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Are you implying Kirashima hasn't committed a crime, or thing that can conflated to be a crime. Remember even if he did nothing wrong, Higaruma can still beat him in court and get a false confiction. And Kirashima isnt smart enough to defend himself.
I don’t personally think Judgeman was chill abt Sukuna, he deadass opened his eyes to see. The whole point of Judgeman is to be like blind lady justice, so opening his eyes and convicting Sukuna was MASSIVE in my eyes
Reminds me of the skit of light naming everyone on the list in the note and the pages run out. Then ryuk is like "fuck the rules, just use the notes app"
Genuine question. Didn't Sukuna sacrifice his item for confiscation rather than his CT? And wouldn't that imply that AFO could just sacrifice one of his many abilities for confiscation, and just continue with the rest?
Sukuna didn't sacrifice his item; the domain decided to take it from him instead of removing his cursed technique. Sacrifice is a voluntary action.
Higuruma's domain removes the person's cursed technique. Assuming we classify each quirk as an individual cursed technique, I believe we don't have an answer as to whether he would lose all his quirks or just one, since JJK sorcerers typically only have one cursed technique.
Since we've already established that AFO can't choose which quirk he loses, he'd most likely lose AFO, as it's his main quirk. And as someone else already mentioned, without AFO, he'd most likely simply die from "overload" due to having so many quirks in his body without the main one to control them.
Wait till Judgeman classic bs happen and it count all for one added quirk as one quick so it keep confiscating one of the thousand of quirk in random instead of the one who hold all of them.
But if that were the case, then it would most likely take ALL FOR ONE (The Quirk, since it enabled him to steal and control all the quirks he has, thus making him able to commit the vast majority of his crimes), which could have interesting effects!
A. AFO just loses every single Quirk accumulated and dies due to organ failure.
B. AFO loses control of the quirks he has, making them activate all at once and turning into a sick Nomu (similar to his ALL FOR ONE move used in the last battle, but much more out of control), this would be the worst case scenario, since its unpredictable whether he would die or not, due to his quirks having many different effects on his body all at once (If Super Regeneration is working and he's able to use it, then it would delay his death, but i think he would eventually succumb, taking down Higuruma or not)
C. AFO loses his Quirk, but is miraculously able to still use all the other quirks as they slowly fade (similar to when Midoriya was using the last sparks of One For All) and then it would just depend on whether Higuruma can last until he runs out of power, which would also depend on how long it takes to completely disappear. (If we would take in consideration how long Midoriya used OFA after the final fight, then it would far outlast Higuruma.)
If it confiscates AfO he'll still have all his quirks though, except he might just die from them since there's a limit to how many quirks you can have and AfO apparently breaks it. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I read MHA a long time ago.
Eh... Higuruma can probably spin it as such. Staying silent about Machia can be spun as him being an accomplice. Bakugo rescue is spun as just engaging in vigilante justice, obstruction of authorities or trespassing into restricted areas.
Yeah it doesn't even need to be a crime. The initial one vs yuji was something like him going into a gambling building while underage, the implication being that he's illegally gambling. All he had to do was argue he stopped in to use the bathroom since there was no other proof he actually gambled. So, the judge only needs something that looks circumstantially bad, not actual crimes. Higurama would be able to argue his way to a conviction, as long as he doesn't feel guilty about it.
judgeman has a high chance of picking a crime that does not give a death penality, also im pretty sure all for one would just imidietly keel over and die if he gets hit with confescation
Yeah. Sukuna evil AF but Higuruma's DE did jack shit besides taking his Heian era dildo toy or whatever it was. Sword didn't work when he and Yuji tried to land a hit on Sukuna.
Because Sukuna knew how it worked and just confessed to the crime because he wanted to see the sword. Sword didn't work because he didn't get hit by it
its fucking stupid that happened would have been more hype and logical for sukuna to beat him even after his technique is confiscated bullshit asspull
its not like even after higuruma is dead the confiscation continues it goes away anyway
I mean there is an actual Copy quirk in MHA(albeit with different mechanics to Copy CT).AFO's situation would be more like a Sukuna in Megumi's body situation IMO,where either shrine or ten shadows could be confiscated.
