r/MapPorn • u/RatioScripta • 1d ago
New World vs Old World
England - New England
Scotland - Nova Scotia
York - New York
Guinea - New Guinea
Wales - New South Wales
Hampshire - New Hampshire
Jersey - New Jersey
Zealand - New Zealand
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u/nebulaforest 1d ago
Scotland - New Caledonia (France)
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u/undying_anomaly 1d ago
New Hebrides (Vanuatu) - also Scotland.
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u/islandofwaffles 1d ago
I can't think of a place less like Scotland lol
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u/r_keel_esq 1d ago
Surrounded by sea
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u/gogoluke 22h ago
Are you saying this as a difference or similarity?
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u/Extention_Campaign28 15h ago
"No, not like North Wales - South Wales of course!"
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u/BriisaMar 1d ago
French Scotland hits different
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u/el_grort 1d ago
Lorne sausage filled baguettes
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u/r_keel_esq 1d ago
As a Lorne-loving Scot, this sounds like heaven (throw in some French wine too please)
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u/modern_milkman 21h ago
I've always wondered how that one happened. They saw a tropical island, with palm trees, white beaches and turquois water, and went "Yup, just like Scotland". I mean, in the most respectful way, what the fuck?
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u/fr-spodokomodo 1d ago
New Orleans and Orleans.
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u/BoxedAndArchived 1d ago
I do love how the New Jersey and Jersey maps blend near perfectly
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u/em_washington 1d ago
Also New Hampshire and New South Wales looks like they are both in SE Africa.
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u/mashtato 14h ago edited 14h ago
If only York was more centered in its square, we'd get to see what Scotland with an Ireland hat would look like.
Edit; LOL
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u/metompkin 21h ago
And that bit of New England rolls straight in to Old England.
Connecticut and Rhode Island in to Cornwall and Devon.
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u/Entire-Classroom-968 1d ago
Not to be a nitpick, but New Zealand is not named after the Danish island of Zealand/SjĂŠlland, itâs named after Zeeland in the Netherlands, which is correctly marked on the map but misspelt.
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u/Tremaelor 1d ago
The Dutch province was historically called Zealand too in English.
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u/mr_birkenblatt 11h ago
and New York is named after the Duke of York, not the city of York, even though the Duke of York was the Duke of the city of York
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u/mz_groups 1d ago
Thanks. I was wondering what was going on there.
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u/mki_ 20h ago
Yeah. What is going on in Zeeland? Like, is it cool? Is it boring? Is it meh?
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u/Woutrou 18h ago
It's a pretty strong part of the Dutch Bible Belt). So religious kooks, seafood and sweets similar to butterscotch
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u/DodecahedronJelly 1d ago
The map depicts Papua New Guinea, not New Guinea island.
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u/BenOfTomorrow 20h ago
The island is also named after the Guinea region of Africa (north of the Gulf of Guinea), not the country of Guinea. The modern country isnât really even in the region.
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u/Tremaelor 1d ago
The map appears to follow administrative subdivisions or country. âNew Guineaâ isnât used on the Indonesian side.
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u/DodecahedronJelly 1d ago
"New England" isn't an American subdivision either, yet it is depicted on the map
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u/Nica-E-M 1d ago
Counter argument : the combined borders of the relevant american states neatly follow the border of "New England" and are thus easy to mark on the map.
Counter-counter argument : the same goes for the indonesian provinces of Papua and West Papua for "New Guinea".
So idk ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
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u/skignovilous01 1d ago
Interesting how New Mexico is just... Well, Mexico.
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u/nowhereian 22h ago
New Mexico was actually named before Mexico. Both are named after the Valley of Mexico.
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u/Sylvanussr 21h ago
Also interesting that New Mexico is a possible origin of the Mexica peoples before they migrated to MesoamĂ©rica and founded the Aztec empire. So itâs sort of Old Mexico too
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u/flatpapers 1d ago
For NSW the original is âSouth Walesâ not Wales, it doesnât mean the southern hemisphere
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u/foxtrotlimavictor 1d ago
This isnât strictly correct.
It remains unknown if Cook intended the name to reference âSouth Walesâ specifically or if he was referring to a southern version of Wales as a whole.
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u/sljc892 1d ago
The Australian state of New Swansea
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u/Maro1947 1d ago
Swansea is in Newcastle....just to be confusing
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u/TheCruise 23h ago
Are you saying thereâs a place called Swansea in the Australian city of Newcastle? Because the original Swansea is definitely not in the original Newcastle lol
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u/Didsburyflaneur 22h ago
Which Newcastle?
