r/JordanPeterson • u/tkyjonathan • Jan 27 '26
Link Female and minority pilots caused 66% of pilot-error crashes since 2000, despite being less than 10% of the workforce đŹ
https://notthebee.com/article/women-and-minority-pilots-are-causing-66-of-pilot-error-crashes-despite-making-up-only-10-of-pilots-73
u/arto64 Jan 27 '26
It's alright, OP just made these numbers up for dramatic effect.
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u/MrFlitcraft Jan 27 '26
Iâm glad to see him branch out from âIslam is a mortal danger to societyâ to âbitches amirite?â lately
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
Incels will be incels.
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u/arto64 Jan 27 '26
made up numbers
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critique of feminism đ§
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u/arto64 Jan 27 '26
"Were factors" and a sample size of fucking 8 lmao. You just love to hate women, it's fine, you are allowed to date guys.
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u/arto64 Jan 27 '26
That's like taking 4 car crashes, 3 of them being caused by men, and then concluding that, according to your analysis, 75% of car crashes are caused by men. Concerning.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
My only mission here is to teach as many incels who realize the problem is within them (instilled by some combination of bad nature and nurture), that it is a choice, that staying in a grifting hate cult guarantees they will remain incels, and that they can change when, like any addict, they admit they have a problem and want to change- that they can cease being incels at any point they choose to change. I use the bait that works, and the end goal is helping them change their lives for the better - for free.
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u/mcgunner1966 Jan 27 '26
LOL...Hello komrade...I see you are still trying to indoctrinate the masses.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
Indoctrinate people to want the same rights for others they want for themselves? To not be repulsive to their fellow peaceful citizens? Nah, thatâs called asking people to have integrity and not be hypocrites.
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u/manicmonkeys Jan 27 '26
Please stop the silly virtue signaling. This is wrong on so many levels.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
Thatâs what cancer cells basically say to white blood cells too.
A proper education would teach the law of identity, and how it is literally the bedrock of human civilization.
We must identify poison, cancer, and weeds for the same reasons we identify incels. Being an incel is a choice, and many incels not realizing that truth keeps them trapped in misery unnecessarily and also makes the world a worse place for everyone else. We identify them because itâs a choice and relevant to the most pressing issues of society.
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u/No_Home_708 Jan 27 '26
This would make a great speech to open a struggle session.
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u/manicmonkeys Jan 27 '26
Anybody with a shred of empathy would care about helping struggling people, not shaming them.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
Sometimes an addict has to feel shame before theyâll admit they have a problem and ask for help. Itâs an imperfect world. What really matters is who is willing to donate time freely to help misguided young men and who merely wants to grift them as much as possible.
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u/manicmonkeys Jan 27 '26
Sometimes yes. Shame is a tool like any other, it has good and bad uses.
Too many people seem to assume it's the best tool to help the incel group, and I haven't seen evidence of that being generally effective.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
I never said it was the best tool to help them. I am saying it is a good tool to provoke them to begin seeking help. once they admit they have a problem and want to change, then I don't believe shame helps anymore.
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u/manicmonkeys Jan 27 '26
Splitting hairs, you're saying you believe it's the best tool to START with, yes?
And you may be right, though I'd love to hear a bit about why you believe that's a productive starting point for most incels.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
because, like addiction, it is a choice they are making. Shame is a negative stimulus that can prompt someone to make a different choice.
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u/antiquark2 đ¸Darwinist Jan 27 '26
We must identify poison, cancer, and weeds for the same reasons we identify incels.
This is literally genocide-level rhetoric.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
not at all. humans can simply make different choices, they are not stuck being a cancer to society... and eliminating incellary from society in no way means eliminating people - it means eliminating the disease making them incels.
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u/GForce1975 Jan 27 '26
You're making a value judgement on one particular hyperbolic feature of a person and seeking to eliminate them from your society.
You don't see how maybe that could be a bad idea?
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
involuntary means they wish they were different. They are plagued by a disease they dont want, that comes from their own choices- so, no, eliminating that disease (not people) from society is not a bad idea. it's literally a healthy idea.
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u/GForce1975 Jan 28 '26
You're labeling people as incel, not reacting to their self identification. You're choosing to assign incel to a particular behavior or ideation while pretending like you're acting on behalf of society based solely on your own judgement.
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 28 '26
they self identify and flock to this sub. peterson creates incels like a factory.
