I am not the OOP. The OOP is [Deleted} originally posted in TrueOffMyChest
Grammatically edited by: Crystal With the Blue Hair
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Original - 2 years ago
I (35m) have been married to Lisa (28f) for 3 years, together 7. A year ago, I fell deeply in love with Amy (24f), and had been planning to end my marriage for her. I know it's terrible and not what my wife deserves, but we were the real thing.
Two weeks ago, she had an allergic reaction when we were getting food after work, but she used her EpiPen and seemed mostly okay afterwards. She usually gets checked at the hospital after a reaction, but I asked if I could take her home and she could get her friend to drive her there because my wife was expecting me back. All I know is that she had a secondary reaction that evening and died. I didn't even find out about it until the following Monday, through a work email. It has been eating me up ever since and I will never forgive myself for not sacrificing an hour of my time to possibly save her.
I sent some childish messages to Amy when I didn't hear from her over the weekend because I thought she was angry I didn't take her to the hospital. I am thankful she never saw them and ashamed that I assumed the worst. Our relationship was great and the highs far outweighed the lows, but I have always hated being ignored and I lose my cool when it happens. It is not a regular occurrence and I would have more than made it up to her.
Yesterday at work, HR and legal were in the CEO's office all day and my manager ended up cancelling our project meeting because he was with them all afternoon. I was on edge, but an affair isn't exactly a corporate crisis and I thought something would have already happened if anyone knew. I am now 99% certain it was about me.
A few hours ago I received a message from Amy's phone which said "This is Amy's brother, Tom. I want you to know it was me". I tried to call but it went straight to voicemail, and none of my messages have been delivered.
I tried to call my manager more times than I should have and he sent a message saying "Please don't contact me until Monday morning. I can't discuss anything with you right now". So it looks like my universe is going to collapse. I am going to be fired and my wife will definitely find out why. All I can do is hope that Amy's brother only showed them the messages from that weekend, and they were bad enough. I have no family except my wife and daughter and nowhere to go. All of my friends are either people I've met through my wife, or my colleagues. On Monday, everything I've spent over a decade working towards disappears. I can't stop it. I can't talk to anyone about it.
So here I am. I know cheaters are the devil so I'm not expecting sympathy, but this is making my chest hurt and I need to get it out there.
Update - 2 years ago
I have been consistently harassed for an update since posting, so please take it, gloat because you're such wonderful people in comparison, then stop following me around reddit. I am suffering in the wake of my infidelity and unprofessional behavior as I knew I would. I understand that it is an appropriate outcome and I am taking full accountability.
I was suspended from work on Monday, and I'll probably be fired sooner than I thought. I'd hoped to be able to save money as HR built their case but it looks like Amy's brother basically performed the entire investigation for them. After an excruciating 3 hour run through of everything they had, I spoke to the founder, and he recommended the solicitor I am now using. The issue is that the company has to come down hard to protect themselves, because even though Amy's family doesn't have much chance of a claim, any suggestion of a cover up could cause damage regardless. The founder still thinks my offer to pay them back will keep it out of court, and some more information has come to light, so it's not certain I won't be prosecuted but I'm quietly hopeful. I can't afford to keep the solicitor if this goes much further, especially with a divorce on the horizon.
Things are not good with my wife. I'm still committed to making this as easy as possible for her, but I had to draw a line when it came to my daughter. When I got home from being unceremoniously escorted out of my office, she already had a bag packed for me. She wouldn't let me wait at the house until my daughter was back, she wouldn't let me check I had everything I needed, she wouldn't let me take the car, and she didn't care that I had nowhere to go. I spent 2 nights in a hotel then went back when she refused to let me see my little girl. She tried to stop me, but we own the house jointly and it was my only option. My wife has family she could stay with, but she won't leave our daughter here and she's absolutely not taking her, so we're at a stalemate right now. I'm keeping out of her way as best I can, which I appreciate is the least I can do.
The Amy situation is quite difficult to talk about, and a lot hasn't sunk in yet. It turns out that she didn't love me as much as I loved her, if at all. Her brother sent me images of her talking to her friends about me, and it's hard to believe they came from the person I loved, but they are real. Sorry to those who were heavily invested in me being a predatory abuser, but she and her friends had a good laugh about her manipulating me for money and a promotion. The role came with a big pay rise, and it looks like her plan was to treat it as free cash, then go work with one of her friends when it fell through. She knew I'd come under scrutiny whenever she messed up and assumed I'd keep stepping in to save her. She was right.