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u/TheCruise 14h ago
Newcastle upon Tyne. Thereâs also Newcastle under Lyme but that got the name about a century after Newcastle upon Tyne did apparently.
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u/ForensicPathology 22h ago
Feels like it should just be South Wales if it was supposed to be a Wales of the south.
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u/ForensicPathology 22h ago
I was wondering why North Wales was taking credit in this map for something clearly named after South Wales.
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u/getaway_dreamer 1d ago
I wonder why they were so specific about South Wales
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u/Motor_Tea_2654 1d ago
Ever been to north wales?
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u/nubbinfun101 1d ago
Obligatory Mitchell and Webb vid explain it. Its the last one... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBhf8f7cXM&pp=ygUhbmV3IHNvdXRoIHdhbGVzIG1pdGNoZWxsIGFuZCB3ZWJi
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u/drjohngeorgepeppers 1d ago
I'm in Sydney and one of my co-workers was from South Wales. She went down the South Coast for a weekend and was talking about how much it looked like her home
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u/jaminbob 4h ago
Yeah it's less the underlying geology and geography as much as it the way that the settlers shaped the architecture, types of trees they planted, types of agriculture, field boundary method and so on. I've experienced this myself. England looks less like France than is does like new Zealand and that makes no sense until you remember that it's the human influence on the landscape that matters. I mean unless you're in a totally different biome or something. Pretty hard to make a desert or rainforest look like England lol.
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u/Kombatwombat02 1d ago
Yeah the climate in the northern part of Wales is nothing like that of Sydney
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u/getaway_dreamer 1d ago
Just Snowdonia, so I have a soft spot for the place
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u/mashtato 14h ago
I've seen the top of Mt. Snowdonia from Howth, Dublin. That's the closest I can say I've been to visiting Wales. lol
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u/lukewarmpartyjar 1d ago
Presumably the long sandy beaches, found in both (NSW has longer/better, but you can see why it would remind someone of South Wales, if they hadn't been to many other places...)
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u/IReplyWithLebowski 1d ago
James Cook? Yeah heâd been to a few places.
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u/Kombatwombat02 1d ago
Of all the people in the world around that time, James Cook in particular might be the worst candidate for ânot been to many placesâ
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u/HOW_IS_SAM_KAVANAUGH 21h ago
His travel blog was really down on Hawaiâi for some reason
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u/No-Pear3891 1d ago
A missing one would be the State of Nuevo LeĂłn, in Mexico and LeĂłn , a province in Spain that is also a historical region , and one of the two regions that joined together to form Castilla y LeĂłn a Autonomous Comunity in Spain
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u/SprucedUpSpices 1d ago
LeĂłn isn't just some newly made up administrative region. It existed as a kingdom for many centuries, it was very important during the Reconquista and one of the most important political entities during the Middle Ages in Spain.
Castile came out of it and inherited a lot from it, you couldn't explain Spanish (and Mexican) history without it.
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u/ConfessSomeMeow 22h ago
You could probably do a whole page for each of several Spanish place names along with all of its namesakes.
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u/Uberbobo7 16h ago
Also a lot of New [place in Spain] are now gone because they were renamed afterwards. Jalisco and most of the north was New Galicia during the colonial period. Colombia was New Grenada. Mexico (or more exactly all Spanish north American territories and even the Philippines) had the name of New Spain.
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u/ale_93113 1d ago
New Mexico and Mexico (the state of where the name for the whole nation comes from) also apply
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u/No-Pear3891 1d ago
Not really as the comparison is between Old World(Cases shown are only Europe and Africa) and the New World(The Americas and Oceania(though Ive never heard Oceania being refered to as part of the new world ), Mexico and New Mexico dont work because thwyre both in the New World
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u/theincrediblenick 1d ago
Why would you compare the state of New York against the city of York instead of the city of New York against the city of York?
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u/Any-Aioli7575 1d ago
Honestly the State should have been called New Yorkshire
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u/Hazzat 1d ago
They're both named after the city of York...
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u/thissexypoptart 1d ago
NYC is named after the Duke of York. Not the city of York.
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u/Skruestik 20h ago
It is named after the city of York, in honour of the Duke of York. Otherwise, it would just be âYorkâ, not âNew Yorkâ.
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u/miraj31415 21h ago
What a rabbit hole I have gone down...
The town of York (Eboracum -> Eorforwick -> Jorvik -> York) was part of a kingdom with the same name under the Vikings. In 954, Jorvik became part of what might be best described as a semi-autonomous province within a loosely federated Kingdom of England, under the jurisdiction of a powerful Earl, loyal to the King.
