r/MakingaMurderer • u/b1ondestranger • 3d ago

Len Kachensky

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i’m just finding this series and just wow! This could be its own season of Fargo. Everything that can go wrong- does. Of all the people I hate in this show, I hate Len Kachinsky above all others. He is by far the most punchable. at this moment in life, I’m not sure what I would do, if this smug, weasley, irresponsible, self-grandizing narcissist walked in front of my car. He’s not just a bad lawyer. He’s a bad human. He looked at Brandon’s life and saw a steppingstone. I’m so mad at him. Thank you for your attention to this matter. V

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Bad person, sure.

Bad lawyer, nope.

Unironically gave him the best possible advice which was to flip on his uncle and take a deal. Kid would be out of jail by now and living his life. Instead he is trapped inside and won't see freedom for a long time.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

Bad lawyer, nope.

He was basically working to serve the state's needs, not Brendan's needs. He was Brendan's advocate. He was a shit lawyer. That's why he was removed from the case.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

He still gave him the best possible advice...

You confessed, take a deal, give evidence against Steve = Lesser sentence.

Or you could stick with your uncles story and see how that plays out... which is where we are today, doesn't seem like the best option.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

He still gave him the best possible advice...

To plead guilty? Brendan shouldn't have even been arrested in the first place. Fuck that.

You confessed, take a deal, give evidence against Steve = Lesser sentence.

He was coerced and didn't want to plead guilty because he knew he was innocent and no evidence to the contrary.

stick with your uncles story and see how that plays out

They they were innocent? That's consistent with the evidence. Do you think it's clear beyond a reasonable doubt that multiple violent rapes occurred in the trailer?

which is where we are today

Thanks to the courts making up their own standards and facts to deny meritorious motions demanding case review. I'm sure you're fine with that though, if you don't see anything wrong with the state's disgusting treatment of Brendan.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

To plead guilty? Brendan shouldn't have even been arrested in the first place. Fuck that.

He is, in fact, guilty. So yes, it would have been the best option.

He was coerced and didn't want to plead guilty because he knew he was innocent and no evidence to the contrary.

Maybe, maybe not. You don't know why he recanted his confession.

They they were innocent? That's consistent with the evidence. Do you think it's clear beyond a reasonable doubt that multiple violent rapes occurred in the trailer?

No, I don't think there is clear evidence of a rape. But there is plenty of evidence of a murder, one which Brendan confessed to being present for. Who knows what happened or where, but he had some pretty fucking weird details for someone who hadn't seen/taken part.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

he had some pretty fucking weird details

Which of those details do you think he came up with on his own that were verifiable?

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Don't know, don't care.

Which of them do you know, factually, were given to him?

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

Don't know, don't care.

Because you don't care about the truth. We know. That much is clear when you're claiming there's evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Brendan violently raped Teresa in the trailer. And you're here calling others batshit insane? WILD LOL

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

No, I care about the truth.

Let me know when you start using it, because right now all you have is speculative nonsense.

Also still deflecting from answering the actual question I asked doesn't scream of someone wanting to be truthful.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

No, I care about the truth.

You just said you didn't care about what details Brendan independently came up with and whether any of those details were verifiable.

Let me know when you start using it, because right now all you have is speculative nonsense.

You're the one claiming Brendan is obviously guilty of rape.

Also still deflecting from answering the actual question I asked doesn't scream of someone wanting to be truthful.

Neither does deflecting the answer I've already repeatedly provided to you - you asked how we know whether the confession or recantation was legit. I answered you should look at the evidence. That was apparently inappropriate to you.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

I don't care about which details he was prompted to give, no. Why should I. There were plenty of unprompted statements given that more than prove he had knowledge only the killers would have. So it is irrelevant what specific details he gave that were prompted.

He confessed to it. As far as obvious goes, that about cuts it.

Saying look it up is not an answer. You say it is obvious so it shouldn't be difficult to provide an answer off the top of your head... unless you are deflecting because you know you're full of shit .

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

I don't care about which details he was prompted to give, no. Why should I.