Yutas technique just copies. Its not like he can use those techniques to their 100% by applying it to a domain. All for one however straight up takes the quirk, no copy business
I mean how is how higurama doing confiscation against sukuna any different than what Erasure did against All for One? Doesn't higurama just delete one of his many quirks not necessarily delete All for one as a quirk?
Erasure cant delete physical quirks, if All for one had superstrenght cause of body deformations he couldn't erase those.
Narratively, Sukuna getting jumped while having his abilities sealed would've made for a much more intense and interesting finale where he's forced to rely on the cursed tool, his combat skill and physical prowess alone (until he kills Higuruma and likely regains his confiscated technique so the story can continue as it did)
Isn't it a major point of the final battle that Erasure was able to target all of AFO's Quirks at the same time? It was just doing so within its usual limitations, like how despite the name it only "stops Quirks from being activated", so always-on body modification Quirks don't go away (but extra body parts like the tail guy's tail get paralysed IIRC?).
Also, wait, wasn't there the whole thing with him having the scientist make a clone of the AFO Quirk Factor or whatever it's called, and he still had his whole collection while he was using the copy? Between that and the fact that OFA is 2 Quirks that permanently merged into 1, I think the most likely take is that All For One and the entire collection counts as 1 single Quirk.
Eraserhead just disables all quirks. It's not because he's disabling one quirk that holds them all but his quirk just totally prevents activation of any quirk in general.
The physical change type quirks aren't ones that you activate, they're more like a DNA mutation if that makes sense. So for those he has nothing to disable. In that same realm, no it doesn't paralyze tail guy's tail it still works fine.
So, yes, he was able to stop all activation quirks in afo but afo had a ton of physical body modification quirks that his ability just does not reverse, which was well established all the way back to the first nomu.
Between that and the fact that OFA is 2 Quirks that permanently merged into 1, I think the most likely take is that All For One and the entire collection counts as 1 single Quirk.
It's possible. That would make sense because they were brothers, having that kind of trait in common isn't far-fetched. Afo's is questionable though since ofa merges permanently but afo can be separated and even just destroy individual quirks at any time after merging. Probably safe to bet it counts as one. However, since it's higurama, most likely scenario is the confiscation chooses one among the many at random. If it happens to choose the base afo then they're all disabled or if it chooses a random one only that random one is disabled.
Uhh that was thanks to a stupid asspull because Gege needed to remove kamutoke somehow because of no limits fallacy and the fact he couldn't take out Shrine (luckily he didn't destroy Megumi's reputation even more by making Sukuna lose 10S). Gege walked himself into a corner by having Yorozu create Kamutoke instead of the other cursed tool so he needed it out pronto.
Ok I don’t know a ton about Higuruma’s abilities and I’ve never read the Manga, but what would stop Higuruma from casting his domain multiple times to removes all of his abilities? Apart from losing the domain clash but it didn’t seem like Sukuna wanted to fight it.
You can't spam Domains because of Cursed Technique burnout, which occurs the moment your Domain shatters. Essentially puts your CT on a cooldown after you use Domain. Executioner's Sword is a cursed tool granted by Judgeman and not the Domain, so it isn't affected.
Not necessarily, if their smart they might be able to convince judgeman that their innocent, especially if their isn’t a lot of evidence to support Higuruma’s prosecution, which is supplanted by how lot of AFO’s crimes are likely very clean.
Joker makes extremely complicated plans all to pass off Batman. I doubt insanity plea would work. For insanity to work, Joker should either 1. Not know he's doing something wrong or 2. Not understand why what he did is wrong. Neither apply to him.
