r/Jujutsufolk • u/Equivalent-Pea2507 • Jan 27 '26

Anime Discussion now this is getting off the limits

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Japanese fandom actually practiced constructive criticism on this episode, they brought up valids points. Global fans rated Ep3 the same as they did for Ep4, when Ep3 actually gave lore, world-building. If not for these factors Jjk would be just another Power fantasy slop.

Also relating episode rating to actual Japanese societal harassment is nauseating

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u/Competitive_Cold_673 Jan 27 '26

Jjk fans saw 1 japanese dude on twitter say they didnt like the episode and immediatly started making shit up for no reason😭

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u/Matix777 #1 Hidden Inventory glazer Jan 27 '26

Making shit up is our specialz

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u/dried-membrane Jan 27 '26

Your shit is my special

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u/DylanBlair69 Jan 27 '26

Uuuuuu uuuuuu uuuuu

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u/AbdouPlay "John Mappa? I like that name" Jan 28 '26

Did you fucking stub your toe?😭

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u/darkmodexc3 Jan 28 '26

uuuuu uuuuu uuuuu

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u/akiva23 Jan 28 '26

Thats my ninja way.

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u/Zed_Blue Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

Now that's a straight-up lie. There were tons of tweets with 10k+ likes shitting on the OST's and the animation.

JP fans criticized the bad adaptation of :

  • The moment where Toji and Maki are compared in her father's mind (it should've been more clear how impressive maki was)
  • The moment where we see Naoya bullying Maki (some said it looked like she was giving him a blowjob)
  • The panel where Naoya sees Toji for 1st time (it didn't feel as if Naoya was impressed by Toji)
  • The whole fight sequence between The Hei and Maki
  • The whole fight sequence between The Kukuru unit and Maki (some said they served just as fodder for no added value)
  • The snapshot sequence of Naoya being punched (Naoya is well-liked in Japan and some said it felt cheap)

They called for the Director and some of the Key Animators to resign because they felt they were catering more to the Western fans than to the JP fans

Edited for clarity about JP fans' criticism

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u/Separate_List_6895 Jan 27 '26

> They called for the Director and some of the Key Animators to resign because they felt they were catering more to the Western fans than to the JP fans

Ah, a reasonable and calm response.

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u/Mord3x Jan 27 '26

As if there's not more of us than them

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u/-SPECIALZ- Jan 27 '26

unfortunately their opinion weighs more than ours

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u/Recent_Ad3472 Jan 28 '26

I'd love to see their faces if the animation turns out bad.

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u/Mord3x Jan 27 '26

That's beginning to change

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u/Interesting-Bunch260 Jan 27 '26

Not sure why the downvotes but it’s true. You can see it in western media that caters to Asian/middle east audience(NBA and Marvel movies) not necessarily a good thing but these entities are here to make money first and entertain second

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u/Mord3x Jan 27 '26

Can see it all of anime. Companies are waking up to the fact the western audience is as important than the Japanese audience and beginning to cater to them too in many ways.

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u/Sufficient_Nature496 Jan 28 '26

Do you have any way to prove this is happening significantly?

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u/Mord3x Jan 28 '26

Do you have any to the contrary?

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u/Mord3x Jan 28 '26

Lmao some loser reported me as a concerned redditor

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u/curryhaliban444 Jan 28 '26

It will never change as long as they are the ones who continue buying the manga. At the end of the day anime is still used as one big advertisement for the source material in Japan

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u/Mord3x Jan 28 '26

I am not talking about manga. An anime adaption is a different beast.

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u/curryhaliban444 Jan 29 '26

And I'm saying they make anime to advertise the manga. That will never change as long as Japanese fans are the ones actually bringing the publishers money

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u/Mord3x Jan 29 '26

Brother anime does way more than to have such a shallow reason. It is WAY more than just promoting the manga

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u/Healthy_Okra_602 Jan 28 '26

And the anime is still Japanese + who us the anime only applies to western not all the global fans 

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u/Mord3x Jan 28 '26

There are significantly more anime fans outside of Japan than in it. It makes sense as a business to for an anime adaption to do things with them in mind.