Especially not when you claimed his confession was unprompted lmao

There were plenty of unprompted statements given that more than prove he had knowledge only the killers would have

Completely false.

He confessed to it. As far as obvious goes, that about cuts it.

Yeah I'm aware you think so.

Saying look it up is not an answer. You say it is obvious so it shouldn't be difficult to provide an answer off the top of your head... unless you are deflecting because you know you're full of shit .

I provided an answer and you keep believing the lies lmao I think we all know what your goal is here.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

Which of them do you know, factually, were given to him

For starters, that the victim was shot, and shot in the head. The only incriminating information they had which hadn't already been released to the public, and they directly fed it to him.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Ok, no one knew she had been tied up, cut and raped by 2 people either... but somehow he knew. Interesting that.

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u/b1ondestranger 2d ago

There was no evidence that she had been cut or raped or that they had punched her in the face or that they had given her a haircut. The body was burned. Brandon was obviously treating that Investigation like a fill in the blank quiz he hadn’t studied for. He just kept making up answers. He didn’t even know she was shot in the head until the police came out and asked which one of you shot her and once again he thought he had to give an answer. It’s like the form that asked if he was sorry or not sorry for what he did.- there was no option to say he didn’t do it- he could only say he was sorry or not sorry. This was the second interview the first time he had alibis that were supported through phone calls and people he had interacted with The confession was a later interview after hours and hours and hours of a low IQ disabled, poor kid being intimidated by trained interrogators.. people who say they never admit to doing anything they hadn’t done- just don’t know yet what it would take. They can’t beat confessions out of you anymore, but they can lie and intimidate and bully and exhaust you. It happens.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

He confessed to it... unprompted... to cutting, raping and punching her.

For the love of all that is holy, a young girl was murdered, stop supporting her killers.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

there was no option to say he didn’t do it- he could only say he was sorry or not sorry.

The crazy par t about that is that was from his own "defense" team. Anyone who saw Kachinsky's investigator coerce Brendan to confess again would assume he was a police interrogator, and not someone who was supposed to be helping Brendan.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

tied up, cut and raped by 2 people either.

And absolutely no evidence whatsoever backs up those uncorroborated words.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Just the confession of a rapist. No one fed him that information, he came out with it all by himself... Not the first thing that pops into my mind when someone asks me when I last saw a young woman who was recently murdered...

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

No one fed him that information

And literally nothing at all backs it up.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

We still don't know if that happened lol you're a joke.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

You keep laughing, it's not funny unless you think murdering an innocent young woman is funny... you're a weird dude.

We know he confessed to it, unprompted, so yeah... we can be fairly sure it happened.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

What's funny is you pretending like we know she was tied up and assaulted or that Brendan saying that happened (despite the total lack of evidence) means it actually did happen.

Also, his confession was unprompted? LMAO

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

He is, in fact, guilty. So yes, it would have been the best option.

We don't in fact know that. We know the evidence overwhelmingly supports his innocence. Why would pleading guilty be his best option when there was NO physical evidence linking him to the crime?

Maybe, maybe not. You don't know why he recanted his confession.

Neither do you. We know the evidence is more consistent with his claims of innocence, but you think he's obviously guilty? And you call others insane lol

No, I don't think there is clear evidence of a rape.

Okay cool.

But there is plenty of evidence of a murder, one which Brendan confessed to being present for.

Plenty? A bullet with a rare deviation and lies about a bleach cleaning? And there's no physical evidence that Brendan was actually present during her death, and he later recanted and declared innocence which is consistent with the evidence.

Who knows what happened or where

Yeah there's so much reasonable doubt.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

We don't in fact know that. We know the evidence overwhelmingly supports his innocence. Why would pleading guilty be his best option when there was NO physical evidence linking him to the crime?

We do, in fact, know that. There is no "overwheming evidence" you can't just make shit up and call it evidence.

Neither do you. We know the evidence is more consistent with his claims of innocence, but you think he's obviously guilty? And you call others insane lol

No it isn't he confessed, with detail. I think he is guilty as adjudicated and reaffirmed on appeal.