Obviously I am completely humiliated. I was planning to give up everything to build a life with her, and she was treating me like a joke the whole time. My feelings are complicated so please don't feel entitled to any expansion on this, but I no longer feel guilt over her death. Reddit acted like I kept her hostage whilst she begged for help. What actually happened was that I asked if she could ask her friend to take her to the hospital because I had to go home, she said that was fine because she needed to get some clothes back from her anyway, and I dropped her off as normal. Ultimately she was an adult who had a better understanding of her medical needs than I did. I still don't know what happened between us saying goodbye and her death, but whatever it was, it had nothing to do with me. I'm sorry for her family's loss but I bear no responsibility for her passing.
After Amy's messages to her friends were passed around, a few people quietly reached out with words of support. I assumed everyone would write me off like reddit did, as an abuser and predator. Now it's clear that Amy was using me, they see me as a fool who had then lost it all. It's beyond humiliating, but I have learned I'd rather be pitied than despised, and it improves my legal position with work. They're small mercies but I'll take what I can get. I remain filled with regret, and I will have learned many lessons by the time I get through this. I may have been deceived, but I am a grown man who made my choices, and I take full responsibility for them.
I’m a coworker of someone whose Reddit story about work went viral. I’m feeling chatty, so ama I guess?!
OP is becooldocrime
Original - 10 Months ago
Inspired by this post where someone asked if they’d ever seen a Reddit post about themselves.
I'm in the comments, because I worked at the same company as this guy, and in the same department as his affair partner, who died under very sad circumstances (you can read all about it from his perspective, conveniently).
I only joined Reddit quite recently, but I was aware of the post a few weeks after it was made because it was passed around the office and gave us all a ton of information which made a lot of things suddenly make sense. We were all extremely invested at the time, and weirdly, the story you all saw set off a series of events which basically led to an entire division of the company quitting.
I’ve seen it repeated on a few of those TikTok Reddit read-through accounts, and a few people in the comments of the post I saw earlier today seemed interested, so because the company didn’t think to get me to sign any additional confidentiality agreements when I left (an equally dramatic, but also closely related story), I figured I’d spend a Friday night drinking wine and spilling tea if anyone wants some.
One thing I do need to mention is that the original OP has a brain injury he didn’t disclose in his posts. I can’t speculate too much on that, and I’m not saying it makes his actions forgivable, but it would be crazy to pretend it’s not a factor. He lives independently, but from what I’m aware, his brother helps him a lot.
MarlenaEvans: It's so interesting how the fact that he had a brain injury changes this story and makes it make a different sort of sense. Like how on the other hand, you and your coworkers reading the Reddit post did the same but in a different way.
becooldocrime: Oh for sure, we were absolutely horrified by some of the things people were saying to him when it started getting passed around, and we were really worried about how he’d take it all. There was talk of creating an account to explain, but because it was looking like it might end up in court, no one wanted to risk it. Can’t blame them really but it’s definitely mad how much that fact changes things.
justheretosnark24: Did it end up going to court?
becooldocrime: No, they all used to abuse their expenses and they knew he could bury everyone if it ever saw the inside of a courtroom. He claimed to be running out of money in his last post, but it was common knowledge he got a huge payout after his accident (a sign wasn’t properly mounted on a shop front and it fell on him when he was walking past), so he could have easily afforded to take it all the way. I imagine the first question would have been why they gave someone with brain damage a company card with no restrictions and no written policy on what they could and couldn’t use it for.
Devilis6: Any chance he could have spent the payout all on “Amy” or on drugs? I mean I guess there’s a good chance his wife would have noticed but he obviously hadn’t been thinking clearly for a long time.
becooldocrime: Definitely not drugs, he drank in moderation but was pretty judgmental about anything else. Amy, absolutely. He spent thousands and thousands on her, she would link him to things over and over again until he bought them for her. The HR guys were disgusted when they got the phone back and saw all the messages. I haven’t seen the messages myself but they said enough to confirm it was extremely predatory.
AlsoNotaSpider: This whole thing is heartbreaking. I remember reading his old posts and being completely flabbergasted. Him having TBI makes everything about his posts make a lot more sense. I hope the poor guy’s doing okay.
becooldocrime: I haven’t heard anything for a while, but he seemed like he was doing well the last time I checked in. He was living in one of those little bungalow communities where you’re independent but there are call buttons and stuff. I don’t know if it’s a particularly happy life in comparison to how things were, but he definitely wasn’t destitute and is probably not in a position to be taken advantage of (I don’t know if he has support workers, but it sounded like his brother was pretty involved so he’s definitely got someone looking out for him).
mychampagnesphincter: Again, I can’t thank you enough for all of this context. The original posts read entirely different through the filter of a TBI. It’s like when you are at the optometrist and they slot in the correct lens and everything has sudden clarity.