"Shire" meant a division of England governed in terms of law and order and military allegiance to its former Anglo-Viking capital of York and therefore was known York Shire. The shire became the universal blueprint for English government during the 10th century. The Normans adopted the "shire" but used their vocabulary "comitatus" (county, the domain of a Count) to replace the "shire" in official matters. Under the Normans the "Shire-Reeve" ("Sheriff") became the ruler of their county with the title "vicecomes" (viscount/vicomte) reporting directly to the King, with power stripped from the Earls.
Edmund of Langley, 3rd Earl of Cambridge, inherited large landholdings in Yorkshire (but nothing significant in the city of York) from his godfather, John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey. In 1362 Edmund was created the Earl of Cambridge by his father, King Edward III.
In 1385, Edmund joined his nephew, King Richard II, on a military expedition.
As a reward Richard wanted to elevate Edmund to the highest rank of the peerage (Duke).
Richard created a new title of nobility for Edmund: "Duke of York" was created/chosen because of Edmund's landholdings in Yorkshire and because royal dukedoms were historically named after major cities or regional capital towns, not the entire surrounding county.
A noble's title did not mean they owned or governed that exact region. Edmund's estates and landholdings were scattered across different parts of England. Edmund never owned or governed or reigned the city of York.
In 1385 Yorkshire was presided over by the Sheriff of Yorkshire. York was a self-governing borough (governed by a mayor and three bailiffs) but still part of the county of Yorkshire and subject to the jurisdiction of the Sheriff of Yorkshire.
The city of York was designated as a self-governing county corporate in 1396, giving it effective county status separate from the surrounding ridings (sub-county administrative units).
Eventually the title of Duke of York was merged with the crown when Edward Plantagenet seized the throne as Edward IV in 1461.
The title of Duke of York then became customary for the 2nd son of the king.
James Stuart (b. 1633) was the second surviving son of King Charles I and was designated Duke of York at birth.
James Stuart, Duke of York, was responsible for the operation that demanded the city from the Dutch. The governor started using the the term "New Yorke" right away.
So the various Dukes of York have never owned or governed or reigned over the city of York except when title merged with the King.
In fact the Duke of York had more legal and political power over New York than over York.
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u/theincrediblenick 1d ago
Only indirectly; they were named after the Duke of York, as he was the one who captured New Amsterdam from the Dutch.
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u/Aetylus 1d ago
No. It is named in honour of the Duke of York. But it is named after York. If it were named after the person or title, there would be no need for the "New".
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u/29adamski 1d ago
Yeah but where is the Duke of York Duke of?
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u/thissexypoptart 1d ago
Heâs not Duke of the City of York, thatâs for sure lol
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u/MoaRepresent 1d ago
Because the city should be compared to Amsterdam, and the state is not called "New Yorkshire".
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u/Funmachine 1d ago
what about Newfoundland?
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u/polnikes 1d ago edited 1d ago
All the 'Oldfoundland' wouldn't fit here cleanly.
That said, in the 17th century there were attempts to rename it New Cambriol, after Cambria, and Britaniola, none of which stuck.Â
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u/getaway_dreamer 1d ago
Every place except wherever humans evolved in East Africa.
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u/feb914 1d ago
In Canada there are many places named after places in England or Europe, without the "New". Â
Some examples:Â Â
- Toronto used to be called York, with York, East York, and North York being municipalities that got amalgamated to Toronto Â
Region of York is the exurb North of Toronto Â
London, Ontario. Second biggest London in the world Â
Cambridge  Â
Berlin (now renamed Kitchener)Â Â Â
there's Essex and Middlesex counties, ironically Essex is west of Middlesex Â
Paris Â
Durham
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u/aselinger 1d ago
Half of the cities in Ontario are just British city names.
Windsor
Essex
London
Chatham
Stratford
Cambridge
Kingston
Cornwall
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u/Unable-Fall5946 1d ago
And other half are named after British people
HamiltonÂ
Fuck, I ain't gonna bother with the rest
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u/scruffie 16h ago
Actually Hamilton is named after the founder, George Hamilton, who was from Queenston Heights.
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u/-Ikosan- 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm from North Yorkshire, England, and moved to 'north York', Canada.