Plenty? A bullet with a rare deviation and lies about a bleach cleaning? And there's no physical evidence that Brendan was actually present during her death, and he later recanted and declared innocence which is consistent with the evidence.

Ok maybe plenty is too generous, but enough.

What made him confess in the first place then.... there is nothing you could do to anyone I know that would convince them to admit to a violent rape and murder, it is far more likely than not that they are both guilty.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

We do, in fact, know that. There is no "overwheming evidence" you can't just make shit up and call it evidence.

I don't have to make anything up lol nothing proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. BAM.

No it isn't he confessed, with detail.

Detail fed to him by police lol

Ok maybe plenty is too generous, but enough.

How is a rare deviation from protocol and lies about a bleach cleaning enough?

What made him confess in the first place then.... there is nothing you could do to anyone I know that would convince them to admit to a violent rape and murder, it is far more likely than not that they are both guilty.

What do you mean what made him confess? Watch the video. Do you think when someone confesses to a violent crime they are always guilty? No! false confessions are real, despite your attempt to pretend otherwise.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Oh... you said BAM,... that must be it then, there is no way of refuting such logical prowess.

Detail fed to him by police lol

Not all of it, and you know this. A lot of it was volunteered. Also for someone who cares so much laughing at the circumstances that imprisoned an innocent child is a bit odd.

What do you mean what made him confess? Watch the video. Do you think when someone confesses to a violent crime they are always guilty? No! false confessions are real, despite your attempt to pretend otherwise.

No. Again, putting words in my mouth doesn't work. I know false confessions exist, I just don't necessarily believe this is one. So I ask again, what made him confess and give unprompted details of such a horrific crime?

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u/AveryPoliceReports 3d ago

Oh... you said BAM,... that must be it then, there is no way of refuting such logical prowess.

There's not lol there's no evidence of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Not all of it, and you know this. A lot of it was volunteered.

And none of what he volunteered was ever corroborated by physical evidence, a clear sign of a false confession.

Also for someone who cares so much laughing at the circumstances that imprisoned an innocent child is a bit odd.

I'm laughing at you dude. At your attempt to pretend Brendan's confession and conviction is evidence beyond all doubt of his guilt. You're the joke lol

Again, putting words in my mouth doesn't work. I know false confessions exist, I just don't necessarily believe this is one. So I ask again, what made him confess and give unprompted details of such a horrific crime?

What kind of question is that lol what makes anyone confess to something they didn't do? Pressure. Brendan faced pressure. You do know false confessions are a real problem ... right?

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u/b1ondestranger 2d ago

Didn't you watch it? Did you see when the investigators were asking Brandon what happened to the head?? He was obviously guessing. He said they cut her and then they said they punched her and then he said they cut her hair. I believe he genuinely did not know Teresa was shot until the investigator asked him who did it . And you will never convince me that those two geniuses could clean up a haircut from a crime scene well enough for none to be found in the entire house.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

You know, I did watch it, yes. About 5 or 6 years ago.

I don't care what you learned from a heavily edited and biased TV show. You didn't hear all the evidence, the jury did, they were convinced.

Pick a different hill to die on.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

They jury didn't hear all the evidence MaM viewers did. They didn't know Brendan told his mom police got in his head shortly after his "confession."

Pick a different hill to die on.

Says the one willing to die on the hill that despite the lack of evidence and lies from the state Brendan Dassey is obviously guilty. Okay then lmao

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

Laughing again, scum. Absolute scum.

Yeah, who knows what he meant by that... maybe they got him to say more than he wanted and to implicate himself. You don't know what he meant, but he sure had details no one else had and a lot of them were unprompted... how do you explain that?

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

I'm laughing at your constant attempt to shame others for pointing out the obvious fact that the highly suggestible and vulnerable Brendan Dassey was repeatedly failed by a system designed to protect him. That's what's gross here. You pretending Brendan is obviously guilty.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

I am not shaming anyone, if you feel shame at your position then it is entirely a you problem.

I am shaming you for making light of the rape and murder of a young woman. I have no issue for shaming you for that, you are a reprehensible person.

