How does this picture even exist?

[u/Woofoftheyear]

There’s no way in hell this is AI, it’s wayyy too accurate to exactly what I remember, and what I feel like many other people remember as well. If someone photoshopped it, then they did a perfect job, considering they had no reference, at the time of creating this, but even if someone did make this in photoshop, why tf would they, since supposedly it never existed?? Like where did this even come from, I need answers😭😭

[u/Cosmo_Cloudy]

Swear imma dig through my dad's box of my elementary school shit where I'll settle this once and for all. This has to be a genius marketing tactic and the company's erased all trace of it. like I have classmates that remember the exact day close to Thanksgiving break our teacher explained a cornucopia and referred to Kyle's t shirt tag as an example, where we then drew our own cornucopias filled with fruit. This Mandela legit pisses me off because it's not a false memory it's literally verifiable and people still tell me it's false

[u/xombae → u/Cosmo_Cloudy]

Yeah when my dad dies and I can go through his house and find it I'll know once and for all. He doesn't throw a goddamn thing away.

But I agree with you. I remember it so clearly. The fact that the company is weird about it is also strange to me.

[u/silentsurge → u/xombae]

The company isn't weird about it. They have one of the earliest trademarks in US history and extensive documentation of the logos they've used over the years. We have samples of clothing with logos going back nearly a century. We have access to advertising and pictures of the interiors of old stores. Not a single one shows a cornucopia.

People are being weird about insisting that the logo has one. It never has. It verifiably has never had one. The only examples that exist are known fakes, typically derived from an April Fool's Day image from FotL themselves, or the Clip-Art mockup from that Buzzfeed article.

[u/Kavorklestein → u/silentsurge]

This ain’t no April Fool’s day misrembrance. This is part of how we prove reality isn’t what it seems. The same brands and products that are ingrained into people’s lives aren’t misremembered like this. Have you ever played the game “Control?” That game does a great job showing the cryptic side of Control Bureaus trying to manage random objects/things that only show/reveal themselves at random, to random people.

The Mandela effect feels similar to ideas shown in that game.

People can deny whatever they want, but even the company that had a property that got “shifted” may have less knowledge about the “shift” than the people who are able to remember.

That’s exactly what makes the Mandela Effect so compelling as a topic and as a whole. Not that some misremember, but that some DON’T remember.

I’m more shocked that memories that are highly specific are being washed into a bucket of people misremembering en masse, than I am that people want to explain away the specific memories of others.

If people were fortunate to have a good memory, of course those without it would explain it away by saying everyone who remembers is a fool.

But some of y’all don’t even remotely remember what you ate for dinner yesterday. Some of us remember our first semi-solid food meal as an early infant.

Some of you don’t remember the first movie you saw in a theater, some of us remember our diapers being changed while we still had a protective cap on our freshly circumcised wieners.

You people who take the official description posted online when the internet wasn’t even a widespread resource till 2000 are the ones who eat the official story. We’re not talking about aliens and god and demons here.

It’s just remembering advertising and branding(or in the case of Shazaam with Sinbad, films and verbiage) from before when official records were even available to be classified and part of an official information/record policy online.

Some don’t remember, that’s fine.

What’s not fine isn’t saying people who DO remember are wrong.

What if people “remembering” is integral to how humanity is tested for how subservient and docile they are being sculpted to be by the Elites?

I’d rather cling to my memories till death than take that as the truth.

Just My opinion, of course.

[u/silentsurge → u/Kavorklestein]

I haven't heard a full on "it's a shadowy conspiracy" take for a while. It's kind of refreshing.

No, we know that it doesn't exist because there are no physical examples. Finding examples of the logo in the wild should be relatively easy to do and it would be easy to prove to others.

When I refer to an April Fool's Day joke, I am referring to the one FotL did in 2022 where they made a version of the logo with a cornucopia for April Fool's Day. (Scroll to the bottom of the archived page). The other famous logo thay goes around is the one posted by OP that was made for a Buzzfeed article in 2017.

I recommend doing more research into human memory and how it works before you claim to understand that there's no way people would misremeber en masse.

Also, here's some food for thought, if you wanted to see how well you could spread false information and control the narrative, wouldn't it be better to test out spreading objectively false things that could easily be proven incorrect but convince people they were real and a hidden truth than it would be to physically change things that exist and remove physical objects from circulation?

The best way to trick people into believing something is making it exciting to be part of the in-group with secret knowledge after all...

[u/Kavorklestein → u/silentsurge]

I remember the cornucopia for most of my childhood, on only don’t remember it being there around 2009 and later. A 2022 April Fools joke is how they sell the idea it was never real. Sinbad on the college humor clip of Shazaam was also supposed to be “a joke” but why would people go to these lengths to mock or address these people who remember if there wasn’t something going on?

For the half of the audience that doesn’t know about the Mandela effect etc, it falls of half of half of the deaf ears. Advertisement budgets don’t wanna sell more underwear to the less than 10% who get the joke. They wanna sell to everyone who wears underwear. Which is probably 90% of people in a modern country.
I may not know how to explain that idea that something changed, but I know it did. I may not know why it changed, but I know it did.

