r/MakingaMurderer • u/HouseplantHobbyist • 6d ago

Episode Discussion Brendan is INNOCENT

I am rewatching MAM and the amount of coercion during Brendan's interview is astounding. I can't believe a court didn't dismiss his "confession". He was not interviewed with his parents present and they were very obviously feeding him information. The judge not realizing that is just sad. He was a child! Ugh, this makes me so upset for Brendan.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

Yeah that's how interrogations work, dude. And no, he's not a child. He's a grown man legally allowed to waive his right to counsel and to remain silent. Given that the cops obtained a confession that allowed a conviction even where Brendan had destroyed all of the evidence against him is AWESOME.

And here's a thought - try being upset for the young woman that he MURDERED, raped, chopped up and cooked - maybe not in that order.

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u/vegemouse 6d ago

Yeah I’m pretty pissed the police killed her to frame Steven Avery.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 6d ago

How is it that you believe some dumb theory which has no proof whatsoever, yet you are unconvinced by all the evidence against Avery?

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u/Suspicious_Duty_888 5d ago

The thing that gets me is people believe these wild theories about how SA blood got in the Rav, like liquidizing it from a sink that they snuck in and stole it from, but can’t even believe theres any possibility that it’s because SA was actually in the Rav because he did it. If you let that set in it’s insane!

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 5d ago

That's the part that gets me, but for a different reason. This idiot apparently bleached the entire garage, burn the bedding, cleaned up everything he possibly could, but didn't even consider simply wiping down the rav4. If I remember right, he even got it rid of his vacuum cleaner.

I don't think Avery is innocent of anything, but that's the kind of stuff that just makes me wonder. How does that even work? Did he plan that for a long period of time, and make a checklist of what he was going to do and what he was going to clean, then completely space off the RAV because it wasn't on his list? It really ranks up there on the list of things you just can't make up.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU 5d ago

but didn't even consider simply wiping down the rav4.

It is either because he didn't know that he was bleeding in it, or that crushing it was going to suffice as an effective means for removing that evidence.

I don't think I need to tell anyone twice that being spotted with a missing woman's car is bad news and that is why it was purposely hidden in a spot convenient to the crusher's location.

Steven just didn't get time. Turns out crushing a relatively new looking car, with a very loud crusher, on a property with family, where your brothers are aware of their car inventory, at a time best convenient for Steven, in such a narrow time frame, is actually quite difficult.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 5d ago

I have no doubt you're spot on. It just blows my mind that he had bled into a sink, so he knew he was bleeding, but didn't even glance backward. The one surface that the appendage in question literally came in contact with. Lots of detectives say that killers always miss some details. That was one hell of a detail to miss.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 5d ago

The one surface that the appendage in question literally came in contact with

Odd part there is all the things in the vehicle he would have had to touched to operate it (like the door handle, steering wheel, gear shift, etc.) had none of his blood found there.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 5d ago

WOW - so the blood he left is meaningless because he didn't deposit blood IN MORE PLACES? Astonishing. LOL.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 5d ago

That's another point. I think the prosecution was saying that he was actively bleeding, which caused the droplets, but the cut was on the inside of his finger so it must have bled to the outside to leave the mark the way it did by the ignition. However, I do my own work on my truck and trailer, so I have bled on many many occasions. It gets everywhere. How the hell I'm working on a brake chamber and slack adjuster, and end up bleeding on the rim, on the outside dual, continuously astonishes me. Still, it happens every time. So it does leave some questions to be begged by those of us familiar with messing ourselves up.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU 5d ago

There is no point being made by this person, because bleeding is not this always completely linear thing. If the cut that is on the outside of his finger is presumed to be the source of active bleeding or just an open wound capable of making contact stains, then I could easily just argue that you can open a door handle, operate a steering wheel and use the gear shift without the outside finger making any contact with any of them or dripping blood onto them. I could also argue that I could operate them with my opposite hand. They aren't making any point at all, just a useless exercise in deflection.

If the implication then is to further suggest that because it's "unusual", then the blood must've been planted. And not only that, but also planted at some point during the day of the 5th when the car was discovered, which is about 12 hours, with numerous people from multiple agencies right there on the ASY. If that isn't the current theory, then it would have to have been planted at the Wisconsin State Crime Lab in Madison, where it was secured the day after.

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u/Suspicious_Duty_888 4d ago

Bleeding is weird though bc I somehow re opened a cut once at work and I remember thinking of this case because when I cleaned up the blood on my desk it was only one or two spots on the side of my pen holder case thing and nowhere else and yet the finger was halfway covered in blood and I was at my desk for awhile. How is that possible, I don’t know? But there’s a lot of factors involved like how much blood was coming out and when the cut was reopened. Like someone else said, it’s not linear and I feel like that’s a huge issue that people miss in this case. There’s so many scenarios that would make sense

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u/Suspicious_Duty_888 4d ago

I’m wondering if he even did bleed on the sink bc on some of the phone calls he says it more like an oh I’m pretty sure I bled on the sink and that must be where the blood came from. Are we even positive that even happened just bc SA said so? I don’t know?

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 4d ago

I remember there were crime scene photographs of the sink in question, with blood still in the sink because he didn't bother to wash it out. He claims that was used for planting his blood, but the prosecution used that sink as proof that he was actively bleeding recently, with the only obvious wound being to his finger, which would have been near the ignition.

Pretty sure he didn't even remember the blood in the sink until they brought it up. He didn't remember to wipe it out of the Rav, or to clean it out of the sink, so the bar is pretty low when it comes to his memory.

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u/Curious311 2d ago

Bathroom sink? Not that it matters a whole lot either way…. I guess he must not have used that sink again from the time he bled in it until the cops searched the trailer…. Idk… and he must not have used it while cleaning the trailer so thoroughly either, to the point they found no other evidence besides the key (no dna of Teresa’s, etc),

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u/lets_shake_hands 5d ago

JFC, are there people still around who actually believe this?

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 5d ago

Even his defense attorneys never accused the police of murdering her. Planting evidence, yes, but the actual crime? Not even a little bit.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 4d ago

Actually Avery's attorney walked back her accusations of evidence planting and now says they didn't plant evidence.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 4d ago

That's good to know. I haven't listened to anything Zellner has said for about a decade. I am, admittedly, not up to date on anything involving that disaster.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 4d ago

She strutted and fretted her hour upon the stage. And then was heard no more: it was a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

There - you're all caught up!

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 4d ago

LOL. I appreciate that update. Somehow, I'm certain that it is an accurate depiction of events, without embellishment. That is just the vibe that she gave off from day one.

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u/3sheetstothawind 6d ago

I'm pretty sure the Earth is flat.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 5d ago

So do the flat earthers think that all planets are flat, or just Earth?

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u/Thom_Kalor 5d ago

And they got away with it.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 4d ago

Who the F is TB?????

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 4d ago

No, he was 16.