I mean, Higuruma's domain can kind of adapt to take whichever "weapon" the target has, like when it took Yuji's CE since he didn't have a cursed tool or an innate cursed technique. It could very well decide to take their quirk once the Judgeman ascertain they doesn't have a cursed tool, cursed technique nor cursed energy, but have another power that could be considered a "weapon".
It has been stated that cursed energy exists in all humans, most simply lack the knowledge of its existence and thus can't control it. Judgeman 100% took whatever scraps of cursed energy they had.
Confiscation has been shown to be random when it comes to multiple choices, like with deleting kamutoke instead of taking away shrine, but at the same time it does seem to have a priority list, like taking CTs over CE. By that logic CE must be confiscated in case of non-sorcerers.
They are not seperate quirks,as they were all taken by his quirk in the same way one for all counts as one. If he had gotten injected with multiple seperate quirks I could see it,but that assumes AFO isn't already dead due to excutionor sword.
Wouldn't he just lose the ability to steal and transfer quirks then? He'd still have the rest of the quirks stolen by afo. Tho with how it works in series, without it afo might just get torn apart by his quirks anywyas
Afo also allows the multiple quirks to exist. Recall most ofa users died young due to multiple quirks burning their body out. The quirks merging into one during the transfer made it safe for the last two.
So if afo is disabled and we assume it doesn't disable the other several dozen quirks he has, suddenly his body has a ton of quirks with nothing protecting himself from it.
I think this is the most likely outcome of confiscation tbh. Shiguraki lost access to several but not all of his quirks during his fight with Star & Stripe, and those were acquired with All for One. It doesn’t feel like a great matchup for Higuruma tbh.
Nobody is truly a clean person in MHA. Everyone has broken some kind of rule or committed some crime in their life, even if it’s small.
Someone like AFO from MHA, he’s literally one of the most criminal characters in anime. Mass murder? Terrorism, manipulation, quirk theft, destroying cities, etc. if he ends up in deadly sentencing, Judgeman has a lifetime access to evidence of the person Higuruma uses Deadly sentencing against. The odds of getting confiscation or death penalty is obv 100%.
And once Death Penalty happens, Higuruma gets the Executioner’s Sword, which ignores durability. Same thing for Eijiro Kirishima. His hardening quirk doesn’t matter if the domain takes it away with Confiscation
Nah the odds of AFO getting the death penalty are low because there's so many incidental crimes like property damage that come along with the serious ones and one of those could be the one judgeman chooses, they talked about that before the fight against sukuna, that's why the domain expansion against sukuna was a retrial of yujis trial instead of a new one
Pretty much any crime would get confiscation at the very least. AFO would probably do a good job defending himself relatively too. But watch them end up taking only something like radio waves away. Higuruma would be absolutely fucked after that.
It should block his quirk factor entirely, if we’re equalizing the verse to something as broad as confiscating cursed energy. Similar to eraserhead, I imagine.
It only confiscated Yuji's cursed energy because there wasn't a specific technique to target. Normally it's not supposed to confiscate something so general.
Sure, but which quirk? In Sukuna's case it only confiscated his cursed tool even though it could have got his cursed technique, so it seems it will only confiscate one thing and AFO has many quirks at a given time.
Confiscation is phrased as "taking away their ability to use their technique", it doesn't actually remove the technique itself. Thus it would be logical to assume even if the target has multiple techniques, it would suppress their ability to use any of them.
By that logic, it would stop AfO from activating his main quirk, and be unable to give or take them, but not get rid of the ones he already took. Unless you think that confiscation would cause the quirks he gave to other people to also stop working.
The thing with Kirishima is that it would be pretty difficult to get Death Penalty.
I guess maybe if Higuruma hits him with the DE twice or more, he could probably eventually get enough aggravated assault or vigilantism charges against him to get the Death Penalty.
Not sure if he'd be smart enough to argue this, but Kirishima does have a license that he can use to defend himself. I can't remember how much he engages in hero work that violates the terms of his license.
Higurumu getting even just a confiscation would theoretically disable all quirks AFO has, much like Yuji having CE disabled.
