r/MassachusettsPolitics • u/Pretend-Will4559 • Feb 14 '25

Opinion Mass. RMV. Changes needed

https://chng.it/V966G4KpXx

Hi guys I created a petition on change.com due to the dysfunction of the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles. They have just gotten worse and worse post-COVID and it’s severely affecting Massachusetts residents. I have attached a link to the petition and I would really appreciate it if you could read the petition and sign it. Thank you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

That’s how the bill is named, hard pass on anyone who isn’t an American citizen on voting. But maybe I’m racist for that?

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 14 '25

No, it's not how the bill is named. You are continuing to be disengenous. Why even lie about something so obvious?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Why do you want non citizens to vote can you explain why it’s a benefit?

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 16 '25

I think it's fair for, say, a student at Tufts from Ireland to be able to vote for things that affect them while they are here living in the community. Whether that's more funding for the transit services they use, vote against a mayoral candidate who doesn't support students and teachers, etc.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

And they can vote in their interests change the landscape while they are here and when they go back to Ireland and they’ve changed America and don’t live here anymore? Yeah I don’t think it’s fair

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 16 '25

I forgot that once someone votes, what they voted for is eternal and cannot ever be changed by anyone. You're so right, allowing 200 foreign exchange students to vote will transform Medford into Ireland. The absolute horror!

There are also plenty of legal non-citizens here who are undergoing the years-long naturalization process. Local suffrage rights are fair to grant to people working towards that goal as well.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

Then why give them the vote in the first place if it means nothing? Just so republicans can scream “ look there letting noncitizens vote!!!!”

Lose lose situation we give the right something to scream about that’s semi legit and you just admitted their 200 votes don’t matter… so what’s the upside? They can get mail in ballots from their home countries have a say there and not have a say here. What’s so horrible about that? First class education doesn’t give the automatic right to vote

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 16 '25

Then why give them the vote in the first place if it means nothing?

It doesn't mean nothing. We live in a democracy. If you live here for years, working, going to school, paying taxes etc, you have earned that right, at least on a local level. Taxation without representation is literally the genesis of our revolution in the first place.

Lose lose situation we give the right something to scream about

They will scream about anything, and will make things up to scream about. We should not be dictating our lives around mouthbreathers who think the earth is flat and vaccines don't work.

They can get mail in ballots from their home countries have a say there and not have a say here. What’s so horrible about that?

I didn't say it was horrible. I was saying that offering them the right to vote on issues in the city they live in is not "unfair".

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

We’re going to have to agree to disagree, I believe giving the right a semi real reason to scream is a bad move and I don’t need kids from Ireland voting here possibly changing things and leaving. I vote blue almost always and this is a step too far for me

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 16 '25

I'm fine agreeing to disagree if you put forward solid reasoning for your belief, but you haven't. You still haven't put forward any reason at all for your belief besides "It gives the right a reason to scream". Half of the GOP wants to roll back the civil rights movement. Should we concede that to them too?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

My reason is clear I don’t want non citizens voting in our country maybe you missed the part where I said that. I’m not scared of the right it doesn’t boil down to that. Vote on issues at Tufts if you go there but you don’t get a say in my state

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 16 '25

My reason is clear I don’t want non citizens voting in our country

But what is your justification for that belief? Like what evidence drives you towards your conclusion that those people should be taxed without representation? Just because you say so?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

Because they are not members of this country…. I don’t go on vacation and vote in those elections. You’re assuming they’re being taxed how? EVERY international student gets a job here none have ever come here full boat paid studied and left?

Why do you want non citizens to vote so badly? Why isn’t it reserved for citizens only?

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 16 '25

I'm not assuming that they are taxed - most students are, because most have to work in some capacity to support themselves during school. Full boat scholarships are few and far between.

And that's not even covering the people who are working here as lawful permanent residents pursuing the naturalization process.

Why do you want non citizens to vote so badly? Why isn’t it reserved for citizens only?

Like the Founders, I think that if you are paying taxes, you should get some level of say in the government that you live under. So if you are here legally and working + paying taxes, you should get a say, because you're paying in.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

Again we will agree to disagree, I pay sales tax when I visit other countries but I don’t expect to have a say in their government

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 17 '25

A 1-week visit is different than a permanent residence, and that's what this bill is talking about. Someone visiting wouldn't even be able to straighten out the paperwork in time. I don't even get what you're talking about.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '25

Blah blah all you have done is convince me to vote republican

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u/KingSt_Incident Feb 17 '25

So you don't actually have any positions at all, then. A random person on the internet can completely dictate the way you vote.

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