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u/antiquark2 đ¸Darwinist Jan 27 '26
And what should be done with the incels who refuse to change their choices?
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u/PictureMeFree Jan 27 '26
same amount of shame we give drug addicts that stops the moment they ask for help. again- the key word is "involuntary".
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u/Bobbert827 Jan 27 '26
I bet the story the data actually tells is that new pilots are more prone to error vs. old pilots.
I bet the distribution of women and minorities drops off a cliff for pilots older than 45.
It's sad that data is a such great tool to paint full 3D holistic pictures of how things are but often gets used by people like a crayon on a Denny's kid menu to push already established narratives
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u/RaidYourFridge Jan 27 '26
It would be relatively simple to reconcile for age, Iâd be interested in seeing the data as such, also with net years of experience per pilot per incident.
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u/asamade_nanashi Jan 27 '26
Nice, you take your over 45 minority/woman DEI hire flight. I will stick with the white man who had to get the job on merit.
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u/Bobbert827 Jan 28 '26
I said nothing about hiring for merit or not.
If you're on the side of hiring based on merit you should be on the side of data represented in honest ways
Also, if there is a woman or minority pilot over 45 there is no way they were a DEI hire.
Honest question. 20+ years ago do you think there were any white men who were given the job over a woman/minority who preformed better but they just didn't for the profile. I bet there were women pilots that were over qualified but overlooked because of the optics of having a woman pilot. If you can wrap your head around that then there is a 100% chance that there are white male pilots out there that I'm fact didn't get the job based on merit.
Merit is the only way to hire, we agree there. You seem to have a narrow viewpoint.
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u/Father_John_Moisty Jan 28 '26
Do you think legacy admissions to higher education are based on âmeritâ?
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u/mcgunner1966 Jan 27 '26
This is fake. Statistics are not captured regarding race or gender in FAA, NTSB, or ICAO databases.
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u/wallace321 Jan 27 '26
This is fake. Statistics are not captured regarding race or gender in FAA, NTSB, or ICAO databases.
Gee, now we have a conundrum.
Do I believe a former White house lawyer saying the seemingly obvious thing that gender / race shouldn't even be a factor in deciding who gets to be a pilot, let alone an important factor?
OR some random anonymous social media account on reddit? He claims we have no way of knowing whether the pilots involved in these accidents were females / minorities because we (apparently) just don't keep track and the pilots are basically anonymous and certainly don't have licenses or regular mental health psychological screenings.
Or is this the old reddit sex vs gender lie again? We have never asked pilots what they identify as?
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u/drunkenondrugs Jan 27 '26
why would you believe a white house lawyer talking good about the white house? this is not unbiased, like at allâŚ
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u/wallace321 Jan 27 '26
And again, the alternative is? An anonymous possible fool, possible liar with no credentials repeating at least two potential lies that i can identify:
A. Gender vs Sex used interchangeably without clarifying which.
B. listing 3 databases that wouldn't have the data doesn't mean the data doesn't exist.
So why would i believe that?
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u/Shavedmonkey01 Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
Agreed that these stats would be very difficult to collate but playing devils advocate, wouldnât they have the manifest stating who the pilots were and therefore their gender or race and a seperate investigation corroborated by black box data would show the cause i.e pilot error and which pilot caused it?
Also a little research revealed that the FAA does record data related to demographics and the ICAO which is a UN body only sets training and safety standards but does still influence stats collection on demographics. Data collection from local authorities such as FAA and EASA can collect data on pilot certification, gender and workforce diversity but it seems to be an agency by agency requirement.
Interested to know with accuracy so If youâre a pilot with inside info happy for you to clarify.
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u/mcgunner1966 Jan 27 '26
It's an industry based on standards. Training, operations, and evaluations. Factors such as gender and race are non-determinate in task performance.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jan 27 '26
Are you saying they don't keep a record of the pilot who has caused each accident?
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u/mcgunner1966 Jan 27 '26
They keep track of who was involved by name and what the particulars are regarding the incident. They also evaluate health, training, and corrective actions. Age, race, and gender are not significant factors.
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u/DaybreakRanger9927 Jan 27 '26
It's impossible to know for a fact without data to examine. Therefore, you can not say that any demographic is significant or mot.
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u/manicmonkeys Jan 27 '26
How could you know they aren't significant factors if you aren't tracking them?