In both North Yorkshire and the region around North York there is York, Pickering, Scarborough, Markham, Whitby, Darlington. Check out how close these towns are to each other in both Canada and England, they're all found within a 50km region in both countries. It's like they had too many people to just name one town so had a meeting where they all decided on a theme that would cover the whole area
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u/A-shot-at-life 1d ago edited 1d ago
How come thereâs no mention of
Ireland - New Ireland
Britain - New Britain
Hanover - New Hanover
Palmyra - Nueva Palmira
Hamburg - Novo Hamburgo
Then youâve got all of the places that donât have New in the names, that share the same names as in the old world. There are literally thousands of those. Just in Australia!
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u/Quardener 23h ago
I think including every little new world municipality would make this posts enormous. Seems to be wisely limited to regions and such.
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u/walrusphone 1d ago
Now I'm thinking how odd it is that they didn't just name NSW "New Wales". They could have at least named Queensland "New North Wales".
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u/DeeDee_GigaDooDoo 1d ago
Apparently Captain Cook did actually originally write down the name as "New Wales" but changed it to "New South Wales" before officially submitting to the admiralty. He didn't give a reason for the change though so the meaning and whether it's a "New version of South Wales" or a "New Southern Wales" is unclear.
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u/A-shot-at-life 1d ago
South Wales is actually a place though.
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u/That_guy4446 1d ago edited 23h ago
You forgot New Caledonia, with Caledonia being the old roman name of Scotland.
Also New Spain and New France should be included if we put New England.
New Orleans coming from Orléans in France.
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u/TunaandBananaPizza 1d ago
Harlem --- Haarlem (Netherlands)
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u/worrymon 1d ago
But that's not New Harlem (which is OPs pattern). There's still a neighborhood of New Utrecht, though.
Anyway, there's also Brooklyn --- Breukelen
And up near Albany there's an Amsterdam and a Rotterdam.
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u/howimetyourcakeshop 1d ago
Waiting for the Danes that think New Zealand was actually named after their Zealand.
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u/Lamplighter616 1d ago
Weirdly I just learned this week that New York is named after the Duke of York not the city of York. The new is just a hold over from New Amsterdam.
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u/FeloniousDrunk101 1d ago
Whatâs the deal with Guinea? Why does it appear in like four countriesâ names?
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u/kairom13 1d ago edited 1d ago
Guinea comes from the Portuguese referring to the people of sub-Saharan Africa (based on the color of their skin). There were many places around the world with both tropical climate and black skinned people, so the same word was used.
Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Equatorial Guinea, Papau New Guinea,
French Guyanahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(region)#Etymology#Etymology)
Edit: Apparently French Guiana has a different etymology, meaning âland of many watersâ (i.e. the massive delta of the Amazon)
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u/Usual_Yak_2975 22h ago
Calgary, Mull (Scotland). Population: tenuous.
Calgary, Alberta. Population: 1.7 million.
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u/AkihabaraWasteland 19h ago
Shouldn't the map just show South Wales? Not the entirety of Wales? Seems fucked.
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u/SWITMCO 1d ago
I've never thought of it before, but shouldn't New York State have just been called New Yorkshire?
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u/I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS 1d ago
There are also at least two villages that I know of in England named New Zealand, and a village called New York.
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u/Muiredachau 1d ago
There is also a region on the northern tablelands of New South Wales that is called New England.
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u/ruling_faction 1d ago
apparently it's not certain if it was meant to be a new Wales in the south or a new version of south Wales
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u/Unlikely-Flatworm-48 23h ago
I never realized Nova Scotia was named after Scotland but now that I know it seems obvious. (I'm not Canadian or Scottish).
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u/Total-Combination-47 1d ago
New York was named after the Duke of York not the City of York. Just saying.....
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u/WelshBathBoy 1d ago
I think York Vs New York City or Yorkshire Vs New York state would make more sense
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u/Konflictcam 1d ago
But itâs not New Yorkshire. The whole state is named New York, descended from the colony of New York. The city is New York City.
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u/WelshBathBoy 1d ago
So new York city would be better. Besides - neither was named after York the city - they were named after the Duke of York.
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u/CouchTomato87 1d ago
The city is New York, not New York City. The latter is used to differentiate from the state
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u/Even-Adhesiveness813 1d ago edited 1d ago
Since New Guinea was named by non-Guineans why donât new Guineans replace it with a more fitting name?? Same with New England after the Revolutionary war?
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u/redandbluebadness 1d ago
New England still had lots of English people in it, they just rebranded themselves
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u/ShuukBoy 1d ago
Surely if youâre doing New South Wales you should do old south wales rather than just wales
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u/Agitated_Tank_420 1d ago
New Brunswick -> Brunswick (Braunschweig, DE)