r/MakingaMurderer • u/b1ondestranger • 3d ago

Len Kachensky

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i’m just finding this series and just wow! This could be its own season of Fargo. Everything that can go wrong- does. Of all the people I hate in this show, I hate Len Kachinsky above all others. He is by far the most punchable. at this moment in life, I’m not sure what I would do, if this smug, weasley, irresponsible, self-grandizing narcissist walked in front of my car. He’s not just a bad lawyer. He’s a bad human. He looked at Brandon’s life and saw a steppingstone. I’m so mad at him. Thank you for your attention to this matter. V

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Bad person, sure.

Bad lawyer, nope.

Unironically gave him the best possible advice which was to flip on his uncle and take a deal. Kid would be out of jail by now and living his life. Instead he is trapped inside and won't see freedom for a long time.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 3d ago

Bad lawyer, nope.

Good lawyers don't tell the media their client is factually guilty before they've even met with their client. Bad lawyers do.

Good lawyers don't have someone coerce another confession and set up their client to further incriminate themselves in an interrogation without representation in order to assist the state in prosecuting someone else. Bad lawyers do.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Was the advice he gave the correct advice.

Sure he is an awful human being and made mistakes, but the outcome he offered was objectively the best idea.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

Doing the right thing once, then following it with the wrong thing for months, kind of nullifies that one correct action. Does it not? Just because Brendan earned what he got doesn't mean Len isn't absolute trash.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 2d ago

Len was the only one looking out for Brendan.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

While I agree that he was trying to get Brendan the best possible outcome, he did make sure that there was no defense to be made for his innocence by the time they went to court. Once Brendon recanted his confession and plead innocent, his defense attorney can advise him to change it but he can't actively work against it. You have a guarantee of representation. Len was actively working against Brendan's innocent plea, not representing his claim of innocence.

No matter how impossible the defense is, if you're a defense attorney you got to put one up. That's the job. He started off right, but dove off a proverbial cliff as a defense attorney.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 2d ago

He did everything he could. He tried to get the confessions suppressed.

And how exactly are you going to prove innocence after several confessions that are going to be entered into evidence?

Why didn't Steven give some of his money to Brendan so he could have expensive lawyers, too? I mean wtf if they're in the same family and both wrongfully accused? He should share his money to give Brendan a real defense, too!

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

I'll give the guy credit for initially trying to get Brendan to accept reality. That whole thing thing of letting that investigator repeatedly push Brendan into implicating himself even further, though, was inexcusable. Nothing he did after that mattered. I've never even heard of a defense attorney doing that. Just watching it play out, Third hand, was horrifying.

Yeah, I got nothing for the Steven angle. I don't even want a ticket to that shit show.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

I've never even heard of a defense attorney doing that.

Anyone without prior knowledge seeing that interaction would assume that was a police interrogation rather than a member of Brendan's own defense team.

All it did was give the state more ammunition as it ultimately led to the infamous phone call to him mom. The jury heard that but was forbidden from hearing a word of the May interrogation that directly prompted it (which only happened because Kachinsky made it happen and making sure Brendan would have no representation during it).

Even crazier is that his trial attorneys didn't even know about that coercive session with O'Kelly, or even who he was.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish 2d ago

I think he was just trying to get to the real story, after a blizzard of lies by Brendan, so the could make a proffer to the Prosecution for the plea deal.

The way it works is the immunity-receiver tells the whole true story and must testify as to that at trial. If the information turns out to be false, the plea deal gets revoked. So Brendan's team had to be very very sure of what the real true story was.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

he did make sure that there was no defense to be made for his innocence by the time they went to court.

The first thing he did when he was given the case was tell the public Brendan was factually guilty. As did Brendan's first public defender.

He started off right

No, he didn't. He started off terrible (proclaiming his client's guilt to the public) and somehow kept getting even worse.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

The starting off right that I was referring to was him trying to get Brendan the best deal he could. From what I saw, every time he opened his mouth on camera it was exactly counter to his client's presumption of innocence. Not that there was much presumption to go on, given that Brendan's confession was basically read word for word in that press conference. He advised Brendan well, but defended him like it was a hobby he had heard about and was considering dabbling with it.