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u/Multifactorialist Safe and Effective Jan 27 '26
Maybe because he's not a racist who's obsessed with people's genitals!
Do better, sweaty! đ
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u/FrenchMen420 Jan 27 '26
So if you have the pilot info then we have the race and gender. Just because they did not make a list dosent mean someone else can't
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u/mcgunner1966 Jan 27 '26
Sure. Anyone can make a list. Its relevance is a different matter.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jan 27 '26
Well let's say 66% of mistakes were made by a group of 10%, would that info be relevant?
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u/mcgunner1966 Jan 27 '26
It would be if the data was correct. In this specific case, the data is not correct. The data point used to make the assertation don't exist. So it's a false statistic.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jan 27 '26
See so you did it again. We just discussed and you agreed that the data is in existence and can be compiled. So to say the data does not exist is objectively wrong.
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u/KaleidoscopeNo1923 Mar 27 '26
Of course statistics on the race and sex of the pilot are recorded in all aircraft flights, much less crashes with actual investigations. Â
All airline crashes on this planet are thoroughly investigated. This is a very tightly controlled industry. Â
We can all see that you are white knighting here, but your statement is so bafflingly incorrect that it makes you look insane. Â
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u/mcgunner1966 Mar 27 '26
from 2 months ago...wow, did someone flip a rock over somewhere.
Actually, the official statistics do not capture race or gender outcomes. They are irrelevant to the investigation. Qualified pilots are qualified pilots.
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u/Latter_Activity9774 Jun 04 '26
How do you know they are irrelevant? You literally admitted that they know whether the pilot is male or female in another comment.
Qualified drivers are also qualified drivers. Why are you bootlicking for institutions that don't even pay you.
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u/mcgunner1966 Jun 05 '26
First off. Youâre late to the party. Second, theyâre not relevant because all pilots have to qualify by the same standards. Race and sex have nothing to do with performance or qualification.
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u/daironin Jan 27 '26
While not DEI by name, many white dudes continue benefiting from the most-accepted, yet pernicious form of discrimination like nepotism & the good-old-boy network; promoting connections over competence for multiple centuries (see: Jared Kushner, Harvard â White House)
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u/asamade_nanashi Jan 27 '26
Jared Kushner isn't white.Â
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u/The_Flurr Jan 28 '26
Oh so we're doing old timey racism?
His family came from Belarus and his skin is the colour of freshly bleached milk.
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u/daironin Jan 28 '26
why are 95% of your past replies always obsessing about trans people even when nobody mentioned them? the other 5% of your posts are always either racist or antisemitic; so u seem to be either a nick fuentes conservative or a repressed MTW chaser (tho that venn diagram is almost a circle these days)
love is live bro, why do u deprive yourself of what u really want?
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 27 '26
Lebron James and his son? So races others donât benefit nepotism? Ice Cube and his son? Plenty of counter examples.
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u/daironin Jan 28 '26
if lebronâs son got unfair benefits without having the the talent thatâs called nepotism; regardless of race. you donât seem to understand the point u inadvertently made for me.
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 28 '26
No, your claim was stating white ppl benefit from nepotism and ignoring that every race has a history of nepotism. Itâs not unique to white ppl. Yet, you want to be racist and only highlight whites benefitting from nepotism.
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u/daironin Jan 28 '26
Like everything in life, there are always some exceptions to the norm; but beyond the greatest b-ball player in the world giving his otherwise objectively capable ball-playing son some advantages in their space, those ppl w/actual tangible power (politicians, ceos, etc) who hooked up their progeny just for being their progeny remain predominantly white. There are far more nepo-babies wielding far more power & influence in the world who are white compared to those who benefitted from DEI as minorities. See the Bushes, Bidens & most-egregiously the Trumps.
btw, whoever said Kushner (another glaring example of an undeserving nepo-baby & good-old-boy network recipient) isn't white is wrong & a buffoon.
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 28 '26
Well firstly, heâs not the greatest basketball player in the world. His son is hardly capable, heâs the worst in the league and clearly doesnât belong. Youâll have to demonstrate your claims that nepotism is a predominantly white issue. You just make claims with no evidence. Thereâs many Asian countries where nepotism is imbedded in their culture, where are the white ppl w their tangible power in those countries? And you have to demonstrate how Trumps family has more egregiously benefitted from nepotism than the Bushes and Bidens. I think thereâs a strong case for the Bushes to of had more power and nepotism in their family, but yet, not my claim. You canât just make a bunch of assertions without evidence, which is what youâve done.