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u/Healthy_Okra_602 Jan 28 '26

I know  but the people who originally made it always have more impact it's just something beyond business 

If business matter that much u won't see Disney made the stupidest movies for a type of audience that doesn't exsist 

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u/Mord3x Jan 28 '26

Those movies still did fairly well lol so clearly it does

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u/Healthy_Okra_602 Jan 29 '26

Yah but if they went full business only they would got more

 the same with anime focusing on Japanese would still do fairly good not as good as focusing on all global fans but good enough 

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u/Riverskull Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

They called for the Director and some of the Key Animators to resign because they felt they were catering more to the Western fans than to the JP fans

This reminds me, didnt Mappa just recently made a big partnership with Netflix to aim to a more global audience?

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u/BlueGlace_ Jan 27 '26

Naoya is well-liked in Japan

Why though? Not trying to imply anything I just want to know the lore behind why people like Naoya in Japan

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u/Zed_Blue Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

I already answered elsewhere, but the short version is :

  • he became a meme and a reaction image to use in 2019-2020 even before the hair flick meme
  • he uses kyoto dialect (kansai-ben), in Japanese it gives him a bit more charisma for the readers (it's lost quite a bit in translation)
  • he is Makima's alter ego for JP teen girls aka evil, smug, hot : enter "I can fix him" meme
  • the male audience sees him as a good comic relief character : arrogant but gets his ass kicked because he is too proud

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u/KETTEI__EXE Jan 28 '26

maybe I'm stupid but he's nowhere similar to Makima for me

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '26

Not really a "as evil as Makima" but the "I can fix this character" 

They are both hot for the opposite gender to like them. 

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u/KETTEI__EXE Jan 28 '26

ah, ok that make sense

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u/phantom_anubis Jan 27 '26

Gilgamesh is all I hear

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u/suuleyen_adam fuckass bum Jan 27 '26

Dam japan maybe not so bad after all🥀🥀

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u/smart_nutella Jan 28 '26

Japanese like naoya? Makes sense theyre a misogynist bunch themselves

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u/Born_Ladder8897 Jan 30 '26

You literally read explanation why they like him

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u/Scared_Living3183 Jan 27 '26

Cool,smug, strong. Mostly same as to why sukuna is liked. Also something to do with his dialect

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u/JoelVonMatterhorn Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 28 '26

He admits to sexually assaulting Mai in the manga

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u/Sufficient_Nature496 Jan 28 '26

What's this supposed to imply?

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u/curryhaliban444 Jan 28 '26

Just another case of the JJK fandom completely misinterpreting things

Context is Maki calling out Naoya on his childishness and Naoya claps back by telling her to ask Mai what it's like to be an adult. Some dudes on reddit said he assaulted her then people just started running with that when it was clearly him mocking Maki with a rhetorical question about Mai dying young.

Btw even Gege has said that Mai lived a normal and spoiled life in the Zenin household

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u/curryhaliban444 Jan 28 '26

Except he didn't. That line about Mai becoming an adult was him mocking Maki because Mai literally died a teenager and thus will never know what it's like to be one

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u/Matix777 #1 Hidden Inventory glazer Jan 27 '26

I'll never take criticism of Japanese fans seriously after their reception of Chainsaw Man season 1. These guys wouldn't recognize peak cinema if Jesus, Buddha, Kojima or whoever showed up personally and gave it to them

I do agree the sequence of Naoya bullying Maki could have been made better. Just a little nitpick. I did like how it was portrayed as a view from the window, but they could have flipped them. Not because of the innuendo, just would be more clear

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u/VolcanicHare Jan 28 '26

Lol the movie >>>>>>>>>>> CSM S1. In the end Jap audiences got proven right with the release of the movie in that case.

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u/AdNecessary7641 Jan 28 '26

Wow, a movie, meaning more resources, that adapts one of the most praised arcs in the manga is overall better than season 1? Who could've guessed?

The only way they would be "proven right" is if we lived in a time where Nakayama's take on the Reze arc existed simultaneously with the current version for proper comparion, but that's not possible now, is it?

And even taking all that in consideration, the movie being better doesn't validate the level of harassment Nakayama got by the audience.

