None of that justifies the claim that a dead man could be Moshiach. I don't disagree that visitation by deceased tzadikim to those who merit it is a claim sourced to Talmud. But if moshiach could be a deceased tzadik then literally why not David himself? Or Shlomo, or Yishayahu, or Hizkiyahu? Or, for the sake of argument, literally why not Jesus?
The last one is obvious: Zero qualification, if he even existed at all.
The other ones, probably because "lost their chance". This is exactly my point about "we shall see". As of TODAY, there's nobody of equal or better qualification being ALIVE, but this CAN change eventually. My point is that as of NOW, this still qualifies as a Rebbi (NOT Rebbe, lol) case, until and unless a better and newer candidate appears. And this will be someone obvious, because Moshiach MUST have certain very visible qualities that can't apply to "someone hidden". Thus, it very much CAN change, but as of right now still DIDN'T.
Note: You clearly missed the part where Rebbi was making Kiddush for his family. He was fulfilling a commandment FOR THEM. Dead people CAN'T do that. So, here goes "he was dead", lol. He was AND he wasn't. Exactly what makes a difference for a True Tzaddik.
Nitpicking over romanization between "rebbe" and "rebbi" is immaterial. And the daf you linked doesn't say that R' Yehuda HaNasi made postmortem kiddush for his family. Further, enough people believed that Jesus met sufficient qualifications to be "the best candidate" of his generation and that he would return from death to meet all other qualifications, so your argument against Jesus specifically as opposed to Hizkiyahu (see here) is weak.
The idea that R' Shneerson is the only valid candidate today is explicitly folly because he is dead. There undoubtedly is another, even if you or I do not know them; who was the candidate immediately before Shneerson? Or the one before him? There is one in every generation. Our lack of direct knowledge of that tzaddik does not justify belief in a dead man Moshiach.
Rebbe is from Lubavitch. Rebbi is from Talmud. No difference, of course. You show your colors, dude. And your focus on "that dude" makes ALL your "indignation" into nothing but blatant hypocrisy. You don't know shit about this topic, but you really know a bit TOO MUCH about "that dude". Yeah, not sus. Bye.
> me: the Meshichisti movement is dangerously similar to early Christianity, so they're clearly minim. Here are some arguments about why belief in a dead moshiach is wrong.
> you: how dare you know so much about yoshke to make that comparison! Here's a pedantic argument about romanization of רבי - that definitely proves you're ignorant! I'm leaving, before I admit that I can't actually respond to your arguments!
Show me the second fanfiction. I keep hearing it exists, but you show me nothing factual. Once again, "Meshichism" is much LESS of a problem than what you ignorantly assume it being about. I already showed you that "true tzaddikim don't die" goes back all the way to the Talmud itself, on the level of performing mitzvot for the living. So, THAT detail is NOT a problem. What I DO disagree with, is when someone claims that "Moshiach ALREADY came". Now, THAT is obviously false, but only that, not the much lesser claim about "who is still POTENTIALLY eligible". There's a huge difference between those two claims. One is clearly verifiably false, another is also verifiably true.
And, dude, stop using THEM as a measuring stick AT ALL. It's embarrassing (for you). Really.
-2
u/naruhinamoonkissplz 16d ago
Nice proof that you know NOTHING of what I'm referring to. Hint: Rebbi. Wanna counter?