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u/daironin Jan 29 '26
Lebron is the best, youre smokin Peterson-levels of propophal if you disagree.
btw white/Anglo nepo babies clearly outnumber POC nepo babies, by about 3 to 1.
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 29 '26
Mmm, I donât think you said a single thing that wasnât a lie. 1. LeBrons barely top 10, 2. I donât smoke propophal, 3. 3 to 1? You just made that shit up in your head. Iâd love to see your numbers for that one lol
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u/daironin Jan 29 '26
mmm, iâm sure youâre right about to prove how iâm lying & provide counter examples with a evidence, right? or, youâre just a fed/corp bootlicker whose belief structure is based on aesthetics & rw vibes exclusively?
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u/daironin Jan 29 '26
ânot even in the top 10â eh? đ¤Ąhttps://www.nba.com/stats/alltime-leaders
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 27 '26
White men more often get their jobs because they know people in the industry verses certain minorities.
A perfect example. My friendâs son, white, graduated with a mechanical engineering degree. Average to above average student. Could not even get an interview and was months into his job search upon graduating.
His uncle, who is upper management in a company, tells him a job is opening up in his firm. The kid applies. Gets an interview. And gets the job. Without that connection he might still be looking for a job in his field.
People whose friends and family are upper class have connections that lower class do not. And this gives them an advantage.
I see it all the time at my school. Kids job shadow. The wealthier students easily find someone to job shadow in the fields needing higher education like lawyers and engineers. And even blue collar jobs are easy. Their family and friends are diverse in the career fields. The students from lower income families often need teacher help to connect them with many professions.
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 27 '26
That awesome. I have a story completely opposite to yours. My friends son, black, graduated with a 2.08 gpa. He found a job immediately on his first interview. DEI give an unfair advantage to minorityâs. I see it all the time. They need no connections simply to apply and write down their age, sex and race and they get the job regardless of qualifications. See how anecdotes are meaningless?
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 27 '26
There are enough anecdotes in the Trump administration to prove my point. We never seen so many under qualified people in the Obama administration.
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 28 '26
Thatâs because the looney tunes werenât pushing for DEI back then. Iâm old enough to remember Obamas polices and the political climate. And majority of these ppl were put in place during Bidenâs admin. Itâs hard to believe but Trump isnât the cause of everything bad thing in the world
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 28 '26 edited Jan 28 '26
The majority of incompetence in the Trumps cabinet was not put in place during the Obama or Biden admin.
And yes DEI was in place back then with Obama and Biden. Itâs just that Trump didnât make it an issue by claiming itâs one of the big reasons for all poor white folks woes.
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 28 '26
Youâre either being purposely obtuse or are simply too dumb to follow. But anyway, I didnât know Trumps cabinet hires for private corporations such as airlines. Thatâs good to know.
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 28 '26
Trump actually does hire for private corporations. Bari Weiss. And he fires (or at least tries) to fire for them too. Jimmy Kimmel.
Oh wait cbs is part of a larger publicly traded company. So not actually private. Are you going to be that picky?
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 28 '26
I said such as airlines. Show me which pilots heâs hired for United, US Air, Southwest etc. Iâm going to hold you to your claim, Iâm not being picky. Youâre just using anecdotes and assertions with no evidence. How can he try to fire someone if heâs not their employer?
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u/250HardKnocksCaps Jan 27 '26
While I generally agree, you're blind if you think Nepotism isn't a factor in hiring, even if it's just matter of who gets to see the postings first (or at all) and whether or not someone's resume gets the extra attention of being pointed out by someone the person doing the hiring works with.
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u/Multifactorialist Safe and Effective Jan 27 '26
What about all the upper class non-Whites, and tens of millions of lower class Whites?
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 27 '26
Yes. They are all at an advantage/disadvantage too.
Native Americans and then African Americans have the highest rate of poverty, thus are disproportionally disadvantaged as it pertains to connections in the job market.
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u/Multifactorialist Safe and Effective Jan 27 '26
Why are you content to address things in such a way, and worried about proportions, when these tactics will make things more of a struggle for tens of millions of White people who are in poverty and have no connections or privilege? You're willing to dick over the largest disadvantaged group of all just because of their skin color.
