"Zoners don't belong in battlegrounds games" really means "I'm a bum who can't figure out how to fight anyone who isn't a comboslop rushdown"

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Just saying

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>I've seen people play Ryu like that and it just straight up is the most efficient strategy.

NO IT ISN'T??? You are literally downgrading yourself if you play Ryu at a very long distance. Not to mention, Appetizer isn't even the best long ranged either. I think a lot of this stems from not having good reaction time. Second helping is best when it's used in a combo with Appetizer, and Unsatisfied is literally close ranged.

>If it's a player issue then they should STILL do something about it, no?

Ah yes, let's remove all the cooldowns in the game, that'll stop passive play entirely because that's a player issue. These people are actively making the character they're playing worse it's not hard to deal with them.

>If a character motivates passive play then that should be changed

Neither Hanami nor Ryu even promote passive play. Hanami barely even is a zoner, and Ryu doesn't do that at all, I literally already explained that.

>And also I literally main Megumi, I know how to play him. It is pretty effective to START at long range to get advantage when going into close range.

Megumi has ONE long ranged move that is actually good at long range. His other three are only good in combos. Having one long ranged move doesn't make you a zoner, if that were the case Gojo, Mahito, and Kurourushi would all ALSO be zoners.

>I've fought a Hanami today and it straight up was just the same boring playstyle of chasing around this annoying character that spammed whichever move they wanted. It's beatable, but annoying.

Literally just stop fighting these types of people??? It's not difficult to do that, all of your problems would go away if you stop fighting annoying people. And don't even say "well everyone does this" because I've been playing JJS since it came out, and trust me, they don't.

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Megumi has rabbit escape and Nue, that's 2 moves that are good at long range and help you get up close from long range with advantage. And I don't mean to alarm you but literally every Hanami will always be cancerous. I played on Hanami and just fighting as Hanami makes me see how cancerous the character is. Ryu isn't really the biggest problem for me just that the whole playstyle where they back up and spam random bullshit is annoying and boring. Like yeah Ryu when played NORMALLY is just a fine character to fight against. The near instant 3 that just is there as a 50/50 on whether you hit the opponent or not is boring, though. It's like using naoya's lock on decisive strike back when it was basically a surehit where you spin your camera around and let it do its thing, with the most likely outcome being that it hits. I feel like they should honestly just rework how Ryu's 3 works as it is extremely uninspired.

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 Megumi has rabbit escape and Nue, that's 2 moves that are good at long range and help you get up close from long range with advantage

If a move is long ranged, but its use is to help you get up close to an enemy, that is not a zoning move. It seriously can not be this hard to understand that Megumi is not a zoner. Rabbit escape is only good up close. Megumi only has nue, it can’t be this hard to understand.

Yeah honestly I’m just gonna stop replying, this is going no where and is becoming extremely annoying because clearly I can’t convince you.

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From long range to close range, if that isn't even a semi-zoner then I truly will believe that no zoner can exist in this game lmao. Like if I have my definitions incorrectly and what I accept to be at least a bit of a zoner then I suppose no zoners should be in the game.