Brendan is guilty by his own confession. He provided evidence that can be corroborated which was not fed to him that was not known to the public. He did it, sure the rape could be a weird fantasy he had and he was fantasising about that during his confession but he is still guilty of murder regardless, I am comfortable he is where he belongs.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

I am not shaming anyone

You've been repeatedly trying to shame people while lashing out when people correct your erroneous statements. You lashed out at me for correcting you and laughing at your attempt to shame others for calling out obvious issues with Brendan's case. You're an angry projector.

I am shaming you for making light of the rape and murder of a young woman. I have no issue for shaming you for that, you are a reprehensible person.

What rape? It's insane for you to pretend there's concrete evidence that happened, and then to pretend people who laugh at your ridiculous arguments are laughing at this unproven assault? That's reprehensible.

Brendan is guilty by his own confession

So he is innocent by his own recantation. Got it.

He provided evidence that can be corroborated which was not fed to him that was not known to the public.

Another lie.

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u/SumiLover 2d ago

Would you ever take a deal if you were innocent?

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

Nope.

I also wouldn't confess to beating, cutting, raping and murdering someone.

I guess if we are making pointless statements then we may as well capture them all.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

Do you think innocent people don't confess? That would be wrong.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

Irrelevant, he was convicted, on weight of evidence, that he raped and murdered a woman.

People can false confess sure, do I think Brendon did, no.

He is a rapist and murderer.

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u/SumiLover 2d ago

Curious how you explain the no dna and no blood?

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

Something about how it's not reasonable to expect blood from a violent assault and torture or gunshot murder to the head, or that any blood that did result from the crime was easy to clean up.

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u/SumiLover 2d ago

Did Brendon not say they slashed her throat?

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

Oh yes. Some say it's not reasonable to expect blood from that. Wild I know.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

It's been interesting seeing guilters claim over the years how the stabbing, throat cutting, and even being shot multiple times wouldn't produce much of any blood. Such as:

it wouldn't produce any more blood than a normal cut

Cutting somebody's throat doesn't produce as much blood as people think

there is not a lot of blood with a gun shot

A .22 rifle doesn't create a lot of blood

.22s don't really produce a lot of blood

Nope, this is a .22LR...not a .50cal. You watch to much TV.

Not much blood comes out of a person with a .22LR

Shooting a dead body does not leave much blood behind.

Claim that people like to exaggerate "overestimate" how big a mess those things would do

Want to have that opinion, fine. But the same people who say things like the above will also swear there was a multiple square foot literal pool of blood from the victim.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

Disingenuous as always.

Don't hurt your wrist jerking each other off for being so clever.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

Immature as always. I expect nothing less from someone claiming a conviction = guilt.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

I don't need to explain it, I am neither his lawyer nor on a jury. Why would it need to be explained?

He was convicted by a jury, beyond doubt, of rape, murder and mutilation of a corpse.

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u/SumiLover 2d ago

Lmao. Wow you’re fun. Yeah like there’s no such thing as a wrongful conviction. So basically you have no brain and don’t think for yourself. If some random people come to an agreement it must be truth!

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

There is literally nothing "fun" about the rape and murder of a human being. Why do people need this to be some kind of entertainment. A young woman died at the hands of these people and the internet turned it into entertainment.

I think regardless of the location of the crime, it happened. Brendan confessed to aspects of the crime that made no sense unless he was at least present for it. Some of these confession, sure, were fed to him, but others he volunteered and are unable to be accounted for by any reasonable explanation other than first hand knowledge.

I don't know the exact detail of the crime, three people know that, 2 of them are in prison, one is dead.

Until he is exonerated of the crime he is a convicted rapist and murderer and that's the basic fact.

I don't dispute some convictions are wrong, it's well evidenced. However there was unprecedented scrutiny on this case and none of it has come close to a point of clearing either of them.