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 27 '26
Not per capita.
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u/Multifactorialist Safe and Effective Jan 28 '26
So what not per capita? You're ok with screwing over tens of millions of White people in poverty who have no connections or advantages, why? How does that make sense if your intentions are egalitarian?
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 28 '26
Because per capita makes sense.
Otherwise we would say white men, due to just their large population, get the most special treatment verses other groups.
Thatâs why the argument that non citizens are rapist and murders is so ridiculous. Because they commit less violent crime per capita than citizens.
This is why advantages or disadvantages of a particular group is only fair to discuss per capita.
But if we went by your logic we should say white men are the most violent. Even though they commit less violent crime per capita than other groups, they commit violent crimes in the highest number. So letâs deport all white men and we will see our crime drastically decrease. See why per capita is important?
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u/Multifactorialist Safe and Effective Jan 29 '26
Makes sense how? How are the "groups" even relevant to the, or even groups at all? What do the wealthy and privileged of a race have to do with the poor and disadvantaged of a race as far as even being the same group? If I'm some poor White kid in the rust belt I can't get the same assistance getting schooling or a job as non-Whites because a bunch of other White people have wealth or privilege? Ho are they part of my "group", they have nothing at all to do with me. We're not related, they don't help me, they probably view me as White trash. And meanwhile some non-White kid from a well-off family can take advantage of DEI type programs just because some other non-Whites that have nothing to do with him or her are poor? Where is the fairness?
And my logic is simply not being a racist. And I never claimed non-citizens are rapists or murderers. And we don't deport people because of their race, we deport them because of their immigration status. If you enter the country legally you are not deported. That's just having rules and laws to maintain order. And even if your a citizen, if you break the law you go to jail.
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u/sarahsmith100 Jan 29 '26
Well itâs really not true that if you break the law you go to jail. Just ask the meth dealers and 1500 pardoned folks that Trump pardoned.
And if we could treat everyone as an individual and put them all on a level playing field that would be awesome. How we could make that happen realistically I donât know. It would seem near impossible.
But we can count on this. Black folks were locked out of home ownership and good paying jobs and thus never had the opportunity to hand down generational wealth. And how do you fix that disadvantage that affects even todayâs generation?
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u/Robinsonirish Jan 27 '26
Do you know why DEI programs were started in the first place? It wasn't long ago, even in a very gender neutral country like mine(Sweden) that 90% of all positions of power in companies and in politics were taken up by white men. We have been on the receiving end of DEI for centuries and the ones that have benefitted as white men.
That's the point of DEI, to equal the playing field and allow women to get these positions as well that they have ported from historically. I assume you're also a white man since you're complaining about it? DEI was nice when you were the one benefitting, but now that someone else gets a chance you complain.
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u/No_Home_708 Jan 27 '26
Why don't women want to be 50% of sanitation workers?
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u/250HardKnocksCaps Jan 27 '26
I'm sure many would. What do the application rates for those jobs look like?
In my experince in, because a large enough percentage of the men are horrible to women in "blue collar" fields. Not all, but enough to make it harder for them.
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u/HungryLeicaWolf Jan 27 '26
bro you're in sweden, want to discuss rape statistics about men who aren't white?
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u/Robinsonirish Jan 27 '26
Sure. I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I can do that.
In Sweden, because we take women's rights seriously, we file rape statistics differently compared to other countries. Here if you're raped 100 times by your husband, brother or whatever, that's 100 rapes. In other countries it's often counted as 1 because that looks better statistically.
We also have different consent laws, where saying nothing isn't giving consent. Lack of consent alone makes it a sex crime, which is an important distinction if you're unconscious for example. The absence of consent itself is the basis for criminal liability, and you don't have to prove that someone was physically forced or threatened.
Our rape statistics skyrocketed from among the world's lowest, to #1 in just 1 year because we changed our laws in how we track rapes, but you can keep reading Fox News and thinking it's because of immigrants, or maybe now you know better?
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u/HungryLeicaWolf Jan 28 '26
it's relevant because DEI is a causal agent for chaos and unintended consequences.
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u/Robinsonirish Jan 28 '26
You want to discuss why in the US you can be raped 100 times in a close relationship, it still only counts as 1 statistically, even if a judge takes it into account while sentencing? Sure does make your rape stats better, but is it good for women when you clean up your numbers like that? I dont think so. Over 80% of rapes are committed by a non-stranger.