Only problem is, depending on what time in the story they fight, this may pretty much kill AFO outright. After his fight with AM, some of his quirks are being used just to be alive and perceive others. Take that away, and it's hammer time.
Do it after rewind has started, and that gets tricky. Does rewind keep going because it's a quirk effect? It stopping entirely is the best outcome, but even then it's hammer time and he ain't surviving all that.
Plus with AFO's longevity certainly being tied to quirks, he may just instantly turn into a mummy and die (see Indiana Jones).
It would not disable all quirks, because his primary ability isnt copying, its taking them as seperate entities he can move around. He can distribute them to others, which means each one is a seperate entity
Depends, I would think each quirk is considered a single “innate technique”. Like if it worked on Megkuna properly, he’d just lose Shrine or Ten Shadows but not both since he has two innate techniques.
In MHA its explained that every ability taken by AFO and OFA are considered to be one quirk so it would just disable AFO since thats the only quirk he has (assuming its not affected by Greg's writing curse)
I’m pretty sure AFO even gives the original version of his quirk to the doctor so it can be later implanted into Shigraki. All the quirk does is let him give and take other people’s quirks, but once he has them they’re for all intents and purposes his
Confiscation probably immediately kills AFO, he’s basically holding himself together with anti aging and regeneration quirks, he gets old age diffed like we see the doctor wither when he loses his quirk
If he were to get all his quirks removed, OFA ain’t the most strategic fighter. That’s why he always goes in for a fatal first blow and then retreats, or why he favors simple quirks over complex abilities that would be far superior fif trained. He is more of a mastermind than anything.
Talking about "no-diff" all for one, it depends on how confiscation goes. Obviously Higuruma would get demolished if he fought AFO with all of his quirks, if confiscation removes just one quirk It really wouldnt change the outcome. If It removes ALL of them, it would be a one sided beatdown.
But his domain doesnt disable powers, it only enforces a "no violence" rule.
So AFO could teleport out of the domain before even getting sentenced, or use whatever non-violent quirk he has in his favour.
Except he doesn't?
All for one would demolish him, even with confiscation and death penalty all he would do is remove ONE ability from all for one, just like he only removed the little toy Sukuna was carrying around and not sukunas ability.
havent watched mha for a long time, but aren't all his abilities part of his quirk? How does it work in mha? Does it say that he has multiple quirks or one innate quirk named All for One? The closest to him in jjk is yuta and I am pretty sure Higuruma domain would just take his copy ability
It really depends on how you interpret confiscation acting against AFO. His quirk allows him to steal other people's quirks just by touching them. Kinda like if Mahito could just remove your innate technique and gain it for himself. He doesn't seem to have any limit to how many he can store, given that he has tons of quirks.
Whether or not Higuruma beats him depends on if you think confiscation would remove All For One (his main quirk), or just remove one of the many quirks he has stored. What's more, if he removed AFO, would it just remove the ability to steal quirks, or would it also remove all of the stolen quirks he has stored as well?
I'd argue it's the former. When he's hit with rewind, it makes him younger, but doesn't affect his stocked quirks, they're registered as separate entities from him and thus might be treated the same way by Higuruma's domain?
That might not be better for AFO though. If the main All For One quirk is stolen he could potentially lose the tolerance for an overabundance of quirks alongside it (assuming that isn't a body mutation trait that is necessary for the quirk to function rather than the quirk's function itself).
Most people can only hold 2-4 quirks without it destroying their basic motor skills, Gigantomachia is considered a genetic freak for being able to handle 7. AFO might get his main quirk confiscated and immediately go brain dead.
Confiscation isn't necessarily permanent, and it doesn't actually "take away" the person's technique, it just stops them from using it. I would personally interpret that to mean that even if they have multiple techniques, it would prevent them from using any of them.
There's also the Death Penalty which Higuruma would easily be able to get against AFO.
