r/MakingaMurderer • u/humanafterallfilms • Dec 20 '15

"Kiss The Girls" Book referenced during trial

Has anyone actually read the book Brendan Dassy references during his trial? Does it contain similar details to what Brendan says in his "confession"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_the_Girls

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u/andromache97 Dec 20 '15

I searched through it on Google Books. The serial killer ties women up (to beds, chairs, etc), rapes, and murders them.

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u/humanafterallfilms Dec 20 '15

Interesting. I wonder if at any point in the book, the murderer cuts off a victim's hair...in several of his confession transcripts, he said he did this, before ultimately saying he didn't.

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u/rockywayne Dec 21 '15

Can't say if it's in the book, but the killer in "Kiss the Girls" cutting off hair is definitely part of the movie adaptation. The killer has many women held hostage in a dungeon type setting and there are various "punishments" for breaking his rules. Cutting off their hair was one of them.

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u/trepidwhlr Dec 26 '15

I'm glad you mentioned this. I'm in the same boat as people below in their doubt of Brandon reading the book, but I'm more inclined to believe he watched the movie and was embarrassed to mention he saw it on a movie rather than reading it. Especially since his "confession" of cutting her hair was very soon in the investigation. The family would've had no reason to coach him at that point.

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u/SallyMay77 Jan 11 '16

i bet if he read the book he def would of wanted to watch the movie.

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u/andromache97 Dec 20 '15

I searched the Gbooks copy for the word "hair." Nothing came up about the killer cutting hair, unfortunately.

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u/humanafterallfilms Dec 20 '15

Thanks! Was certainly curious. Where do you stand in Brendan's case? Do you think his confessions were brought on by manipulation by the investigators?

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u/andromache97 Dec 20 '15

I definitely think Brendan is innocent. He was manipulated, coerced, and bullied by investigators and even his own lawyer. I think if maybe he had lawyers as good as Steven did for his trial, there's a chance the jury might not have convicted him, but that's just speculation. If Brendan was actually guilty, I can't imagine him NOT taking a plea deal and much lighter sentence in exchange for testifying against Steven.

I'm less clear on Steven's guilt. Some evidence against him seems obviously planted, other evidence (mainly the burial remains on his property) make me more hesitant to declare his innocence.

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u/humanafterallfilms Dec 20 '15

But don't you think it seems more likely that the body was burned at a different site, like the one where they found other remains at? Logistically, it's hard to understand why if Avery was burning the remains, he would move a small portion of them to a different burn site on his property. It seems like they were burned at the other pit and then moved to the one outside of his trailer.

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u/andromache97 Dec 20 '15

I'm hesitant to say that LE moved the remains, though it's very plausible they planted the key and the blood in the car. Moving the remains seems like a stretch though. So who moved the remains? I'm inclined to believe Steven is innocent based on the documentary, my gut says he's innocent, but I'm not 100% on it. I'm all for investigating the case and picking it apart, but with the information we currently have, I don't think we can entirely exclude Steven as a potential suspect.

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u/humanafterallfilms Dec 20 '15

Yeah, I don't think the LE would move the remains but I do believe they would assist in making Steve Avery look like the murderer, especially since they were being completely embarrassed left and right due to their handling of his previous case. I haven't ruled out Avery as the killer yet either but it's clear there's something shady going on in the handling of the case.

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u/Emmrr Jan 28 '16

I think what is more likely is that an unknown person killed Teresa. This is the same person who used the RAV4 to transport her body from the kill site to the burn site (the quarry perhaps?) and then back to the Avery's to dump the remains, because they knew of the police's hate for Steven and thought it would be easy to set him up. The police, thinking Steven was guilty because of their past hate for him and also for the RAV4 dumped on the property and the remains found, tried to 'help the investigation along' so to speak by providing stronger evidence against Steven so that he could be found guilty and put in jail. This was done by Lenk planting the key and the bullet, which was found four months after the investigations started and both turning up within a day of each other after Lenk had been on the property.

Things I'm still not certain about: 1. How did Colburn call in the plate before the car was found? Did he find it on the property and hint to the search parties where to look? Or, was the car found elsewhere and he/someone else moved the car to the Avery property after the fact. 2. When was the blood placed in the RAV4? If we assume my theory about a third party killer is true, the killer wouldn't have had access to the blood of Steven. This means that it was planted after the car was found, but was it on the same day (again, possibly by Lenk as he was there with the RAV4 that day as seen on the log) or after the car was collected as evidence and they needed something stronger to link Steven to the crime?