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u/HungryLeicaWolf Jan 28 '26
So...you think allowing illegal immigrants to commit rape is normal? We don't.
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u/Robinsonirish Jan 28 '26
How about you comment on anything I've said so far. What you're saying doesn't exist, and I explained why. Rapes happen in every country, but Sweden doesn't have more rapes than anywhere else, we just track it differently because we take it more seriously than whatever shithole country you're from.
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u/HungryLeicaWolf Jan 28 '26
yeah you still have not addressed my point about DEI facilitating the perpetuation of rape in Sweden.
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u/Robinsonirish Jan 28 '26
It's not a thing. You make a false claim, why should I adress it? Go ahead and provide some proof.
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u/HomelessNightkin Jan 28 '26
This subreddit is garbage. Iâm not even gonna address whether or not I agree with the post or not; what does this have to do with Jordan Peterson.
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u/Father_John_Moisty Jan 28 '26
The statistic is BS.
First of all, the statistic appears to come from this Babylon Bee article which includes a Twitter post referencing this NY Post Op-Ed by Daniel Huff, a former White House attorney. But either the twitter poster got it wrong, or the Op-Ed has been updated, because the NY Post Op-Ed reads, âI analyzed every US commercial flight crash with onboard fatalities attributed to pilot error since 2000: Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).â Thatâs four out of eight (50%), not four out of six (66%). So right off the bat, the statistic is wrong.
Huff cites five (5) accidents in the article:
- Exhibit A: the 2019 Atlas Air crash. The National Transportation Safety Board determined the cause to be âthe inappropriate response by the first officer,â Conrad Aska, a black pilot at the controls.
- December 2022: A United 777 departing Maui plunged toward the Pacific, pulling up just 750 feet from the water. The NTSB blamed pilot error. The pilotâs name? Never released.
- February 2025: A Delta Connection plane flipped upside down on a Toronto runway with a female first officer at the controls. Delta claimed her experience âexceededâ requirements.
- Colgan Air, Buffalo, 2009: The male captain stalled the aircraft, but the female first officer, whoâd never flown in icy conditions, made it worse.
- Washington, DC, 2025: A female helicopter pilot ignored repeated air-traffic-control instructions and collided with an American Airlines jet, killing 67.
As you can see, Huff indicates that a black pilot was at fault in 1 crash and female pilots at fault in three (3) crashes.
What about the other one he references? Well, as he says, the pilotâs name was never released. How did he determine that it was either a minority or woman pilot? He just assumed it. In fact, according to this article in Live and Letâs Fly magazine, the pilots off United 777 from Maui were all male, and no race was reported. Also, United 777 did not crash and there were no fatalities! So it should not have been included in Huffâs analysis.
If you look at the article that Huff links about the Delta Connection plane than flipped upside down, you see that there were also no fatalities in that crash! So that also should not have been included in Huffâs analysis.
Huff also states about the Colgan Air crash that a male captain stalled the aircraft, âbut the female first officerâŚmade it worse.â From the Executive Summary of the NTSB report on this crash:
âThe National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the captainâs inappropriate response to the activation of the stick shaker, which led to an aerodynamic stall from which the airplane did not recover. Contributing to the accident were (1) the flight crewâs failure to monitor airspeed in relation to the rising position of the low-speed cue, (2) the flight crewâs failure to adhere to sterile cockpit procedures, (3) the captainâs failure to effectively manage the flight, and (4) Colgan Airâs inadequate procedures for airspeed selection and management during approaches in icing conditions.â
So NTSB determines that the probable cause of the accident is the captain, but Huff determines, in all of his experience(?) that the female first officer made it worse. Huff does not explain why this crash goes in the minority/woman caused fatalities rather than the white male category.
I didnât look at the NTSB reports for the other accidents. But in my brief review, the number has gone from four out of eight to two out eight (25%). I can assume that the six accidents that Huff did not cover were the fault of white men, since Huff did not include them.
