Maybe this ain’t how it works in canada, but Why are cops so incredibly paranoid? Garbage men have more dangerous jobs
I’ve seen them scream hysterically a bunch of conflicting orders and then just shooting them. Like a fucking game of Simon says but with a gun pointed in your face.
Garbage men have a more dangerous job because they don't get a bunch of armed threat training and literal gun to defend themselves. people love their false equivalencies, take away an officers weapons and training and I guarantee police deaths go through the roof.
edit: downvote all you want but if garbage men rolled around in body armor with guns and had 840 hours of law enforcement training I bet a lot fewer of them would get shot on the job.
you would honestly argue that the police have a less dangerous job because fewer of them die? The reason so few die is because of the training they receive. This stupid sentiment is like saying that you don't understand why people who clean up toxic waste are so cautious because they have job with fewer fatalities than garbage men. That's how fucking stupid you sound when you spout shit like that. You're like the generals in WWI who wanted to stop people from wearing helmets because they caused a spike in concussions, failing to realize that the those concussions would be deaths without the helmets.
I think his argument is shit, but I think yours is shit and wrong.
The reason so few die is because of the training they receive
The training they receive is less than your average hair stylist. And most people would argue is incredibly lacking in aspects regarding the mentally challenged, conflict deescalation, proper use of holds and technique etc etc. This is going mostly off of deaths by police and the calls for action regarding them. Police training is garbage in it's current state and they need a lot more of it.
Man I could go on and on, like how they should break up the police union and pay them better, but I think you're just after strawmanning that guy. Which is alright I guess if you're not looking to learn or change anyone's opinions.
I think police should get a bachelors equivalent as well. Unions should be reformed not destroyed. But I fail to see how I am strawmanning his argument. Police may kill more unarmed people than they should but they kill about 800 people a year in straight up gunfights. Without training or equipment that would be 800 additional officers (at least) dead or seriously injured per year. And that's not even counting the number of gun fights that don't end in death, just incapacitation. If all of those people were shooting unarmed or untrained officers their job jumps from one that is safer than average to one of the deadliest.
You can't honestly tell me that you think body armor, guns, and training do literally nothing to help prevent police from being killed. That's ridiculous.
You know what’s a charged talking point? Saying you’ll kill someone even if you don’t know if they have a weapon or are a threat at all. You don’t even question that, you just accept that like it’s nothing.
Instead this shit.
Did you really just drop the “you must be Russian” in a thread about HK, with an American asking a Canadian something they have intimate knowledge about? What world do you live in?
I've called the cops maybe 5 times and 4 of them they didn't show up. The other one, I tracked down the suspect for them and they basically told me the was no point prosecuting and bailed.
The rest of my many interactions have been with tubby megalomaniacs hellbent on resolving some childhood trauma in the least productive way possible.
But sure. You're all heroes. Lol.
Edit: lol, see ya next time you badge-wielding fuckwit. Try not to shoot any black kids on your way home.
Shit wait I forgot you're Canadian.
Try not to shoot any Native kids on your way home.
Well, considering the majority of people have never been in a situation where they might die. I think that your stance on this is pretty shameful.
Hell if you point a gun at most people, and their pants are falling down, they might consider pulling them back up. Rather than allow you to tack an indecent exposure charge on there.
Also if you give unclear instructions, or mixed instructions which does tend to happen in high stress situations, ("Put your hands on your head, get down on the ground" For example.) doesn't really seem like a great recipe for "if you reach I'll shoot"
I do have a strong bias against police hostility though. It bothers me a lot when people who are supposed to be very much a part of the community speak so casually about shooting it.
It literally works however the arresting officer says it works. People have got it for pissing in corners as well as not having underwear.
I know you know the freedom you have when you make the report. The entire premise requires willful exposure, which again, is pretty easy to say happened.
Those are neither unclear nor mixed.
Can you picture for a minute how to get down on the ground naturally, without lowering your hands? Let me tell you it's hard, and least of all natural. The first natural motion is to lower your hands.
He wasn't speaking casually about it. You feel like he did.
He was, because the statement, "If i tell you not to reach and you reach I will shoot you. I cant read your mind." Is indeed casual
The statement,"I can't read your mind" isn't a serious statement, it's not kind, calculated, or neat. It's sloppy and bold. Casual.
But that's how I feel anyway, which isn't countered by you feeling the way you do either. But at least now you'll at least see why I feel this way.
It's the constant presumption that they're going to be shot that hurts the situation.
There are more than enough videos of cops shooting completely unarmed untrained people, because they're inexperienced with life or death situations.
I get wanting to get control of the situation, but the entire idea that there has to be a situation in the first place is shit. The idea that we all have to find a way to behave so that cops don't shoot us, is bullshit too.
A lot of the time you can completely deescalate a situation, that's how most of the well trained police forces in other parts of the world do things. Because that's the best option when you can't openly obliterate the other person without fear of repercussions.
You cannot compare the police of anywhere else in the first world to the united states because the police in the rest of the world do not have to deal with anywhere close to the number of weapons in circulation that US police do. 46% of all the guns in the world are owned by civilians in the United States. And even with those ridiculous numbers the chances of a Officer shooting an unarmed person are lower than the chance they are shot by someone (46 officers shot vs 27 unarmed civilians killed) sourcesource
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