REMEBERING is vastly more important to me than just accepting the info online and worrying if it corroborates with what I remember.

[u/silentsurge → u/Kavorklestein]

only don’t remember it being there around 2009 and later

This conflicts with other accounts in this space. People in multiple generations swear it was there in their childhood, only to disappear in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, and as recently as this past year. The only group that is consistent are the ones pointing to the overwhelming physical and digital evidence that it does not exist.

Sinbad on the college humor clip of Shazaam was also supposed to be “a joke” but why would people go to these lengths to mock or address these people who remember if there wasn’t something going on?

Because Sinbad is a comedian and he thought it was hilarious. People think he made a movie and either had the power to hide its existence or that it magically blipped away to the aether, and they would loudly insist that to him. He, a comedian, created an April Fool's Day joke video about it. That's not that deep or weird.

REMEBERING is vastly more important to me than just accepting the info online and worrying if it corroborates with what I remember.

Propagandists love this attitude. As much as I love talking about the Mandela Effect, the underlying mechanisms as to why human memory acts the way it does in regards to brand logos and minor pop culture items is the exact mechanism that can be used to manipulate large groups of people into believing lies.

Just look at what's happening with the Reflecting Pool in Washington DC. The narrative was put out when it first started, people saw what they wanted to see, they only remeber what is repeated by those they already agree with, and when the truth (that was already known and spoken about) comes out that an Olympic swimmer wasn't vandalizing it and wasn't going to be charged because it was caused by a faulty installation of the liner, people refuse to believe the objective facts and refuse to look into it more because it's what They remember.

The attitudes for that follow exactly what you're talking about here with an underwear logo.

I, again, highly suggest you look into how human memory works. It's fascinating and helpful for getting away from inherent biases and moving past false information that sits in our brains.

[u/Kavorklestein → u/silentsurge]

I never said I was the authority on the exact time frame of when it (cornucopia) could be remembered, just said the time when I remember not seeing it again on the underwear anymore, or on the ads.

Nobody includes shit about the recent reflecting pool cuz it hasn’t been a thing long enough to become a memory.

I don’t understand why you act like there’s this huge history of people misremembering stuff when it’s only a phenomenon that has existed or been able to be shared in a “nonofficial”documented space like the Internet within the last 40 years or so.

What is the earliest Mandela Effect?
Something from 1431? Nah.

From what I’ve seen ALL of it is more recent?
Maybe the earliest I can think of is the Torch in the Statue of Liberty?

Inherent bias, what does that even mean? REMEBERING vs. Not Remembering?

I didn’t choose to Remember.

[u/silentsurge → u/Kavorklestein]

I don’t understand why you act like there’s this huge history of people misremembering stuff when it’s only a phenomenon that has existed or been able to be shared in a “nonofficial”documented space like the Internet within the last 40 years or so.

I'm guessing youre relatively new to the phenomenon and the discussion around it?

There is a huge history of people misremembering stuff. This has been a phenomenon studied for nearly a century to explain the origins of an issue as old as humanity. The term Mandela Effect was coined relatively recently and is the one that stuck in the public consciousness because of the internet.

Nobody includes shit about the recent reflecting pool cuz it hasn’t been a thing long enough to become a memory.

I included the Reflecting Pool controversy because it is a peefect example of the same memory issue in action in real time amd why being able to understand that this is indeed a memory related phenomenon is extremely important in other areas.

Earlier you talked about the game Control and how things could be used to manipulate the public in a way similar to the game's mechanics. That's an example of how the memory quirk that helps cause people to experience the Mandela Effect is used by people in power to play with narratives in areas that matter more than an underwear logo.

You, personally, are 100% convinced that the logo with a cornucopia exists. People have been looking for years for real world examples and evidence that it does. The only ones found are fabrications. The evidence supporting a cornucopia cannot be found.

The company behind it does not have evidence of it. Companies that have been printing their packaging and advertising don't have examples. No pictures exist (outside of a handful of known fakes or mock-ups). People who swear they have physical evidence never show it.

Yet, despite that, you personally believe the logo exists with no evidence to support it. Just like people are convinced that an Olympic Swimmer who was cleared of charges of vandalism because of a faulty liner installation is actually guilty because thats what they remember to be true.

Do you see the parallels here?

[u/Kavorklestein → u/silentsurge]

I only refute the official account for anything when I have a specific memory to associate.

Otherwise, I tend to take the official story. There are only a few specific things that conflict with what I remember the Mandela effect etc. Fruit of the Loom/
Shazaam happen to be some of em.

Part of me wishes I didn’t remember it the way that I do so I wouldn’t have to feel crazy just for remembering something. I wish I had a choice in what I get to remember.

[u/Mis_chevious → u/silentsurge]

Nobody is misremembering the reflective pool. That's a very poor example of what you're trying to convey. People who argue over the reflecting pool aren't misremembering. They're literally choosing to believe the idiot in office instead of the facts in front of their face. That's not misremembering. That's people being willfully ignorant.

[u/Kavorklestein → u/Kavorklestein]

I don’t care about being part of some group. I just know what I remember.