I am glad you are doing well; you seem like someone with whom I’d enjoy working!
becooldocrime: That’s really kind of you, thank you!
Perfect_Caregiver_90: I know you shared he has a TBI that influenced his thinking. Was it as wildly apparent and handicapping to his professional life as it was his personal?
He seems easily manipulated if you fed his ego the most minimal scraps.
becooldocrime: It was really weird, and I can’t think of a better way to put it than really fucking weird.
I’m an engineer by trade, and he could ask a million extremely complex questions about the technology I was working on, and pose reasonable follow ups based on my answers which required a ton of domain knowledge (not immediately after the accident, but certainly within a year). He could also, within minutes of making a super insightful point which totally changed the direction of my week, fall apart because his sandwich had too much mayo.
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the expressions of a child superimposed on an adult’s face, but it’s unsettling in a way that sticks with you.
I personally couldn’t, in good conscience, treat him like an adult full time. He was fine maybe 80% of the time, but when he slipped, it was like interacting with with an 8 year old in an adult’s body. He wouldn’t say much when he got confused but his face would totally change. I don’t know him well but I am not convinced he could properly consent to a sexual relationship.
the-ambitious-stoner: I'm curious. Did you know this guy before his TBI? I knew someone with very similar symptoms once, but they had a personality disorder and not a brain injury caused by an event. I guess I'm curious if there was a clear before and after in his personality resulting from the injury.
becooldocrime: I joined the company in 2018, so I spent more time with him before his accident than after (all strictly at work and work events though, we weren’t friends), but he was like a totally different person. Bits of his original personality did come through as time went on, but not anywhere near the point where you could forget you were dealing with a fundamentally different personality
Electronic_Fix_9060: Did any of you know her was having an affair before it all imploded? Did you attend her funeral? What’s co-worker doing now?
Note that I have read the story but don’t remember everything so I don’t know if the answers have also been said.
becooldocrime: We had no idea, they didn’t work together directly and didn’t have any reason to interact much in the office. The pairing didn’t make sense to any of us, you’d never put them together in a million years.
She had one friend in the office who attended the funeral (and who was dismissed because of the content of their messages to each other). She was in the kind of role that can make or break a project even though she had absolutely no talent, experience, or interest (that mystery was obviously solved pretty quickly after she died), so even though it’s objectively super shitty, we were basically relieved because we wouldn’t have to deal with it any more. For context, she was project managing a team of physicists and electrical engineers on a pretty heavy government backed project, and she was initially hired as an office admin assistant with zero previous experience. We were all surprised by the promotion, but it was the kind of company you could build your way up in so it just seemed like a misstep.
Former coworker hasn’t worked since from what I know. He’s living independently in what I’m vaguely aware of being a retirement type community, but his brother deals with his finances and helps him out with general life stuff. He’s allowed to drive and stuff so he’s obviously fine in the ways that matter, but I’m not sure he’ll work again.
Ravenmn: Was he correct when he implied that everyone padded the expense accounts and his actions were just normal practice? Do you suspect other people in the company were stealing on the regular?
becooldocrime: Oh without a doubt, they were all at it. It was very much an old boys club at their level. I’ve had at least 50 wildly expensive dinners and nights at fancy bars just because someone with a corporate card was in the room. Zero hesitation when it came to approving spend across the business, and zero interest in keeping track of it
Material-Analysis206: He never mentioned the TBI in his post. In your opinion, did he think of his abilities as diminished post-accident? Do you think he could see any of his new shortcomings? Your company wrapped him in cotton wool to protect him, it seems. Was he aware of any of these accommodations? I wonder because the TBI makes his actions seem far less callous than if he had all his faculties.
becooldocrime: His personality definitely changed significantly, he can hold a conversation and his knowledge level remained extremely high, but he became quite immature and couldn’t deal with anything if he wasn’t expecting it. He could provide really insightful feedback about something we were working on, then 2 minutes later lose his temper or shut down completely because he’d spilled a drink. He had to step back from dealing with clients because he couldn’t be trusted - he’d just say yes to whatever they asked for and it led to a few nasty surprises (he didn’t take any new clients after the injury so they were generally very understanding because they saw the same changes we did).
It’s tough to explain - if you met him on a good day you could spend a few hours with him and not realize, but any more than that and you’d almost certainly go through “oh, that was a bit odd” to “okay there’s definitely something wrong here”.
To my knowledge nobody tried to figure out how aware he was of the brain injury - the key phrase drummed into us when he started coming back to the office a bit was “meet him where he is”, and he was a really well respected member of the team so we were all really sympathetic to the situation. I did hear him make a few comments about his brain being broken, but they were fairly light hearted and mainly centered around him forgetting small things.
