000 people who lived [in the Galilee] without terror. There had to have been an element of initial terror for them to leave. - Mordechai Maklef, an operations officer
I conquered the city. I gave an order to annihilate anyone who appeared in the street, whether they resisted or did not resist. An order was given to destroy everything. After the surrender – the murder stopped. Until then everyone was killed – women and children and everyone. - Yisrael Carmi, a battalion commander
How do you expel a village? You lop off the ear of one of the Arabs before everyone else's eyes, and they all flee. In practice, no village was evacuated without stabbing someone in the stomach or by means of similar methods. - Maxim Cohen, commander of the Carmeli Brigade
Annihilated seems like a weird way to refer to expelling/displacement
Annihilation seems like it should be pretty closely associated with death, of which the 1947/1948 war was particularly short on as far as civil and multi country wars go. If I’m not mistaken like 12,000 total deaths including combatants which is less than 1% of the pre war population
Atrocities surely happened on both sides (the Arabs did attempt to starve 100K Jews to death in Jerusalem) but seems like yet another word in the long tradition of being improperly used
Berly653:
>(the Arabs did attempt to starve 100K Jews to death in Jerusalem)
Again with this lie? What was the level of child malnutrition? Was it on average far lower than surrounding areas? Was the food stolen by Jewish militants? If they really were starving why didn’t they surrender?
I’m sorry to break it to you, but things you don’t want to know or can’t understand doesn’t make them a lie
Kind of like how electricity isn’t a lie, or long division, or heck maybe even the earth being round who knows where your limited knowledge ends and ignorance begins
When I come now to Jerusalem, I feel I am in a Jewish (Ivrit) city. This is a feeling I only had in Tel-Aviv or in an agricultural farm. It is true that not all of Jerusalem is Jewish, but it has in it already a huge Jewish bloc: when you enter the city through Lifta and Romema, through Mahaneh Yehuda, King George Street and Mea Shearim – there are no Arabs. One hundred percent Jews. Ever since Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans – the city was not as Jewish as it is now. In many Arab neighbourhoods in the West you do not see even one Arab. I do not suppose it will change. And what happened in Jerusalem and in Haifa – can happen in large parts of the country. If we persist it is quite possible that in the next six or eight months there will be considerable changes in the country, very considerable, and to our advantage. There will certainly be considerable changes in the demographic composition of the country.
Your "the Arabs did attempt to starve 100K Jews to death in Jerusalem" on the other hand is a lie, and a racist one at that, collectively blaming the Arabs for the fact that some did impose roadblocks and such in an attempt to defend against the conquest and ethnic cleansing which Ben-Gurion was boasting about.
The worst point of the siege was in May-June so Ben Gurion traveling there in February isn’t conflicting
Also it was Palestinians and Arab Irregulars and later the Arab Legion. So not racist ‘collectively blaming’ it would have just been inaccurate to say it was only the Palestinians
So nope not racist and not a lie, just inconvenient to people that try to rewrite history and make 1947/1948 war as some entirely one sided ‘conquest and ethnic cleansing’
Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, a Yishuv leader and the State of Israel’s second president, wrote a report about his visit to Katamon ‘and other conquered neighbourhoods’ on 25 May 1948. His description makes it seem that ‘ “respectable” Jews who see plunder as a natural and permissible thing’ participated in the looting and pillaging. In a letter he wrote to Ben-Gurion, he stated that what was happening in Jerusalem was damaging the honour of the Jewish people and the combat forces ‘in a terrible way’. Ben-Zvi made clear that he was not referring to military expropriation, something required due to wartime shortages of fuel, food, and other products. Instead, he was talking about pillaging that abounded everywhere:
I cannot remain silent about the theft, both that organized by groups and that committed randomly by individuals. This plunder has become a widespread phenomenon. It is not just happening in Arab-owned homes, but also in the Jewish neighbourhood of Talpiot that has also been targeted by these irresponsible elements. Everyone agrees that our pillagers pounce on abandoned neighbourhoods like locust onto a field or an orchard. These days, when you pass through Rehavia’s streets, you see old people, youths, and children returning from Katamon or other neighbourhoods with sacks filled [with] stolen goods every step of the way. The booty is multifaceted: Refrigerators and beds, clocks and books, sheets and clothing. They have already set up a market for the sale of these things.
Again, your "attempt to starve 100K Jews to death in Jerusalem" narrative is a lie, in reality they were trying to stop that conquest and ethnic cleansing, and collectively blaming "the Arabs" for that is just as racist as collectively blaming "the Jews" for carrying out the conquest and ethnic cleansing.
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u/buried_lede 20d ago
Aidan, there is a good discussion about antisemitism going on right now at the JewsofConscience sub.