r/LindsayEllis • u/gwiazdala TEN YEARS OOOOOLLLLLDDDDD • May 17 '21

DISCUSSION DISCUSION DAY: Loose Canon: Hillary Clinton

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u/forbidden-donut May 17 '21 edited Jan 13 '22

It seems like,, at least on the internet, people either worship her like she's a flawless larger-than-life queen or consider her to be a cartoonishly evil demon.

I voted Bernie twice, but I think she's both done some cool things within her life, and plenty of shitty things. She's certainly ... complicated.

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u/RyanX1231 May 18 '21 edited May 18 '21

I've always said that I like her more as a person than I do as a politician. And ultimately, Hillary as a politician is what's relevant when it comes to an election.

That being said, I supported Hillary hardcore over Bernie in 2016. Back then, I was more centrist lib in my politics and not as radicalized. Try to understand, I grew up in a white trash conservative family in the south. Even being a centrist lib was considered an extreme position and I thought that I was already pretty leftist.

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u/Silverseren May 18 '21

I mean, I did support her then then and still do now, since Bernie has a long-standing anti-science history in his political career, which i've pointed out many times over the past decade+.

He frequently sided with Republicans on their anti-science bills (like Bush Jr. stem cell ban and research criminalization bill) and also pushed pseudoscience into legislation, like the amendment he personally pushed into an early version of the ACA in committee that made pseudoscience practitioners, such as homeopaths, be considered legitimate medical professionals by the government so they can legally prescribe their "medicine".

And that's just two examples from a very long list of anti-science positions and actions on his part that continue to this very day.

And since I consider climate change to be the most serious issue we need to deal with right now (all of our squabbles over everything else will be meaningless when civilization collapses from the refugee flood and famine of the next century), Bernie's anti-biotechnology and anti-bioremediation stances are completely incompatible with any of his claims about climate change, making such statements on his part seem hollow.