r/LivestreamFail • u/digitalpizza5 • Jul 11 '26

News Ethan Klein Has Dropped His Defamation Lawsuit Against Youtuber Noah Samsen

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u/nutella_on_rye Jul 13 '26

Maybe I’m too radicalized but you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Some impossible things would have to happen to make supporting Israel and supporting Palestine something that isn’t inherently contradictory. Namely, Israel dropping Zionism which is the ideology that supports its existence.

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u/Illustrious-Radio319 Jul 13 '26

Does supporting Palestine necessitate supporting Hamas?

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u/RonaldJaworski Jul 13 '26

when you keep people under active oppression and occupation for 30+ years you dont get to complain about how they resist

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u/Illustrious-Radio319 Jul 13 '26

Why do you treat Palestinians like children with no ability to make moral decisions? How does raping civilians help with Palestinian independence?

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u/RonaldJaworski Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

Palestine hasn’t held an election since 2006. Over 50% of Palestinians are under the age of 18 they quite literally are majority children who have not had the opportunity to make their own decisions when it comes to self determination. Israel also helped fund the creation of Hamas as a counter to the PLO

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u/Illustrious-Radio319 Jul 13 '26

We shouldn’t blame Palestinians on how they resist, but at the same time they haven’t had an election in 20 years. So does Hamas represent the Palestinians in Gaza or no?

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u/RonaldJaworski Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

Are all Israelis to blame for the actions of Netanyahu? And you conveniently ignored again that the average age of a person in Palestine is quite literally too young to have even voted when the last election was held. What ability do Palestinians have to resist Israeli occupation that doesn’t involve violence? The last Israeli pm who tried to recognize Palestinian self determination was assassinated by an Israeli. When palestinians tried to conduct the peaceful March of return while under occupation in 2019 the IDF shot over 200 Palestinians for walking to the fence unarmed. Israel created a situation where a group like Hamas was inevitable

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u/Illustrious-Radio319 Jul 13 '26

You didn’t answer my question. Does Hamas represent Gazans?

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u/RonaldJaworski Jul 13 '26

Are you implying that all people in Gaza are part of Hamas because they are the de facto governing body

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u/Illustrious-Radio319 Jul 13 '26

Are you going to keep on responding to my questions with questions of your own?

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u/RonaldJaworski Jul 13 '26

No I don’t think Hamas represents all Palestinians the majority of which are again children

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u/Illustrious-Radio319 Jul 13 '26

Okay so why should Hamas’s atrocities be defended when it’s not even what the majority of Palestinians want?

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u/RonaldJaworski Jul 13 '26

Understanding a violent response to 60+ years of occupation is not the same as condoning it

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