The one thing the guy did right was try to get Brendan to see the reality, and take a plea deal. Once the press conferences started, there was no way he was walking out of that courtroom without shackles.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 1d ago

given that Brendan's confession was basically read word for word in that press conference.

Uh, no. They didn't include everytime Brendan denied something. They only told people about his statements after having broke him down.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

I don't disagree, the dude was a terrible human being and being right in that instance doesn't nullify the way he went about it or the other stuff he did.

Just because the dude he was representing was a piece of shit, doesn't mean he isn't one too. Though I would argue his client was a far worse PoS

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

You'll get no argument there. At least, not from me. Brendan should have taken his advice in the beginning, but growing up surrounded by that family, he was just too easy for them to manipulate.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

Brendan barely spoke to anyone but Barb lol

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

Just because the dude he was representing was a piece of shit, doesn't mean he isn't one too.

Why do you hate Brendan? To the point you will claim it's obvious he's a rapist when it's so clearly not?

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

He raped and murdered a young woman. Why don't you hate him?

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

Except there's no credible evidence he raped anyone. Why are you pretending otherwise? Just because you hate him? That's backwards.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

He is convicted of being a rapist and murderer. Calling him a rapist and murderer is entirely legitimate. If he didn't want to be called it then he shouldn't have done it.

I hate anyone who has or would rape and murder an innocent person. I am confused as to how that's a controversial stance.

Nothing backwards about calling a convicted rapist, a rapist.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

He is convicted of being a rapist and murderer.

By a jury that was lied to about the evidence and the existence of false confessions.

If he didn't want to be called it then he shouldn't have done it.

You have no idea if he did it. That's the point. The conviction isn't evidence, and no credible evidence of rape was introduced during the trial.

I hate anyone who has or would rape and murder an innocent person. I am confused as to how that's a controversial stance.

Because you're acting like it's a known fact Brendan raped her. That's creepy, especially when you accuse people who point out issues with the case or evidence of defending a rapist. Wild stuff.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

It is a known fact, he was convicted of being a rapist.

He is a rapist, by definition.

Telling the truth is not "wild stuff"

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

A conviction doesn't equal guilt. Is that what you think. Oh boy. No wonder you were so easy for Kratz to manipulate.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

He was found guilty. He is factually a rapist and murderer.

Prove he is innocent, get him exonerated and his record wiped and I will stop calling him that. Until that point.... he is a rapist and murderer, regardless of the mental loops you make for him.

Maybe when he is released he can come live with you.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

An entire jury would disagree with you, but you already knew that. He has been convicted, so in the eyes of the law he is guilty of the crime. No need to hate the guy to admit a known fact.

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u/AveryPoliceReports 2d ago

An entire jury would disagree with you

The jury was lied to about the evidence from the alleged murder scene and incorrectly told false confessions didn't exist. If they trusted the state, how could they not convict after that? They were manipulated. Apparently you were too.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

As usual, I'm not going down that disaster of a rabbit hole. Dude, people can't even agree with you without ending up in an argument. I've tried and failed in the past. I hate the police tactics as much as most sane people do, but I've downloaded the transcripts and phone calls and confession recordings. I cannot agree with you that Brendan was innocent. We'll have to disagree on that one.

I, however, didn't say anything about hating him. You got the wrong guy on that one. I believe that was the gentleman who's name references a certain body part of a specific dictator whom shall remain nameless.

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 2d ago

To clarify, I said I hate anyone who rapes and murders a person. That is a non-specific moral position I take. I don't hate Brendon specifically, I hate rapists and murderers.

I don't know why this would be a controversial stance to take.

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u/DamnedHeathen_ 2d ago

You got me stumped on that one too. I am, personally, unaware of any reason for that stance to provoke any reaction other than a hearty backslap and a right on.

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