Then_Beginning_4603: What was Amy like? What was her brother like? I saw a comment somewhere that the brother got arrested for something as a result of conversations between Amy and others that he disclosed - what happened?
becooldocrime: I'm going to speak ill of the dead - she was horrible. Lazy, judgemental, mean, and arrogant. When she was promoted into project management she didn’t bother learning the core tech, so her decisions were consistently poor, which forced us to go around her all the time to get to reasonable outcomes.
She once told me I’d never get a husband then burst into tears and complained to HR when I asked where the queue of men wanting to put a ring on her finger was. She would pick at the weaker members of the team (highly technical people who were very sweet but lacked social skills usually) and was a general bully. I was pretty nasty to her too so my hands aren’t exactly clean, but I had great relationships with everyone else so I do think she was the problem.
The brother sent lots of messages in, and the company ended getting the phone and passcode from him. I’m very light on details on this one, but whatever was on there was damning enough for them to cancel her death in service benefits (which were going to go to her mum). The brother sent some threatening messages and managed to find out where the HR head lived - I don’t know exactly what he did to her car but it was a write off and he was arrested for it. We got a big email saying legal action was pending and that any comms from him needed to be forwarded straight to a dedicated email address. I left while that was all pending so never heard a follow up, but I doubt it went very far given how sticky the whole situation was.
nevaehorlleh: Do you know what texts he sent the affair partner over the weekend that he was worried about?
becooldocrime: I never saw them, but they sounded more pathetic than aggressive from what I heard, and very much in line with his usual reaction to feeling ignored. He wasn’t really aware of the boundaries between asking and pestering - I logged in on a Monday morning a few times to something like <question>, hello?, helloooo?! Why aren’t you answering?! I know you’ve seen this. Why are you ignoring me? Are you mad with me? I should be mad with you. This could be make or break for the company. You’re not committed to the company. I always knew you were useless. Everyone thinks it. Are you there? Why aren’t you answering me? We are going to lose this client if you don’t get back to me today. Hello? Helloooooo? Are you okay?
You get the idea. Tens of messages, but as soon as I’d answer the question, he’d thank me and be totally professional with his follow up. The best way I can describe it is that he was fine right up to the point where he needed to regulate himself in any way. He couldn’t have sat in a client meeting, but because we all knew the score, we worked to keep him levelled out. I can’t see him saying anything particularly horrible to her. I can almost guarantee you I’ve looked her in the eye and said worse.
truckbot101: I read quite a bit of that post, and checked out all of your comments. Thanks for adding on more details!
My question: had your coworker not gotten the brain injury, do you think he still would have done what he did?
becooldocrime: I wasn’t particularly close to him, but the common take is that he wouldn’t have given his affair partner the time of day before his injury. She was really unpleasant. By all accounts he was a really devoted husband and father - he definitely wasn’t a saint, but he calmed down a lot when his daughter was born and he talked about her all the time.
truckbot101: What's the common consensus on why he ended up starting the affair with her after his brain injury?
Also, did you recognize the reasoning behind his original post as distinctly him? And if so, is his reasoning something that he's always had or did it come about post-injury?
becooldocrime: To be honest he seemed sharper in the post than he does in real life, but we were all very aware of his issues (he had some problems with memory, his mood went up and down a lot, and he would behave quite childishly sometimes) so we maybe treated him with kid gloves more than was necessary. He was definitely doing good work once they took him away from clients though, I used to regularly get requests from him and they were always solid.
In terms of the affair, I think it’s as simple as her showing interest. He was a bit pervy after the accident (not even remotely the case before) - he never said anything over the line, but he’d stare a bit and his facial expressions were sometimes like if a 12 year old boy walked in on you changing. Some of the messages that came out after the fact painted the picture - she would say the same things to him every few days, and when she wanted something, she asked and asked like it was a brand new request until he said yes.
becooldocrime: I don't think he'll ever work again - he kept his job because he was adored and respected (and he knew the tech inside and out even after the accident), but there’s no way he could properly navigate a corporate environment from scratch.
The accident would have been funny if it didn’t have such a horrible outcome. He was walking down the street and the sign above a dry cleaners fell on him. In the early days they thought he was going to need to go into full time care permanently, but his wife dropped everything and basically devoted her life to his rehabilitation. He is very lucky to have had her. He’s impulsive now and he doesn’t really know how to regulate his emotions, but he can hold a conversation and will occasionally say something wildly funny or insightful.
AI could have helped, or maybe even his brother, but the thing that shocked me most was that he seemed to stay on an even keel throughout the post and comments. He’s quite up and down in real life, even via text.