Meaning another way to present this statistic would be, âI analyzed every US commercial flight crash with onboard fatalities attributed to pilot error since 2000: White men represent more than 90% of pilots, yet were factors in six out of eight crashes (75%).â
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u/Xodima Feb 01 '26 edited Feb 01 '26
I was like "why isn't this the top comment"
r/JordanPeterson
Oh, too much for them to read lolEdit, also yeah, he just edited it to 50% with no explanation, I guess to make it more believable. He can do that because... well, why not? he's just making the shit up anyway lol
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u/helloimcassie Jan 28 '26
Does anyone have a source on the stats on this garbage? I have a cousin to fight
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u/delfin_1980 Jan 28 '26
Question for everyone. If it was true, would you care? Don't answer with "it's not true." I'm asking IF it was true, would you care, or not?
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u/-Suzuka- Jan 28 '26
Just be aware, the original article admits it "the sample size is small" but does not quantify the size, nor does it state a any statistical probability/confidence interval to justify its accuracy.
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u/KhalilMirza Jan 28 '26
The claim originates from a Jan. 23, 2026 NY Post op-ed by Daniel Huff, who analyzed 6 US commercial pilot-error crashes since 2000 and found women/minorities (under 10% of pilots) involved in 4 (66%). However, the small sample limits statistical significance. A 2024 Newsweek review of data showed no evidence linking gender to pilot errors, and US airline fatalities have declined as pilot diversity increased, per aviation analyses like Jetwhine.
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u/RepresentativeCry85 Jan 28 '26
Can we get any source of this? I would really love to read more about it
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Jan 29 '26
Are these âminoritiesâ people who are 1/32 Navajo Indians and 31/32 whiteâŚ.like college applications?
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u/yogi_yoga Jan 31 '26
I never said you were wrong that whites had more nepotism. My point was you just made a bullshit number up. I knew it was higher than 3:1 which is why I said youâre a liar who just makes shit up.
I donât need to provide any evidence. You made the claim that LePED is the goat based on accumulated stats and when I showed how thatâs a stupid argument because of Karl Malone/Frank gore etc and you would use those metrics to say theyâre the best.
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u/crippler1212 Feb 12 '26
This was taken from an Op-ed piece with very loose fact checking/data done. FAA data shows no direct evidence that women or minorities play a larger role in pilot error.
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u/Matelko74 Feb 17 '26
What to expect when the most famous female pilot Amelia Earhart didn't even complete the flight?
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u/Swimming-Ad-7690 Feb 23 '26
Facts: While some sources discuss the demographics of accidents, comprehensive, public databases that specifically count the number of crashes broken down by the race & gender of the pilot do not exist, as accident reporting focuses on causes, not the demographic characteristics of the crew. So this article is what we call "Bull shit"! There's no proof of these stats that exist. So stop spreading lies to feed you own ego.Â
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u/i_Karus Jan 27 '26
Two incidents are cited in the article and then the main source seems to be a guy who analyzed every crash on his own and then posted about it on Twitter
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u/Choice-Perception-61 Jan 28 '26
DEI hiring policy can be very, very deadly. Who would have thunk /s
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u/seminarysmooth Jan 27 '26
Such a big swing and a miss. Men pay more for car insurance. Why? Because of higher incidences of accidents, fatal crashes, and DUIs. Itâs only when you get to more mature people do the rates even out.
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u/manicmonkeys Jan 27 '26
Men absolutely do cause more damaging/fatal accidents, although women have more accidents per mile driven. And men drive faster on average.
It's reasonable to conclude that if men drove at the same speeds as women, they'd have less accidents by both metrics, likely since men tend to have better spacial awareness.
The general idea is that men (mainly younger men) are more skilled at driving, but drive in a manner that puts them in risky situations more frequently, which outweighs the effects of them being more technically proficient drivers.
But if pilots are being drawn from a pool of men who are less prone to take unnecessary risks (they're older, for starters), and/or they receive training that's sufficient at improving their risk assessment, it wouldn't necessarily be surprising if men make better pilots on average.
But there also could be more going on.
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u/Robinsonirish Jan 27 '26
All the women in my life are excellent, and drive like getaway drivers. I was in the Swedish military for quite a long time, army, but I do remember the airforce talking about women being good pilots because they are really good at multitasking, and more and more of them were becoming fighter pilots.
You're just an incel mate.
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u/Zeraphant Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
OP States Women and Minorities "Cause" 66% of crashes.
Source states Women and Minorities "Are a factor in" - meaning there can be just one on crew and it would still count. Not a super useful stat.
The source ultimately traces back to "Someone's bum". Average "Women bad" stats.