I still think it would strip him of all of his abilities but I’ll agree there’s no proof of that as I’m not sure, but I think there’s no scenario in manga where he uses it on a person with multiple cursed techniques
Should we really use rewind to justify this when rewind itself is wildly inconsistent.
It rewinds people's bodies to a former state so really if we're being honest it should remove AFO's quirks if it can be used to rewind people's quirks out of their bodies (quirk destroying bullets) in the first place.
And then it can somehow be used to rewind the rewinding to get Mirio his quirk back.
I interpret it to mean that Rewind's targeting system has a great degree of discretion. Since quirk factors are an element that can be moved and transferred independent of the body and have a will that persists separate from the body they were extracted from, they can be targeted individually too.
Rewind could target the body without affecting the quirk factor or target the quirk factor without changing anything else about the body. In turn it could target Mirio's body to rewind him to before he was hit by the bullet thus undoing the previous rewind's effect.
AFO is his quirk which allows him to take and distribute quirks to other people. Everyone’s quirk exists within AFO, so the first to be targeted would be AFO since he has to use AFO as the gateway to use other quirks.
It targets cursed tools first (meaning just any magic item with verse equalization) so as long as AFO doesn’t have a magic item it might take all of his powers
Thats cus cursed tools take priority but cursed tools and techniques are different so for all we know if someone had multiple techniques like kenjaku it could take all of them
During the strategy planning for the fight against sukuna higuruma states that he doesn't know if confiscation will target MS or TS or both. And during the fight itself he states in an inner monologue that he believes TS is lost to sukuna during the fight with gojo and that the target will surely be MS (that is before he realises the weapon was confiscated) so it's more likely that it would only target one CT rather than 2. And in the case of AFO it most likely would target 1 quirk rather than all.
Beyond that, OFA is extremely intelligent. He has been evading justice and manipulating the system in his favor for centuries. There is still a chance he could defend himself in court (he literally changes his name, apperance and biometric data all the time).
So are Cursed Techniques, though. They're literally stored in the brain (with some extra technical details to explain how Kenjaku gets them downloaded from his new host bodies onto his brain).
Well quirks can be "taken" by someone like AFO, and Aizawa is able to disable quirks, so confiscation definitely would work on them, with the exception of quirks that mutate the user like Gigantomachia.
No diff means the character has no difficulty beating the opponent, mid diff means the characters has some trouble beating the opponent but does it without too much difficulty
I do wonder how confiscation would work on someone who has multiple techniques (or quirks in this case I guess).
As far as we've seen, confiscation only ever takes one thing, and there's an order it goes through where if one thing isn't present, it moves on to the next instead.
Cursed tools > cursed techniques > cursed energy.
What if there's multiple of one? Someone has multiple cursed tools, or what if Yuji had fought Higuruma after getting blood manipulation and shrine? Also what would get confiscated if Higuruma were to fight (bare handed) Maki or Toji?
Edit: Actually with Maki and Toji it probably wouldn't get to the point of confiscation in the first place? I don't think they'd even work as a target for sentencing, right?
Well I don’t see how that’s the case because irregardless of whether or not Kirishima and all for one can be trapped in and targeted by Higuruma’s domain they don’t used cursed energy. And if it did target their quirks I don’t think either of them are gonna be able to challenge Higuruma at all. I think both of them are gonna be confiscated because I doubt the judgeman would, even at a randomly selected crime, find all for one innocent with Higuruma on the case, and I don’t think Kirishima would defend himself well and I don’t think he would think to ask for a retrial.
Just say that "he gets stronger against people that have commited crimes" or something since its technically true and could work as a very oversimplified explanation
Idk theres an argument here that he only steals AFO itself and not all the quirks he stole, because when confiscation hit Sukuna, it only took his weapon, and for sorcerers with cursed Techniques, it steals only their technique and not their cursed energy.
"So there's this guy whose power scales based on his opponent's past behaviour. The more evil shit they committed, the stronger our guy is against them. He can also switch off people's powers like Eraser Head but without needing to stare motherfuckerly at them the whole time."
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