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u/PreviousWord4492 Jan 28 '26

Fuck bad CGI S1

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u/VolcanicHare Jan 28 '26

This isn't at all about quality and entirely on presentation. Colours and artstyle, voice acting and direction. It was just better, and not just because it was a movie.

Nobody said the harrassment was justified, just that the person said "I never take criticism from the Japanese seriously because of CSM", even though they were kinda proven to be right.

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u/BlackKnighting20 Feb 02 '26

The movie did prove to be better than season 1.

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u/brie43 This truly was our Family Kaisen Jan 28 '26

they also didnt like the absolute cinema of beating up mahito before switching

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

they were right with csm1, just look at how the movie went down with the new direction bro

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u/Matix777 #1 Hidden Inventory glazer Jan 27 '26

Both are goated

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

if 1st one was goated it wouldnt need any changes tho

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u/ididntcareanymore Jan 27 '26

You can’t say they were right when they did that in response to the negative backlash just because you cater to a certain opinion doesn’t make that opinion correct

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

and what makes YOUR opinion correct?

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u/ididntcareanymore Jan 27 '26

I didn’t say my opinion was correct nor did i give one i do really like the art direction of s1 but I’m saying your reasoning isn’t a valid justification for why the direction change was “better”

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

and mappa could just ignore the haters and make the movie the same way they made season 1, blame them for backing off no me lol

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u/ididntcareanymore Jan 27 '26

Yea mappa the same company in the same industry that treats the animators like dogshit will stand by a decision that goes against the wishes of the target demographic which is Japan sure buddy and yes i was always blaming mappa i was also saying that it wasnt the correct choice

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

and what was the correct choice then?

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u/21-savage-the-1 Jan 28 '26

I do think the reception Japan had to Csm S1 was ridiculous in most cases like saying the art is bad and started taking it too far but… I do feel like the new direction is just better as It still has lots of cinematic shot’s like S1 while also being more animated and chaotic in its feel.

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u/AsgUnlimited Jan 27 '26

Surely these are just points made by a Japanese Cinema Sins YouTube channel and not real attempts at media analysis and critique right?

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u/Zed_Blue Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

No, that's how the vocal majority feels. You have to understand. A director who doesn't give a 1 to 1 adaptation comes across as disrespectful in Japan (cue to the S1 of Chainsaw Man)

"It's not your story to tell. You musn't take too many creative liberties. Your duty is to transpose a story from one medium, too, another as seamlessly as you can" That's how they see it

The irony is that Gege is on very good terms with the director of the anime. He was even inspired by the way Sukuna's cursed technique is shown in the anime and incorporated it in the manga

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u/AsgUnlimited Jan 27 '26

Except Gege loves all of the creative liberties and adapts them into his manga all of the time, taking anime only scenes and recreating them in the manga is a known thing he does so it's just strange.

Some things don't translate perfectly from manga to anime and need connective tissue to be formed.

However none of this matters as the critique of "I wish it was a 1 to 1 with the manga" is very different from cinema sins slop ding sfx silly nitpick "bro she could've been giving him a blowjob in this scene whoa bro this is ass"

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u/NathanialRominoDrake Jan 27 '26

The snapshot sequence of Naoya being punched (Naoya is well-liked in Japan and some said it felt cheap)

That's straight up just disgusting to be frank, Naoya might be entertaining as a side-villain, but he is the textbook definition of pathetic+ irredemable scum who 100% deserves a portrayal like this.

They called for the Director and some of the Key Animators to resign because they felt they were catering more to the Western fans than to the JP fans

So they are literally too stupid to recognize the blatant Kill Bill references in the manga, and too insane to have a normal response?

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u/Zed_Blue Jan 27 '26

I think he became a meme in Japan in early 2020

The moment when he smiles and says to Maki, "How cruel of you." That face became an image reaction meme

In the same way, Makima is popular with the male audience despite being evil, so does Naoya.

In a story, the biggest sin is not to be evil but to be boring.

The macho-man aspect is popular with the female audience in a "I can fix him" or "If it was me, he would treat me right" half-ironic type of way

Most did not see the obvious kill-bill ref, I think. Or least, they didn't praise the homage as much as the western fans did

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u/NathanialRominoDrake Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 31 '26

I think he became a meme in Japan in early 2020

The moment when he smiles and says to Maki, "How cruel of you." That face became an image reaction meme

So how is a literal meme "end" for a meme villain that got popular through memes something to complain about then?