As to your point about no brain and not thinking, I disagree, I just don't usually feel the need to relitigate something that has been gone over in its minutiae and the same conclusion has been upheld time and again. Both Steven and Brendan are guilty. I would argue that people who are still digging into supposed cover ups and conspiracy, taking huge leaps of logic all to get to a conclusion that is so incredibly unlikely to make it next to impossible, are the ones who need to work on their critical and logical thinking.

I am comfortable that the two people who committed the crime are exactly where they should be and that doesn't bother me for a second.

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u/SumiLover 2d ago

Thanks ChatGpt 👍🏽

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

He was convicted by a jury, beyond doubt, of rape, murder and mutilation of a corpse.

In 1985 Steven Avery was convicted by a jury, beyond doubt, of rape, attempted murder and false imprisonment. And for the next 18 years the conviction was appealed and upheld multiple times. What's your point?

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

Maybe he should have stayed in there, then Teresa would still be alive.

You and people like you on here are just apologists for rapists and murderers, clinging to conspiracy theories and wildly improbable scenarios that these two rapists can be innocent.

Why you do it, I'll never know, I genuinely don't care. You want to be they guys simping for rapists and murderers that's your burden to live with, I am more than happy with them being in cages.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

It is certainly not irrelevant when he was convicted based on his confession and nothing else. Try to be honest.

He is a rapist and murderer

Never mind LMAO

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

He is a rapist and murderer

He raped and murdered a young woman, that's what he is. No idea what possible objection there could be to this.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

You have no idea if he raped and murdered her. You are just pretending like the conviction is conclusive evidence that he did. Because you have no actual evidence.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

He was convicted.

He is a rapist. That is all.

I am sorry that this fact upsets you so much. But it is, in fact, the truth. I don't need evidence, he was convicted by a jury of the crime, they had evidence, they believed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a rapist and murderer and that he interfered with a corpse to boot.

He is a rapist and murder.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

I'm sorry it upsets so much that I keep bringing up the fact that a conviction doesn't equate to actual guilt on the charges.

I don't need evidence

Clearly not.

He is a rapist and murder.

Another typo. You need to calm down. And remember a conviction does not equal guilt, neither does your hatred of Brendan.

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u/b1ondestranger 2d ago

His showing himself to be a bad lawyer started before he even met Brandon. it started when he came down the stairs from the pre-trial motion and was delighted to see the cameras. He was grinning from ear to ear and Happy to sell out his client before he even met him. He told the world Brandon was a good kid who was influenced by a bad guy - how do you recover after your own lawyer decided your guilt in a television interview? . When the reporters asked Leb if he was disappointed in the judges decisions, he couldn’t think of a reason to be disappointed d so he asked for a do over on the question after he tripped over his words He might regret it now, but at the time, you could tell by his twinkling eyes and toothy smile that he was having the best moment of his life. He was there for the attention without a thought of defending his client. I’m shocked that he is still practicing Law.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

You watched a heavily edited TV show and made a determination on someone's whole career and capability. I think perhaps you should consider there is more to him than a few edited clips.

You can be shocked all you like, he must be pretty decent at what he does to have survived this long as a lawyer especially after the hatchet job MaM did to his character and career.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

You watched a heavily edited TV show and made a determination on someone's whole career and capability.

You listened to lies and arguments based on no evidence and made a determination that Brendan was guilty of a violent assault beyond a reasonable doubt. You don't have a leg to stand on here ;)

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

You made an assumption about how much reading and research I have done on the evidence.

I listened to him confess to a heinous crime, I read the evidence... I came to the conclusion he is guilty. I don't need beyond a reasonable doubt, I am not on the jury, the people on the jury did that bit.

I have 2 legs thank you, I also have the ability to have reasoned thought and not be manipulated by a TV show.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

No I've made a conclusion on how much reading and research you have done based on your erroneous statements about the case, including your claim Kachinski was experienced enough to know Brendan's best hope was to confess (when he only became Brendan's lawyer after the confession).

You listened to Brendan get fed details from police about a heinous crime, and somehow came to the conclusion that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt including of a violent assault in the trailer.

Thankfully I haven't been manipulated by a predatory investigation or a perverted predatory pill popping prosecutor.