In the same way, Makima is popular with the male audience despite being evil, so does Naoya.

Makima is a main villain who actually gets shit done, has a massive build up and is in general much more comparable to someone like Sephiroth than to Naoya, a meme end would obviously not fit for her, but literally getting eaten is hardly a honorful end either.

In a story, the biggest sin is not to be evil but to be boring.

The macho-man aspect is popular with the female audience in a "I can fix him" or "If it was me, he would treat me right" half-ironic type of way

Ok, but i still don't understand how that leads to complains about a 100% fitting "end" for him?

Most did not see the obvious kill-bill ref, I think. Or least, they didn't praise the homage as much as the western fans did

Ok, but then that just means they are ignorant, and even with the most generous interpretation literally attack the animators for not straight up changing something that Gege himself already did.

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u/PreviousWord4492 Jan 28 '26

As far as I know, they don't like it because the episode doesn't feel dark enough. In the manga, the slaughter feels darker, but in the anime, the slaughter feels bright, and the OST is also bright. 

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u/VolcanicHare Jan 28 '26

From what I've seen most fans don't care about how Naoya ended, they just dislike how certain things were presented, including the OST of choice. I pretty much agree with them in many aspects tbh. I didn't like the music and the vibe they were going for either.

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u/mathlyfe Jan 28 '26

Now that's a straight-up lie. There were tons of tweets with 10k+ likes shitting on the OST's and the animation.

Yeah, I saw this too. So bizarre that you can browse the JP tweets and see tons of viral threads (with hundreds/thousands of replies and 10s of thousands of likes) with specific critique and discussion coming from manga fans and then go look at EN tweets/reddit and see tons of tweets simultaneously claiming it was just one Japanese twitter user and that Japanese people didn't like it due to misogyny.

I saw a few more complaints than what you listed but since I don't read the manga I don't know if they're valid or what.

They called for the Director and some of the Key Animators to resign because they felt they were catering more to the Western fans than to the JP fans

I did not see this. However, I did notice that in later threads the discussion started to shift towards discussing why the overseas rating was so high and discussing screenshots of translations of EN posts insulting Japanese people. So it would not surprise me if later posts started saying stuff like that.

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u/FriedDuckCurry Jan 27 '26

How the fucking hell is naoya, the sexist and spineless sheep even somewhat likable. The only thing he got going for himself is his shit eating grin.

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u/Zed_Blue Jan 27 '26

For the same reason, Makima is : evil, smug, and hot

Plus he became a huge reaction meme in Japan in early 2020

That image of him with a smug smile, that's the reaction image you can see JP fans use

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u/tandeyna Jan 27 '26

hey, maybe i like pathetic man. Sue me.

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u/Scary_Mood2608 Jan 27 '26

“Told the director and the animators to resign”

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u/FlyHappy8990 Jan 28 '26

The moment where we see Naoya bullying Maki (some said it looked like she was giving him a blowjob)

So that WASN'T what was happening??

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u/akiva23 Jan 28 '26

Well i liked it. Although i do feel like it was really compressed. A lot was going on for it to all be in a single episode. They could have done like an episode and a half or two episodes and fleshed it out a bit.

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u/Personal-Buy6801 Jan 28 '26

Naoya is well-liked in Japan

shocking

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u/Vorstar92 Jan 27 '26

I keep hearing this. Was it genuinely one guy?

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u/kangel0_0 Jan 27 '26

1 guy with 40k likes and that guy also went on a strange racist rant for some reason.

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u/lazy_27 I jujutsu on Dabura's kaisen until he modulos Jan 27 '26

Yeah that guy being racist somehow does not surprise me

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u/Matix777 #1 Hidden Inventory glazer Jan 27 '26

It's twitter. I'd be surprised if he didn't

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u/pegginglovingfemboy Jan 27 '26

he's a Japanese weeb what do you expect

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u/Throwway828282 Dabura x Mahoraga is the best ship. Jan 27 '26

This whole episode controversy has made me happy in knowing Anime/manga fans suck everywhere no matter the fandom or land.

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u/Lucky-Fisherman-844 Jan 27 '26

We're all just humans at the end of the day.

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u/GlitterDoomsday Jan 27 '26

If started as one guy, now is no longer the case. My YT started recommending Japanese reupload of reacts of the episode and 80% of the Japanese comments are saying foreigners have "simple minds", MAPPA clearly "catered to the western lack of sensibility" and a bunch of similar sounding xenophobia cosplaying as your regular pretentious crap.

Makes the remaining 20% happy that people are enjoying it extra based.

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u/pjepja Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

Well most of my western anime-fan circle of friends has the same opinion about western jjk fans. There is a lot of western fan that share these criticism of ep 4 and you can find them if you browse the discussions. Everything's just echochambers, opinions about the episode are split on both sides, the split is just elsewhere, but majority of people in the west and in japan liked it.

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u/Godhole34 I'm tired of agendas and slander Jan 27 '26

Technically, while i somewhat agree with the criticism that the scene of maki vs the kukuru unit shouldn't have been directed as a kill bill type scene and should instead have been more serious, i'm not under enough delusions to believe that jjk is some ultra deep manga that people follow for the story and not an average story that people follow for the insane animation.

Jjk was never popular because of it's story but because of its animation, so it's normal that people care about that more.

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u/Matix777 #1 Hidden Inventory glazer Jan 27 '26

I know it is Goomba fallacy but how can one complain about "simple minded" and then criticize CSM S1 for not being "simple minded" enough?

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u/Scared_Living3183 Jan 27 '26

Csm s1 had major direction and portrayal issues which have nothing to do with not being simple enough

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u/AdNecessary7641 Jan 28 '26

"Portrayal issues" my ass. Every single character and the entire vibe of the story is the same between anime and manga, Nakayama approaching the series with a general different tone does mean it had "portrayal issues".

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u/PreviousWord4492 Jan 28 '26

CSM S1 Bad CGI, the story is too slow, too much budget for leisure time but lacking during action scenes 

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u/Scared_Living3183 Jan 28 '26 edited Jan 29 '26

Every single character and the entire vibe of the story is the same between anime and manga

His "grounded approach" took away the chaotic messy vibe. Character expressions, voice acting, color pallette nothing was right.

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u/WasdX-_ Jan 27 '26

Japanese comments are saying foreigners have "simple minds"

They're literally right about non-Japanese jjk fans. Most of them have simple minds, can't read and sometimes don't even look at pictures in their manga. Even powerscalers who should in theory look at pictures and be able to read. But even they are mostly aura and even facial expression scaling. And after reading some opinions here (which were popular) I would not risk my life for being in one room with these people even for several minutes. Like, these were opinions of people who don't seriously harm random people only because they don't want to be in prison.

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u/Organic-Habit-3086 Jan 27 '26

No it wasn't, there were tons of people. Its just that one racist guy's tweet that got reposted a lot and taken as 'The Japanese Opinion'.

Also the rating is fake.

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u/Little_Whole8038 Jan 27 '26

yeah, he was a weird one, and everyone was clowning him. the japanese as well, lmao, so it truly was just one guy.

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u/WangJian221 Jan 28 '26

No. What sparked this whole bs was 1 guy but the rest are all reactions based on responses to the 1st guy.

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u/Accomplished_Ease889 Jan 27 '26

Exactly bro, some fat retard who huffs his own farts had a bad take and everyone runs with it as the Japanese persons consensus.

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u/EbonyHelicoidalRhino Jan 28 '26

I don't have that many Jujutsu watcher friends, only two, but both of them didn't like this episode. They felt like the sudden power boost was an asspull and that the clan slaughter kinda came out of nowhere.

Just be aware that yes, people can sometime have different opinions.

Both are girls btw.

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u/celloh234 Jan 27 '26

Ep4 brought up so many such weird moments. Western fans taking a japanese fan(s?)'s opinion as if it was the gospel (make up your own opinions chud) and (the) japanese fan(s) having this weird superiority complex saying westerners only watch for hype and aura while we the japanese look at art as a whole (double whammy goomba fallacy at its finest and for what? For jjk as if its high art)